Gay Marriage

[Benno]

"People are people. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they will impose it on their adopted children."

Current addoption standards typically disqualify singles from adoption on the grounds they lack a either a male or female parental role model. This also includes extended-non married family units, such women living with her aunt. By default, a child raised in a homosexual home would lack either a male or female roll model.

[THE ENFORCER]

"People are people. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean that they will impose it on their adopted children."

Current addoption standards typically disqualify singles from adoption on the grounds they lack a either a male or female parental role model. This also includes extended-non married family units, such women living with her aunt. By default, a child raised in a homosexual home would lack either a male or female roll model.

excatly, isnt that enough of a reason.

[THE ENFORCER]

First of all, this wasn't directed at you, but since you feel the need to intervene:

Your logic is very poor. What added pressure are you talking about? Other kids teasing the kid that their parents are gay? Most kids don't even grasp the concept of homosexual versus heterosexual until at least junior high school. You state that "some may handle it but I dont think many will." A fallacy if I ever saw one. Kids suffer from peer pressure all the time. It's called growing up. It will happen in one form or another: kids pick on someone for his intelligence, his stupidity, his obesity, his infirmity, his habits: you name it, it's an object of ridicule. "Therefore i dont think it be allowed for children to suffer." Look- you may think that children are suffering with gay parents, but did you even READ my quote? Studies have proven time and time again that children raised by gay parents overall grow up to be socially well-adjusted. It's a fact, and your petty logic can't circumvent that.

well all i know is that if i had a son/daughter i wouldnt want him/her to be raised by homosexual parents if a perfectly suitable hetrosexual parents are available. Typically because its important to have predominant male and female role models in growing up and it will be subject to more than usual teasing by his/her peers and may unconsciously by being surrounded by gays all the time make him unfairly gay.Im not saying that these a founded but all im saying is that it is a possibilty that this might happen.Therefore not worth the risk.

And if you think differently well then why dont you subject your children later on to experiments with raising homosexual parents, but i dont want to take the risk, a human life is too important to screw up!

[Troll King]

Enforcer: Try to argue without directly insulting someone just because they happen to disagree with you. No matter how much merit your arguments may have, calling people idiots or asking them if they even read earlier posts is no way to get people to agree with you.

It's getting to the point where people who actually agreed with you on the original topic are starting to argue against you.

[THE ENFORCER]

Enforcer: Try to argue without directly insulting someone just because they happen to disagree with you. No matter how much merit your arguments may have, calling people idiots or asking them if they even read earlier posts is no way to get people to agree with you.

It's getting to the point where people who actually agreed with you on the original topic are starting to argue against you.

I only called verthanti an idiot because the answer was already provided in previous posts therefore i had to repeat myself which i found annoying, as you noticed i didnt call fit of rage an idiot because he provided a logical argument.

The reason why people who orginally agreed with me are against me is because we are getting down to specifics where everyone has a unquietake on the matter. :eek:

[THE ENFORCER]

kids pick on someone for his intelligence, his stupidity, his obesity, his infirmity, his habits: you name it, it's an object of ridicule.

Excatly why add another problem to a kids life which this kind of ridcule continues in his/her adult life as well!

[Torn Wing]

They should all be put on a seperate island and left alone.

[Sarien]

Untangling Enforcer's web of whatever it is he calls it, is too much for a single post, and with how little he acknowledges anyone outside himself, it would probably be too much for a team of people to do.

I will say though. Enforcer stop calling my blatant disproval of your nonsense "not relavent" in order to try to throw a diversion. It doesn't work. So.. again.. try to tell me this is not relavent or refute it.

Taking that living with gay adopted parents can cause teasing or possibly make a kid gay as being true (I don't believe it is true, but we are supposing for a standard), and taking as true that there will not be enough heterosexual people willing to adopt all the orphaned children of the world.

Which is the better choice?

A) Homeless children, hungry children, in orphanages, around the world where they may receive terrible medical care, maybe die, have their options in life severely limited, or perhaps many terrible things I can't think of?

or:

B) Being adopted by a gay couple that would provide for the child, see to the child's welfare, love the child, and raise the child and help prepare them for a healthy future, with a possible side effect of the kid being teased more than other children his/her age, and/or an increased chance of "turning" gay? (which if it is a choice, it should be that person's adult choice no matter what)

Make a choice then. You say that gay people shouldn't be able to adopt children. Option A lists some of the consequences of that choice. But it doesn't really matter, because you won't choose, you'll sit back and say that it isn't relavent, that I am skewing facts, or twisting your words, when I'm simply asking you to stand by what you say you believe in. I can't believe any compassionate person would truly pick a choice where you are in a sense saying "I'd rather see you dead, than take the chance of you being gay, kid I do not know."

[Azhran]

from my psychology book, Psychology by David G. Myers, Ph.D. Psychology at the University of Michigan, quote:

Studies have proven time and time again that children raised in homosexual environments turn out to be socially well-adjusted, intelligent, and mostly straight, directly proportional to the human population that is homosexual.

Children raised by gay parents DON'T have an increased chance of "becoming" gay

[bloodzombie]

He is talking traditionally which in a traditional sense hetro's marry and have kids

traditionaly heteros can have kids, sure, but according to the logic there, if they can't, there's no point in them being married, since getting married is all about reproduction, so we should probably test everyone, and if they're sterile, they don't get the tax benefits of being married.

[THE ENFORCER]

Untangling Enforcer's web of whatever it is he calls it, is too much for a single post, and with how little he acknowledges anyone outside himself, it would probably be too much for a team of people to do.

I will say though. Enforcer stop calling my blatant disproval of your nonsense "not relavent" in order to try to throw a diversion. It doesn't work. So.. again.. try to tell me this is not relavent or refute it.

Taking that living with gay adopted parents can cause teasing or possibly make a kid gay as being true (I don't believe it is true, but we are supposing for a standard), and taking as true that there will not be enough heterosexual people willing to adopt all the orphaned children of the world.

Which is the better choice?

A) Homeless children, hungry children, in orphanages, around the world where they may receive terrible medical care, maybe die, have their options in life severely limited, or perhaps many terrible things I can't think of?

or:

B) Being adopted by a gay couple that would provide for the child, see to the child's welfare, love the child, and raise the child and help prepare them for a healthy future, with a possible side effect of the kid being teased more than other children his/her age, and/or an increased chance of "turning" gay? (which if it is a choice, it should be that person's adult choice no matter what)

Make a choice then. You say that gay people shouldn't be able to adopt children. Option A lists some of the consequences of that choice. But it doesn't really matter, because you won't choose, you'll sit back and say that it isn't relavent, that I am skewing facts, or twisting your words, when I'm simply asking you to stand by what you say you believe in. I can't believe any compassionate person would truly pick a choice where you are in a sense saying "I'd rather see you dead, than take the chance of you being gay, kid I do not know."

I knew someone would state that argument... the fact is and im working on the assumption that there are many hetrosexual parents able and willing to adopt. Therefore it comes down to a choice between hetro or homo i choose hetro. However i think we would have serious problems in the world if it comes down to the fact that soo many children in the world would die if not having adopted parents and the fact that the government cant handle it anymore, i doubt allowing homosexual's to adopt will solve the problem, i think the problem will be far worse. However if in the rare case that the only solution to children not dying is allowing homosexuals to adopt (which is far fetched) my whole argument has been based on the santity of life so itll be hypocrytical for me to not allow homosexuals to adopt in that scenario, but in this world that scenario doesnt exist.

[THE ENFORCER]

traditionaly heteros can have kids, sure, but according to the logic there, if they can't, there's no point in them being married, since getting married is all about reproduction, so we should probably test everyone, and if they're sterile, they don't get the tax benefits of being married.

I only mentioned that point as a side note for interest sake, at an economic point of view, it doesnt having anything to do with the topic in hand. But if you want to take it further, testing every married couple isnt economically feasible therefore it pays the govt to just give the tax breaks anyway.

[THE ENFORCER]

Children raised by gay parents DON'T have an increased chance of "becoming" gay

If you want to believe that, but there are also other issues on hand which i have stated in prior posts.

[sTuPiD-gErBiL]

you should really try sleeping sometime. then, once you master that, you can try leaving the house. be careful of that giant, bright yellow ball in the sky. it's called "the sun" and will burn your retinas if you stare at it too long.

[THE ENFORCER]

you should really try sleeping sometime. then, once you master that, you can try leaving the house. be careful of that giant, bright yellow ball in the sky. it's called "the sun" and will burn your retinas if you stare at it too long.

Sleeping sometime? you do realise that even though it says i wrote it at 4:50am thats actually not the time here? There is a thing called time differences all over the world! lol