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[Voth]

Scarlet's Mafia for Dummies Guide

1. Blindly lynch two people on Day 1. Learn their roles and alignment.

2. Ouch - that was statistically likely two townies. But check out all the really awesome information we got from it: we lynched two townies and now we know their role and alignment! And now the bandwagons on each of those players don't mean dick because the scum team probably hid a few players on each wagon (not that voting patterns matter at all, the only useful stuff we learn from a lynch is role and alignment).

3. Rinse and repeat Day 2. Don't use those useless voting patterns to scumhunt Day 2. Even if you wanted to try, the fact that we lynched two townies makes the patterns fucking useless anyway.

4. Continue said pattern until you finally get lucky and lynch scum. Hope that you haven't sacrificed too many townies thus far so that you still have the necessary votes to continue to randomly lynch as many people as possible.



Thanks but... no thanks. It's not that I don't encourage everyone to play their own way - it's just that your way is fucking stupid as hell.

[scarlet]

what flips voth flips flying vothicle
I didn't notice that willby's post about voth and jails was separate to the rolecall. (hah, get it)
Beast why's willby explicitly mentioning voth so early if they're on the same team? Since you seem to actually believe in scum!willby, do you think they're in the same chat or is willby as independent role like traitor more realistic to you?
the_paul field Vehicle Zeebu PartyFalcon Kassius Halp Sherlock Holmes m_leonhard
Thoughts on any of: Exalt/Willby, Voth, Double Lynches? Pinging you just since you're inactive (to vary degrees).

[Jessup]

Maybe is can get this correct my third try lol. Sorry. not at all in my best form today.. kids don't drink to excess.


Current Vote Count-


Willby 4- Kassius,M_leo, Exalt,Beast


Scarlet 2- field,Vehicle


Jessup 2- Sherlock Holmes, Voth


Zeebu 1- Party Falcon


Beast 1- Willby


Voth 1- Scarlet

[Beast]

Not voting scarlet just to tie it. I dont see it. Vothicle strikes again?

Regardless of what you think about other players, if you dont think this



Is either the scummiest or the stupidest crap ever, then prepare to watch the slow, disappointing fuse burning ahead of your favorite fireworks not going off just like last game. Exalt is fishing, and he seems to have caught one? Too bad these plays only attract people of a below a certain IQ threshold.

luckily, exalt has higher i.q then you or I, and based on previous games, you always come across as scummy.

and with that being said scum team is probably you, voth, and scarlett this go around lol... still waiting on a few people to vote, and analyze this situation, but for now my place holder vote is you, as it makes the most logical sense.

[scarlet]

I just love hearing people say phrases like "lynch for information" like that's coherent or even a good idea if it was. Here's where the lynches were last game
D1: town two obvscum (one scum 1 sk), a soft scum (willby), a soft third party (kthx, cult), yet lynch was town outside of these players
D2: Two non-town killers (scum and the sk) found by watcher who crossed, lynch was on the scum out of these
N2: vig shot the sk after claim was proved false
D3: scum that was hunted into the open D1 failed to give a good account of themselves and was lynched
N3: cult leader (still acting like third party to this point) shot by vig
D4+: the majority of players with a >70IQ were dead so it was a shitshow that's neither here nor there
Notice that besides maybe D4 none of this had to do with the D1 lynch, which wasn't on a player many people were actually convinced was scum?
The lynch kills people. That's what it does and that's all it does. Kill the people you want dead. Kill the people you're less certain you want dead later.

Anyone who thinks I'm advocating for a double lynch because I'm scum can go read the singups for Tiger King where I advocate it, then Tiger King where I advocate a double lynch without having even read that it's not possible (as town). Or, they could give even one good reason why town should not use the kills it has and just hand the only thing which impacts anyone's wincon (kills) entirely over to the hands of the scum.
I've yet to receive even one argument against double lynching though. I've had some players say 'I guess you might be right' and I've had people like Voth just throw shade at me randomly without any actual reasoning behind it, but that's it.

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Everyone arguing against the d1 double lynch, but I'm going to try a different path. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
A double lynch doesnt give us twice as much info day 2 as a single lynch does. The argument in favor of a D1 lynch, in general, is that the information gained from the lynch, which presumably kills a townie.

You're wrong.
A double lynch gives you exactly twice as much info day 2 as a single lynch does, because it tells you two player's roles and alignments.
The argument in favor of a D1 lynch has nothing to do with information. It makes a player who might be scum dead. There is literally no other way to win the game as town than this. That's why you lynch in every case where doing so doesn't cost you a better lynch (e.g. mylo vs. lylo).

Not voting scarlet just to tie it. I dont see it.

Can you rephrase this? Are you saying that you townread me? If no, why say anything? If you think that I'm scummy, surely you should be voting me because having a player you think might be scum die as well as you would be better than just dying fruitlessly.

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Jessup I'm voting Voth, voth isn't voting me
Also, my vote is a petty revenge vote from last game because what else am I gonna do with the third post in the game than vote randomly.
willby's scumclaim post was some dumb gambit shit like you'd expect, so it's neither here nor there. He seems the type of person to still do that kind of thing as scum so I'll not look as favorably on him for it as I would a worse player, but sure whatever.
Vehicle's not doing anything wrong besides claiming that there's nothing useful to be done D1. I've seen a lot of players here claim that without a hint of irony though so I'm fully prepared to believe he actually thinks that's true. Also, he's wrong that I add a lot to the number of pages. I add plenty to the length of each page I'm on, but I don't actually have that many posts.
Voth is giving me a run for my money in the competition of who can be a bigger histrionic bitch, but the fact that he continues to respond to phantasmal narratives and act like the literal quotes of his posts aren't related to what he said is amazing. Well, he's put his foot in it this time so at least I have something concrete to go him for.
Halp planning on joining the game during D1?

So is your bullshit explanation for why it's a good idea. I am definitely in the camp of making sure we lynch on D1, but a double lynch? Fascinating stuff. Any good scum team would take town to the cleaners if the idea is to go ahead and lynch two people day 1.

Voth since you're such a pro legit expert scum player, why don't you go ahead and explain this to poor little me? Why, exactly, will doublelynching be bad for town? If you could also kill me as well as whatever your primary lynch target (or you got a daykill as well as the chance to lynch me if I'm your primary target), why wouldn't you do that?
Or, why not kill beast or jessup or an inactive for free, as well as getting an actual lynch? There are plenty of good ways to use a free kill. Why would you give that up?

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Exalt regarding your traitor!willby narrative, what flips Voth flips would make you certain that willby was a traitor, and what Voth flips would make you doubt that?

[Jessup]

Correction.. sorry voth though why vote for me fukfuk?

Current Vote Count-

Willby 4- Kassius,M_leo, Exalt,Beast

Scarlet 2- field,Vehicle

Jessup 2- Sherlock Holmes, Voth

Zeebu 1- Party Falcon

Beast 1- Willby

[Voth]

Not voting scarlet just to tie it. I dont see it. Vothicle strikes again?

Regardless of what you think about other players, if you dont think this



Is either the scummiest or the stupidest crap ever, then prepare to watch the slow, disappointing fuse burning ahead of your favorite fireworks not going off just like last game. Exalt is fishing, and he seems to have caught one? Too bad these plays only attract people of a below a certain IQ threshold.

Yeah, I don't know though, lynching Beast really doesn't help us learn anything because it's easy to point to him being the lowest common denominator as the reasoning for the vote and subsequently scum are able to brush it off.

Then again, his presence in the game makes me wonder why... just WHY OH WHY...

[Voth]

Current Vote Count-

Willby 4- Kassius,M_leo, Exalt,Beast

Scarlet 3- Voth,field,Vehicle

Jessup 1- Sherlock Holmes

Zeebu 1- Party Falcon

Beast1- Willby

I don't have a vote on Scarlet unless I was wasted as hell and changed it off of you, Jessup.

[WillBy]

Not voting scarlet just to tie it. I dont see it. Vothicle strikes again?

Regardless of what you think about other players, if you dont think this

VOTE WILLBY

guy seems suspicious atm, and I trust exalt who is the real legend.

Is either the scummiest or the stupidest crap ever, then prepare to watch the slow, disappointing fuse burning ahead of your favorite fireworks not going off just like last game. Exalt is fishing, and he seems to have caught one? Too bad these plays only attract people of a below a certain IQ threshold.

[Jessup]

Current Vote Count-

Willby 4- Kassius,M_leo, Exalt,Beast

Scarlet 3- Voth,field,Vehicle

Jessup 1- Sherlock Holmes

Zeebu 1- Party Falcon

Beast1- Willby

[Vehicle]

So I'm assuming Exalt was joking? There's no way Willby would half-openly say he was a goon. Not D1, not D2, not any day.My guess is he threw it out there to see who would bite, and no one di d .I would also be willing to be that if Willby does have some kind of power role, he definitely included it in that writeup.

The Voth/Scarlet love affair lasted all of one page. I thought it was going to be the start of something beautiful. I'm assuming phase change will come tomorrow evening so for now I'm leaving my vote on Scarlet.

I am 100 percent open to changing my vote if some new information comes along. But if we collectively have nothing to go on (reminder, it's D1), we should set aside our usual D1 grudge votes and vote to kill Scarlet. The formatting of her posts, the constant bombardment of nonsensical questions, the barrage of posts in general. Maybe it's petty, maybe it's lazy, but the one or two day phases she survived the last game gave me PTSD for walls of text with horizontal rules and I just don't want to go through it again.

[kthx]

WTF I was so damn bleary eyed and hung over when I read thru comments I thought scarlet was after me somehow when he never casted a vote on me when I thought he did. He went after voth which is always a good move. Apologies scarlet though I still think a double lynch isn't a good idea day 1. Please continue on smashing Voth was all furiousity.

Unvote Scarlet

PS Why is Nuke the Yanks posting and voting lol when not even playing...that is really confusing to the game and needs to be nipped in the bud by kthx ASAP

If he keeps doing it I'll put a stop to it.

[Jessup]

WTF I was so damn bleary eyed and hung over when I read thru comments I thought scarlet was after me somehow when he never casted a vote on me when I thought he did. He went after voth which is always a good move. Apologies scarlet though I still think a double lynch isn't a good idea day 1. Please continue on smashing Voth was all furiousity.

Unvote Scarlet

PS Why is Nuke the Yanks posting and voting lol when not even playing...that is really confusing to the game and needs to be nipped in the bud by kthx ASAP

[Voth]

I don’t like it when Voth gets defensive, usually a scum tell. But he has a point about Scarlet.

I like when Exalt scum hunts, though I think he’s off the mark this time. WillBy’s explanation makes sense.

Why is Paul acting as WillBy’s lawyer? Easy way to say a lot of nothing.

Scarlet you are pushing a double lynch on d1 using math and logic we’ve all read a hundred times. It’s also an easy tactic for scum to use to act as if they’re playing pro-town. If you’re calling for a double lynch, who are you going to lynch? Unvote: WillBy vote: Scarlet I think you scum mahn.

PS Jessup is now a tw mafia legend? Wtf happened in my absence?

I get what you're saying about me getting defensive, but this guy has been all over my dick since last game. It's a never ending spiral of word twisting and flat out lying to push a made up narrative with this guy. I was shocked that he was town last game because he plays so utterly anti-town. And here we are again with the same stuff starting up. Oh well.

Beyond that, agreed with the double lynch being a horrendous idea. As I said before, any scum team with someone with half a brain on it will likely take town to the cleaners on Day 1 if we all sit back and act like a double lynch D1 is a good idea. Scarlet, remember the whole point of the game? We are an uninformed majority and scum team is the informed minority - meaning they get to do super unfair stuff like scheme and work together to get desired results. We don't have the same luxury... and we certainly don't have shit to go off Day 1 to justify hanging two bodies right off the bat.

[WillBy]

I don’t like it when Voth gets defensive, usually a scum tell. But he has a point about Scarlet.

I like when Exalt scum hunts, though I think he’s off the mark this time. WillBy’s explanation makes sense.

Why is Paul acting as WillBy’s lawyer? Easy way to say a lot of nothing.

Scarlet you are pushing a double lynch on d1 using math and logic we’ve all read a hundred times. It’s also an easy tactic for scum to use to act as if they’re playing pro-town. If you’re calling for a double lynch, who are you going to lynch? Unvote: WillBy vote: Scarlet I think you scum mahn.

PS Jessup is now a tw mafia legend? Wtf happened in my absence?

Not sure about Voth vs scarlet. No substance happening there, just dick measuring. But I think they're using different units.

Exalt hasnt been on to reply. I appreciate your understanding.

Hes lawyering without my request. Also I'll take a page out of zeebu book of dick jokes- pro-bono. Theres something there.

Everyone arguing against the d1 double lynch, but I'm going to try a different path. Please tell me if I'm wrong.
A double lynch doesnt give us twice as much info day 2 as a single lynch does. The argument in favor of a D1 lynch, in general, is that the information gained from the lynch, which presumably kills a townie. I dont think the same holds true for a double lynch. It's too easy for scum (and others) to hide when you arent forced to be committal. People already dismiss the first couple votes on each lynch, it would be worse if we had a double lynch on the board. Finally, at best we could make a 7-7-1 lynch tie. I feel like the mafia could too easily influence this. I suppose that's true in any other D1 lynch. We didnt let scum get lynched D1 last game, though D1 was all sorts of goofy...

Jessup is a self declared mafia legend, because nobody would lynch a mod confirmed townie.