Mafia 2020 #3: 14 Stories Above the Sea

[Voth]

This is a different game for sure. I know I've played with Edify long ago but that was literally over a decade ago probably, and now we have Kassius and Hookecho who are wildcards. I do feel that Kassius is a little too good for a newbie so far, but I highly doubt that's from coaching from the scum team unless people are literally pre-writing his posts for him - I bet he has experience in similar games on other platforms and has not yet been forthcoming about it. Either way, they are people I can't really use prior knowledge on and it makes me nervous. Kind of cool, though - this is more what mafia is supposed to be.

What I do want to restate is that somehow the scum
team let one of their most powerful roles get lynched on Day 1. I know it all happened in a short time frame but I can't help but turn to Kthx as a sub and figure if PF wasn't scum (who knew?), that he is.

[the_paul]

Interesting take, Halp. I just triple posted and part of it was a direct statement to you and you didn't acknowledge a word of what I said in the slightest.

Your activity might be hurting you here. Don't come off TOO scummy.

the_paul Just for the record, I don't think it's at all likely but if you flipped scum and sac bunted your own role blocker, I would be shocked but impressed. There are people that I will never trust in this game.

I feel the exact same way about you. And thats why having to admit that you are the person in this game I'm closest to trusting tells me that this game is fucked and that I have nothing of substance on anybody.

[Voth]

I think we need beast to full claim. I find it unlikely that we have an even night RB, bodyguard, and whatever beast is/isn’t claiming.

vote beast

Interesting take, Halp. I just triple posted and part of it was a direct statement to you and you didn't acknowledge a word of what I said in the slightest.

Your activity might be hurting you here. Don't come off TOO scummy.

the_paul Just for the record, I don't think it's at all likely but if you flipped scum and sac bunted your own role blocker, I would be shocked but impressed. There are people that I will never trust in this game.

[Halp]

I think we need beast to full claim. I find it unlikely that we have an even night RB, bodyguard, and whatever beast is/isn’t claiming.

vote beast

[the_paul]

Also I should have listed Ixt and Beast in my suspicious of list, since both have claimed to be protective roles, but our claimed town cop didn't survive the night. Ironic since I stuck my neck out for Beast day 1, but here we are.

[the_paul]

Sorry, I don't remember what you're talking about. Feel free to requote me. This is hard to do on mobile.
I am unclear about a rules thing. Would a successful RB on a VT give a "success" response? Or would it only give a success response from Willby if Halp had some sort of action to perform.

After work I'll look at making a Vehicle-style post concerning the folks here.

ixt Re: the silence, it seemed to me triple-posting and you double-posting as of about 10pm last night (PDT) so since we have til Thursday for a phase shift, I thought it better to see what other people had to say. For the record, I'll build on this more in my bigger post later, I'm also inclined to believe your bodyguard claim. though one thing sticks out to me is that my google of Iocane shows it's an immediate killing poison, but I could be reading into Willby's choice of poison too deeply.

Kassius Yes, you would have been unlucky enough to kill 2 townies at once had the double-lynch gone through. I want to believe in your innocence and new-ness to the game.

In regards to the bolded section, the roleblocker gets a "successful" response if his or her action goes through. So if I were a roleblocker and I target you, I get a successful result even if you were afk for the entire phase and didn't have a role, as long as my action is not blocked. Roleblockers only get a "fail" or whatever if they are roleblocked themselves, or if there's another role like a busdriver or whatever that can fuck things up some other way. I hope that helped, but reading it aloud I almost managed to confuse myself..

[Halp]

Yes you would still get a successful action on a VT. Success just means you successfully targeted someone (ie you weren’t blocked), not that you successfully blocked an action.

[the_paul]

Man, is this how Exalt feels when he doesn't write essays for 5 minutes? I have an immunocompromised wife who has been stuck at home for a month and a half, a full time job, a new house being built, and in the process of selling my current house, and I am still far from being on the bottom rung of activity. Man, I feel for you Exalt. Also, not that there should really be a tier of how important vote order was in a day 1 mafia lynch, but I was the hammer vote on Backwards on day 1. If that lynch went badly, I would have been the one killed for it. It would have been 10000x safer for me to say nothing and stay on Beast. So I've done my part of heavy lifting taking out the scum team, Voth is the only other one still in the game that can say the same.

I don't have any theories at the moment, and I also don't have any information. My role is not very useful, and I've already disclosed my name and flavor profession. I do not believe that the mafia hit was a result of a poison target night 1, because that doesn't make much sense. Usually, poison is used as a way to throw town off balance, because one night is 0 kills and the next night is 2 kills. That didn't happen here, unless theres another killing role out there like a vigi or something. I think one of our alleged protective roles is lying, and I think the other one shit the bed and missed this layup. But if you're looking for some long theory from me where I reason through and flush out the remaining scum members, I don't have anything for you. Voth is the closest thing to trusting I have this game, and that is a terrifying thought that makes me trust him less. I'm very suspicious of Edify, hookerchore, Halp, vehicle, Wark, and kassius off the top of my head. But I don't necessarily have good reasons or even any reasons so far. Kassius, for example, isn't playing like a new player, which tells me he may be being coached. Is that fair? No, he could just be a smart guy playing well. Certainly not enough for me to push for a lynch on him at any rate, but I'm suspicious of him. My point is, I have a lot of gut feelings, I don't have a shred of evidence or logicial reasoning that can lead me to push for a lynch on anybody in good conscience. I'm looking forward to seeing what other people bring to the table, because at least at this rate at least Voth and myself can say we've gotte a hit.

PS Voth I still don't trust you you sneaky fuck.

[Edify]

I just don't get why you'd make up false assertations about what I've done/said during the previous day phase. What is there to gain from a townie to do this? Care to share your reasoning at least?...

Sorry, I don't remember what you're talking about. Feel free to requote me. This is hard to do on mobile.

What I know :

I am odd-night Townie Roleblocker.

On night one, I had a succesful action against Halp.

I am unclear about a rules thing. Would a successful RB on a VT give a "success" response? Or would it only give a success response from Willby if Halp had some sort of action to perform.

After work I'll look at making a Vehicle-style post concerning the folks here.

ixt Re: the silence, it seemed to me triple-posting and you double-posting as of about 10pm last night (PDT) so since we have til Thursday for a phase shift, I thought it better to see what other people had to say. For the record, I'll build on this more in my bigger post later, I'm also inclined to believe your bodyguard claim. though one thing sticks out to me is that my google of Iocane shows it's an immediate killing poison, but I could be reading into Willby's choice of poison too deeply.

Kassius Yes, you would have been unlucky enough to kill 2 townies at once had the double-lynch gone through. I want to believe in your innocence and new-ness to the game.

[Voth]

Oh, and as far as ixt is concerned, he is not off the hook and could easily be scum, but strongman is a possibility.

unvote ixt
vote Kthx

[Voth]

Also, Vehicle saying he somewhat trusts me because of the Day 1 lynch and then voting Paul and voicing his concerns about him is strange, because he was on that too.

There is someone with experience and a brain on the scum team. Could be him too.

[Voth]

Halp Not sure what to say about the name thing. I would have no reason to make up my character name whether I'm scum or town, so maybe something Willby overlooked? Not sure.

The fact that we were able to lynch the scum roleblocker day 1 really made me feel that one of the two inactives were on the scum team. The way PF was acting upon entry to the game made me almost sure the she was the scumbag. Obviously that is not so, and it leaves me with Kthx, who has been contributing more than he does when he plays as a townie lately. To me, that means he's more interested and vested in the game, and he is a scumbag. Beast has also surprisingly reeled in his brain dead nonsense over the last few days since the subs joined, which I do not think is a coincidence. Probably reeled in by an experienced mafia player with a strong personality.

If I had to guess, I'd say the scum team is Kthx, Beast, and one of the new guys or Halp. Halp is always half useless and impossible to read because of it.

[Halp]

Just want to point out that, while many of you are new and don’t have the benefit of knowing how certain people play this game, ixt claiming he was too busy to submit a night action is so unlikely. As demonstrated last night, he posts all night long and is a very lonely boy. Couple that with his flawed logic of claiming because “town is winning” but then in the same post saying we’re fked if we lynch him. Smells like bullshit to me.

Edify could very well be scum, but so far it seems like the only reasoning anyone has for their suspicion of him is that he’s playing “too townie”, which I find a little strange.

kassius is playing pretty townie too. Going back to read and link to old posts isn’t typically something inexperienced players do, especially when they are scum. Although he’s riding upon my testicles pretty aggressively, I don’t think he’s scum.

Don’t have strong reads on anyone else really..

[Halp]

Ixt should have been lynched yesterday for that bs story. Although PFs weird and bad grandstanding was a bit distracting.

Kassius claim makes no sense because he’s been on my nuts the whole game, but his N1 action blocking me should have given me more townie cred than not?

on D1 Voth said his name is Hank, which is only strange because my name is Hank as well. Not sure what to make of that. I’m staff coordinator and vanilla for what it’s worth. Normally I’d think got unlucky and chose the wrong fake name, but so far it doesn’t seem like there’s any reason to need a fake name considering all the dead bad guys so far haven’t had discernible bad guy names. So unless Voth is Zhou Ling, Wuhan Lab Techician, Serial Killer and needed to fake name claim, I’m guessing willby is just being a dick?

I posted this yesterday and seems like nobody read it.

You blocking me on N1 had no effect because I have no night action.

[Kassius]

Halp's still quiet on not coming clean about my claim to have blocked him on night 1. I can't take about the_paul because I don't have any experience of his previous games.

So just purely from this thread, these are my top 2 suspects :

Edify
Halp