[MAFIA] AWOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[the_paul]

I don?t disagree with anything you said about how Missa could know anything extra, that part doesn?t make any sense. But at the same time, it?s a big risk if we follow through with the lynch because she could be telling the truth. If we don?t lynch Missa, and we don?t follow her hunch and vote you, then what do we do? I still can?t understand how you and Nissan and exalt have come up in each other?s posts multiple times for a variety of reasons and it?s basically only day 1. Something is off about that

[RoDNeY]

OK, that is a bombshell. unvote Missa. It cannot be

What strikes me as really odd, though, is this immediate reaction that I must be scum. Several players voted for Missa and several more stated that they had strong suspicions she was scum. So out of all of those players, I am clearly the scum trying to lynch her?

Some things to chew on. Does anyone see ANYTHING in the game mechanics that would indicate that IF Missa is the witch, the werewolves would have any idea who blocked their kill? That would be absolute insanity if that were the case. They then just turn around and lynch or nightkill them. So why exactly does me suspecting and voting Missa for the same reason that several others of you did make ME scum?

So this sudden thought that because I voted Missa
and suspected Missa as scum means that I am a werewolf actually strikes me as a huge play by the actual werewolves to throw a townie who voted her under the bus as quickly as possible to avoid a scum lynch. Looking at you field. Also looking at you Rodney.

My vote was on you well before Missa even came into play dont try to group me into people trying to "throw you under the bus as quickly as possible" my vote isnt even on you right now which i know you know because my vote switching was quite the hot topic a few pages back. I based my vote on you under the interpretation that Exalt had some knowledge that you were scum, so i went with it, we had nothing yet. I also even stated how its possible that both you and Exalt are scum and it was his attempt to distance from you and didnt expect it to gain traction and that he backed off of you all of a sudden without information once you started to get pressured and then tried to aim that pressure on me.

The part that is running me the wrong way, other than how Exalt, Missa, and Voth keep popping up in each other?s post, is whether or not Missa somehow has actual information on Voth. She hinted at having extra information but she was not going to share, then followed this up by saying if she dies to look at Voth. Am I making a leap that her hint was that she has intel on voth? Because she also says that she is just getting scummy vibes from him, so which is it? Is it extra intel, or is it a hunch? If it?s a hunch, I feel worse about this. Missa got votes because several of us got a hunch. If we switch to Voth just because of this, we?re effectively trading in several hunches to act on one person?s hunch.

If we lynch Voth and he flips town, do we go for Missa tomorrow (barring new information)? She can always say that it was just a hunch and try to get off the hook for Voth, and if that?s true, we would theoretically have lynched 2 townies.

Theres definitely information missing here, I wonder if lynching Voth is the best way to get it out

Paul brings up a decent point here, Missa claims to have extra information. What kind of extra information could that even possibly be? We have had one phase of actions and so far she says that she used her potion on exalt and that exalt was targeted by werewolves. There is no hint at another mechanic into her role. She wouldn't have additional information on if she used her poison on someone since she used her healing potion instead. Then she says that she is getting a scum vibe from Voth, not that she has extra information on Voth.

One of the biggest things that i have a problem with here is that she went for Voth and not Beast who would have been the appropriate person to put her vote on if she was in fact trying to save her own life. If she in fact did protect exalt and learned that he was targeted there is NO relation to Voth besides Exalts vote on Voth which he revoked. If Exalt had actual results that Voth was scum why the fuck would he un-vote him and not pursue that lynch as hard as he had pursued me in past games practically BEGGING every second he got for me to be lynched?

I am failing to see why Missa is throwing this vote at Voth when she has no proof that he had anything to do with her actions. I am hesitant about this claim it seems too perfect and it seems like something Exalt would help fabricate with her. I am absolutely NOT asking for anyone to counterclaim Witch on Day 1 but lets look at it this way.

If we lynch missa and she flips scum, exalt is next to be lynched as she tried to paint him town with her action. If she and exalt came up with this Exalt is likely under the impression that he will survive a few phases because town would be insane to lynch someone who claimed Witch and best case scenario someone counter claims and they find the real witch on Day 1. This gives us a scum lynch on Missa, one dead townie at night POSSIBLY our own witch and then we lynch exalt and get two scum dead in a row.

If we lynch Missa and she flips town Witch we arguably lose our strongest town role and we can confirm Exalt as Town and follow their posts as leads and begin to pressure the players that jumped quickly onto the Missa bandwagon. This gives us NO direct dead scum and instead gives us two dead town as one would die at night also but gives us 1 confirmed Townie in Exalt who lets be honest would likely be killed the next day so it would leave town with no confirmed townies.

This brings me to my next point, What if Missa is the Mecha? This play for scum would paint her town as witch, paint exalt town and provide them with a double kill night phase. This would be a POWER MOVE for scum

[RoDNeY]

Sorry Rodney I know you already reacted, not sure why I threw your name in there. The point stands though

its all good i was actually in the process of reviewing and typing a big post up

[RoDNeY]

ixt this phase needs to last longer there is too much weighing on this vote right now and we need everyones contribution

[ixt]

As new info has arisen (regardless true or not), I am ok with letting players digest this and decide what to do. Phase extended another day.

[Voth]

I don?t disagree with anything you said about how Missa could know anything extra, that part doesn?t make any sense. But at the same time, it?s a big risk if we follow through with the lynch because she could be telling the truth. If we don?t lynch Missa, and we don?t follow her hunch and vote you, then what do we do? I still can?t understand how you and Nissan and exalt have come up in each other?s posts multiple times for a variety of reasons and it?s basically only day 1. Something is off about that

I think they both have hard ons for me. I think you can rule out us three being scum buddies given that I Ames to lynch her and now she is pushing hard for me.

So what do we do? Well we cannot lynch Missa, that?s for sure, I unvoted her. I do not have any reads besides my previous on Rodney. Field immediately swapping to me was a red flag too after he had suspected Missa and voted her as well too. Sort of at a loss, honestly. Could just vote Beast I guess, but I was trying to avoid that.0

[RoDNeY]

PLOT TWIST THE WHEELS ARE TURNING BOYS

What if Exalt is the Werewolf Shaman and he framed Voth last night? Put his suspicions onto Voth in an attempt to have the Cop investigate Voth and push to lynch him as town? Maybe that was the true motive behind his random throw in vote?

fk man i need you guys to converse with me on this shit im about to head to bed and ill miss all the good action

[Missa]

I didnt vote voth to save myself. I switched off Voth to Beast to save myself since he was the next closest in votes. I think it's stupid to lynch someone that is probably town and just afk at the start. Like why do the werewolves job for them? Why save them the trouble of making the kill? What do we learn from doing that?

I gave the facts and if I am lynched you will see that they are true and you know who to look into from here. Do what you will with the info at hand. I see nobody ballsy enough to try to counterclaim, so keep that in mind, as well.

[field]

Lynch voth, then lynch Rodney

[field]

I didnt vote voth to save myself. I switched off Voth to Beast to save myself since he was the next closest in votes. I think it's stupid to lynch someone that is probably town and just afk at the start. Like why do the werewolves job for them? Why save them the trouble of making the kill? What do we learn from doing that?

I gave the facts and if I am lynched you will see that they are true and you know who to look into from here. Do what you will with the info at hand. I see nobody ballsy enough to try to counterclaim, so keep that in mind, as well.

Why is your vote not on voth?

[field]

Lynch voth, then lynch Rodney

You feel me, Missa?

[Voth]

Field, you are just getting scummier. Completely dismissive of anything I said and focused only on getting me out of the way. Shocker.

I am only doing this because I need people to have time to digest this before the lynch gets out of control and the phase ends...

Here it is. I am a Village x-shot Bodyguard. If I choose to do so, I can target someone at night, and I sprinkle wolfsbane across the entrances to their home, protecting them from werewolf kills.

Why do I do this now? Because you all need to know who I targeted last night: Myself. Why did I protect myself? I was concerned about an immediate scum nightkill on me following last game?s performance. Until Missa claimed witch, I was operating under the assumption that I was targeted and that I prevented my own death.

Unfortunately, no matter how much I rack my brain, this does not help us confirm or refute Missa. There was no kill last night. That does not prove or disprove Missa. If she is the witch, she saved Exalt and I wasted one of my protections. If Missa is scum, then I was targeted and saved myself last night. Knowing this, they would be pushing for a lynch on me today thinking that I may be a PR. Remember this possibility when I flip town. This business of Exalts vote on me Day 1, Missas obsession with me, and now this mystery info that she is dangling that seems virtually impossible to
exist... I do not even know what to say. I am actually at a loss because I cannot even begin to fit these pieces together.

I figured you guys should know what you are getting into when you lynch me and I flip town. This is a fucking shit show, and I do not envy those who are village among you who need to unravel this.

I will not vote Missa or Exalt because it is possible they are both going to soon be confirmed town. For self-preservation alone, I am going to vote Beast. Open to discussion on other possible scum.

[the_paul]

Not going to put a vote on anyone yet, I?ll do it in the morning when I read everything again and hopefully hear from everyone who hasn?t been on since the bombshell

[field]

Alright, kiddos. Here is my roleclaim and I'll get nightkilled for it, but maybe it'll spare one of you.

I am the Witch. I had two potions, one to save a player if they were being killed, and one to kill a player in the night.

On night one, Exalt was targeted by the werewolves (or whatever). I used my potion to save him to prevent the night kill. After my potions are used, I do become a regular vanilla townie, I believe.

I do have some further information that I am not going to share. I will be night killed, I imagine, if not lynched. When I flip town, please remember the name Voth as one to look at. I wanted to vote Voth because I have huge scum vibes from him, and I did not want to lynch beast because he is clearly just an AFK townie. Why lynch our own when we have people like Voth to stare down? This roleclaim may be premature on my part, but as I see it, I only have the grave to go to from here.

For the sake of trying to save myself:

Unvote: Voth
Vote: Beast

Remember: IF I AM TOWN, LOOK HARDER AT VOTH AND CREW.

Alright Missa, you know that information you weren't going to share?
Now's the time to share it.

I am skeptical of voth's claim, but some of what he says makes sense. Not farfetched it's carefully constructed though.
Besides, his posts appear scummy to me, saying obvious things like "without counterclaim we can't be sure if Missa is witch, but witch counterclaim is not the right play" in a bid to appear helpful. Then pointing fingers "looking at you field" "looking at you rodney" even though rodney was skeptical of Missa's claim from the beginning.

[fiS]

Uhh. Go to bed and wake up to this bomb.

Okay for what it matters: I believe Missa's claim more than I do believe Voth's claim.

I have no idea what that possible extra info could be and how serious Exalt initially was when he said he found scum on day 1 and if there is any relation to Missa saving Exalt. But: that very recent post by Voth doesn't feel good to me. It's a roleclaim that wasn't needed and a really safe scum claim, too.

I hate to say it but I don't believe it.
Since this phase got extended I am curious what others think about it. I feel good with my vote on Rodey, but tempted to switch to voth.