Forum Mafia - Shawshank Redemption - Salvation lies within

[Voth]

Gotta agree with scarlet here.. voth raising hell about scarlets plan and wildly just voting for me day 1 for unexplained reasons other than being a fukfuk to me as usual. There are arguements that a double lynch can make sense, especially on days coming up but even D1 it could work out majorly in towns favor if and its a big if we nabbed two scum in one vote.. but even a 1 scum 1 townie would be a win for town. Voth again seeming to crack under scarlets pressure .. Jessup eats popcorn

You're silly Jessup. I said before and I'll say it again - I vote you every single Day 1 for no reason other than tradition and I can't remember the last time my vote stayed on you until the end of the phase. Come on man, I thought you were an A- player and you couldn't even figure that out?!

[Exalt]

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Exalt regarding your traitor!willby narrative, what flips Voth flips would make you certain that willby was a traitor, and what Voth flips would make you doubt that?

If voth flipped a corrupt guard like Byron Hadley or something, I'd start to think I was actually on to something.

[Kassius]

I dont see a problem with scarlett. You guys prefer the stuff from the endgame last game instead? If you dont wanna read theie posts, then dont read them. Vehicle voting just because they dont like reading is bad. Mleo agreeing while throwing out a possibility of joining that lynch to guage the crowd is worse. Scummy worse actually. If we are going to double lynch, beast and mleo are good options.

On the basis of trial by past helpfulness, beast's last 2 games leave a bad taste in the mouth as town. Also, 3 or 4 games in a row now as town for him? I'd be willing to switch off Willby to vote Beast.

[Exalt]

I dont see a problem with scarlett. You guys prefer the stuff from the endgame last game instead? If you dont wanna read theie posts, then dont read them. Vehicle voting just because they dont like reading is bad. Mleo agreeing while throwing out a possibility of joining that lynch to guage the crowd is worse. Scummy worse actually. If we are going to double lynch, beast and mleo are good options.

[Exalt]

UNVOTE: WILLBY

VOTE: BEAST

[Kassius]

I'm just giving the last game as an example because we were all in it.
Every game is a valid example though. Even if you make multiple mislynches in a row (e.g. because some players are literally 0% active and won't post the entire game), it's better to get them out of the way first than to do it on later days.
Compare using a second lynch on an inactive player like that to them being modkilled with 1 lynch per phase. Obviously the modkill is better than wasting the lynch on an inactive (probably town) player. Well, the second lynch does the same thing.
Go ahead, give me your hypothetical where it's not better to lynch twice.

regarding tiger kind D1:
Last game, we lynched town D1 because 3 mafscum, the cult leader, a serial killer, and one inactive townie who had a vote left over from their first post in the game voted scarlet. (5 scum 1 inactive - essentially no town)
Literally every townie other than poopcat (inactive) and partyfalcon was voting for a scum at the end of that phase.
Literally every scum other than kassius was voting scarlet
Only one scum (Kassius) didn't have a vote on them. Only one town (backwards) other than scarlet had a vote on them.

Yes, there were a fair number of scum in that game. Doesn't change the fact it's possible to find scum D1 without rolepowers or vote lists or any dumb shit like that.

Telling town not to lynch as many times as they can and that it's fine if they don't commit to a real motivated D1 lynch is how you end up letting scum control the narrative.
If you're town, find someone you want to kill and vote them.

regarding d2:
Voth and willby had already been fingered by half the town (and half the third parties) as likely scum on D1. We didn't need a powerrole to suggest that.

At least I did something right last game, then.

[scarlet]

I'm just giving the last game as an example because we were all in it.
Every game is a valid example though. Even if you make multiple mislynches in a row (e.g. because some players are literally 0% active and won't post the entire game), it's better to get them out of the way first than to do it on later days.
Compare using a second lynch on an inactive player like that to them being modkilled with 1 lynch per phase. Obviously the modkill is better than wasting the lynch on an inactive (probably town) player. Well, the second lynch does the same thing.
Go ahead, give me your hypothetical where it's not better to lynch twice.

regarding tiger kind D1:
Last game, we lynched town D1 because 3 mafscum, the cult leader, a serial killer, and one inactive townie who had a vote left over from their first post in the game voted scarlet. (5 scum 1 inactive - essentially no town)
Literally every townie other than poopcat (inactive) and partyfalcon was voting for a scum at the end of that phase.
Literally every scum other than kassius was voting scarlet
Only one scum (Kassius) didn't have a vote on them. Only one town (backwards) other than scarlet had a vote on them.

Yes, there were a fair number of scum in that game. Doesn't change the fact it's possible to find scum D1 without rolepowers or vote lists or any dumb shit like that.

Telling town not to lynch as many times as they can and that it's fine if they don't commit to a real motivated D1 lynch is how you end up letting scum control the narrative.
If you're town, find someone you want to kill and vote them.

regarding d2:
Voth and willby had already been fingered by half the town (and half the third parties) as likely scum on D1. We didn't need a powerrole to suggest that.

[Jessup]

No. Lunching two people on day one is a terrible idea. Why? Because were stabbing in the dark.

Know why we lynched town D1 last game? Because town had NO information.

Know why town was so successful the following night? Because they gained information from TP. The Willby/Voth vote — would have been a good time for a double lynch.

If we on our random no information hunches kill two town today — then tonight mafia kills another town — thats starting D2 down three town.

There’s only 15 in this. If there’s say 4 mafia and if there’s a cult or anything like that we could be looking at only 8-9 town total. 1/3 of the entire town wiped out because you voted with no information at all and based your conclusions on the last game.

A different game. With different roles. With different mechanics. With different players.

lynching 2 during D1 is asinine.

I disagree M_Leo. Town learned plenty last game D1 between scarlets infighting vs voth and also his early D1 cop claim while also Jessup played her Day Cop/ Day Vigi fake claim to a TEE. If nothing else it gets people talking. Scum would like nothing more than town to sit idly by and create no commotion and truly have just random vote into the wind with no Day 1 info. Are you saying Day 1 is useless for info and impossible to find? Asking us to be to bed any discourse and discussion where we can all find some common ground? It is FAR from useless! Hmmmmmmmmmm

[m_leonhard]

No. Lunching two people on day one is a terrible idea. Why? Because were stabbing in the dark.

Know why we lynched town D1 last game? Because town had NO information.

Know why town was so successful the following night? Because they gained information from TP. The Willby/Voth vote — would have been a good time for a double lynch.

If we on our random no information hunches kill two town today — then tonight mafia kills another town — thats starting D2 down three town.

There’s only 15 in this. If there’s say 4 mafia and if there’s a cult or anything like that we could be looking at only 8-9 town total. 1/3 of the entire town wiped out because you voted with no information at all and based your conclusions on the last game.

A different game. With different roles. With different mechanics. With different players.

lynching 2 during D1 is asinine.

[Sherlock Holmes]

I've yet to form an opinion on those players, but I'd support a Double Lynch.

[Jessup]

What's this obsession with wasting your D1 vote?
If you think I'm scum then lynch me.
If you don't think I'm scum then lynch someone else.

Stop signing up for mafia games if you don't want to read or think about them.

Gotta agree with scarlet here.. voth raising hell about scarlets plan and wildly just voting for me day 1 for unexplained reasons other than being a fukfuk to me as usual. There are arguements that a double lynch can make sense, especially on days coming up but even D1 it could work out majorly in towns favor if and its a big if we nabbed two scum in one vote.. but even a 1 scum 1 townie would be a win for town. Voth again seeming to crack under scarlets pressure .. Jessup eats popcorn

[scarlet]

What's this obsession with wasting your D1 vote?
If you think I'm scum then lynch me.
If you don't think I'm scum then lynch someone else.

Stop signing up for mafia games if you don't want to read or think about them.

[m_leonhard]

Ya know...I think I've found a compromise position that we might be able to get behind: if I swap my vote over to scarlet, he gets his double lynch day one and we don't have to read all of this rambling nonsense the rest of the game.

[scarlet]

power role or voting record*

[scarlet]

Sure kid.
You could also lynch two people you think are likely scum D1, and then kill more scum on average than would have died D/N1, which would otherwise be zero.
I love how you didn't address any point, just real nice.

Notice how in the previous game, without any role power of voting records to go off, 4/5 of the players that were potential lynch candidates on day 1 (scarlet, voth, vehicle, kthx, willby) were scum?
Are you telling me that lynching just scarlet would have been better than lynching scarlet and one of those 4 scum players?

Oh, but if we go all the way and play like people who aren't insane, we could lynch two players we think are scum and not subscribe to buzzwords like 'information lynches'. Then we could cross scarlet (and maybe kthx) off that list, and have lynched two players out of:
Voth (sk), vehicle (scum), willby (scum), kthx (cult)

But, no, town should never lynch two people D1 because D1 lynches are magically guaranteed to never hit scum, and are infact less likely to hit scum than the actual scumkill!

eat my ass