[Mafia]The Chopping Block

[orangeandblack5]

technically paul didn't even vote voth which is giving me some hesitation but I've been on the "Jessup would definitely bus Voth" train for ages

[Vehicle]

Like I said Paul is the one thing that scares me. He could be godfather flying under the radar.

I'm fine with making jessup claim.

I don't know why I "know" you're not scum exalt. Like aside from the Beast thing you haven't done anything to contribute to town discourse.

also, the only reason you'r voting jessup is because she's voting you. What else makes her scum toscum?

I dunno man. I'm not saying I'm never switching off it you but I am saying none of this has convinced me.

[the_paul]

the_paul exalt didn't vote on D1. So either he forgot about the game or by the time he showed up it was 3 on voth and 1 on everyone else so not trying to distract from Voth at a point where he's unlikely to survive the day may have been a risk calculation.

My biggest fear is a 2-man mafia with LF as godfather. The death notes do seem to imply the same person is mudereing every night. That would mean they either keep sending the same guy or there is only one left.

I didn't realize Exalt didn't even vote day 1. That eases my only concern about the vote today, because I couldn't figure out how a scum team of Exalt and Voth would allow one of them to get lynched day 1. That concern is gone now.

Exalt, I didn't vote Voth day 1. I realize I have a history of bussing teammates when scum, but that was 1 time by accident and I felt awful about it. Voth did his on purpose, I didn't. I also don't think Jessup would bus Voth day 1 if they were scum buddies. I know she hates Voth, but Jessup tries to win every game she plays I feel like. I could be totally off here, my reads have been dogshit this game, but this would seem out of her character to me.

[WillBy]

Vote Count:
Exalt - 3 (Vehicle, The_Paul, Jessup)
Jessup - 2 (OB5, Exalt)

Estimated Phase Change: noon CST, tomorrow (~16 hours from now)

[orangeandblack5]

Like I said Paul is the one thing that scares me. He could be godfather flying under the radar.

I'm fine with making jessup claim.

I don't know why I "know" you're not scum exalt. Like aside from the Beast thing you haven't done anything to contribute to town discourse.

also, the only reason you'r voting jessup is because she's voting you. What else makes her scum toscum?

I dunno man. I'm not saying I'm never switching off it you but I am saying none of this has convinced me.

I know I'm not Exalt here but I still feel like I've found both of you and I'll be damned if I'm run over by the scum because I haven't put in an effort to reach out

look

I have literally no idea how Exalt usually plays or whatever and I don't know if him missing large chunks of the game is something he usually does as scum, but I really don't feel like I need to here - the lines are pretty clear cut imo

First off, I don't think Exalt missing the start of the game is at all alignment-indicative - he did it just last game when I was hosting, and was town there, so if that's a point of concern it really shouldn't be.

Secondarily, and I mentioned this earlier, I'm pretty sure he's a real tracker. Claiming LF didn't visit anybody before any vanilla townies had flipped is SUPER risky - at the time, the scum probably thought, based on the fact that the flips and claims had all been 1-shot, that everyone was 1-shot. Had LF actually taken any action that night, he'd have just put himself into a 1v1 with somebody the Cop had just greenchecked, which is a risk you never take after losing a partner on Day 1. So there's basically no reason to doubt he's a Tracker, at which point the question becomes "does the Mafia have a 1-Shot Tracker here or is that a town role" and considering Bus Driver is one of the strongest standard roles for scum to have I really don't see much reason that WillBy would give the scum one of the weakest roles they could possibly have. Like, scum Tracker is weaker than Role Cop by a fair amount to begin with, but in a game with only 1-shot roles the scum Tracker can only gain any information after the player they targeted has already acted (and even then only if you happen to target them on the night they move). It's almost entirely useless in this setup, whilst town Tracker could at least see a kill or some other disruptive action going on and makes a lot more sense. I'm not very familiar with what kinds of roles WillBy uses, but a scum Tracker here would really be an asspull while a Town Tracker makes some sense.

But let's say you've seen all of that when I've said it before, it didn't convince you in the past, and it still doesn't now. Beyond that, he came in mid-N1 and started pushing LF, which, although it was certainly dumb, doesn't seem like the natural place for a partner of Voth to push (remember that both illwei and myself were calling him town in the thread, so that's a hell of a hill to climb if you have no cred and are down a partner). Furthermore, he also went after Beast here:

Found scum boys. LF is Voth's partner. Easy game.

If I somehow survive the night, just know you are dying Day 2. This is the way.

Found Scum #3.

There wouldn't be 4 right? That's game then. Where's my participation trophy? It should say "Exalt, He Showed Up"

So, if we think Exalt is scum, he's clearly setting up to try and get both LF and Beast lynched, right? Right.

So then why the fuck would he spend D2 actively clearing both LF and Beast, and end up being the only person to join me in trying to save Beast? If he's scum, he already called his marks on those two - why the hell would you drop that? There's no world in which the cop is lynched completely cleanly here and I don't see any reason scum!Exalt wouldn't have been on that wagon instead of trying to help stop it.

Beast is unfortunately telling the truth, or at least, his claimed result is likely the truth even if he lied about the investigation (doubtful).

I'm the 1 shot tracker. I blew my load on LF night 2. He went nowhere. He didn't even shower after.

So he's off the chopping block. This guillotine needs to hit the real enemy, scum like *checks notes* OrangeBlack and Jeff Bezos.

I'm thinking Vehicle and Jessup are my top two suspects as of now, which Paul being a random gut read that has zero reasoning to it besides pure suspicion.

Vote: Jessup

Truth be told, I don't even have a read on OB5. My vote on him was never meant to be permanent. Beast is a really bad wagon and OB is the only one who called it out. That gives some Townie points imo.

People here know damn well Beast would make this mistake and then double down. It's not out of character in the slightest. Certain people are just using it to their advantage. The biggest offenders seem to be Jessup and Vehicle, both of whom know Beast well enough to think maybe it was a typo or something.

Beast would also be the type to think it's somehow advantageous to not just claim 1 shot cop at the start and add random nonsense to it thinking others might believe it. Trying to understand the depth of Beasts vast intelligence is a futile effort. Just know the answer is 42.

Like, look at how close we were to lynching Jessup over Beast here:

Vote Count:
Beast - 4 (The_Paul, Vehicle, Jessup, LF)
Jessup - 3 (OB5, Beast, Exalt)
The_Paul - 1 (Markmrw)
Exalt - 1 (Squirtle17)

Phase change: ~15 minutes

Beast aka Maria the Gatekeeper skipped town. She was a 1-shot cop.

Begin Night 2

There is literally no good reason for Exalt to risk Jessup going over instead of the Cop if he's scum. Just take the cop lynch you'd been pushing for, or at least don't join a bandwagon that almost saves him. Especially since I'm pretty sure Jessup is independently scum here.

Anyways, I don't see Exalt as the kind of person to simply hide like a coward and pray nobody decides to switch from Mark to him. Given I've also been busy with the holiday season, I think it's exceptionally likely that, regardless of his alignment, Exalt did just genuinely forget about the game while he was being run up against Mark yesterday. Not only that, but his vote on Mark wasn't even intentional self-pres (although, to be clear, I expect town to always self-pres), and was instead following LF's vote under the idea it was information based on night actions. This isn't nearly enough to override everything else he's done all game.

tl;dr - Although he happened to miss the only scum wagon all game by virtue of not knowing the game had started, his actual actions throughout the game have pretty consistently been in such a manner as to side with, further the efforts of, and save confirmed town, and given the scum lost Voth on D1 there's basically no reason scum!Exalt would ever townside this hard here. I know you're biased since he's been pushing you, but like, you're very nearly the only known town he's pushed that he hasn't come around on (and he's even arguably done that by now).

[orangeandblack5]

Now let's talk about Jessup, who I may add I've been trying to lynch since day 3

I feel like the biggest point in her favor is the fact that she was voting Voth on D1, but A from my experience scum rarely go down early completely clean and B she fits the classic unintentional busser mold to a T

I've also said this before but it bears repeating - I don't see any reason to believe Voth and Jessup were actually trying to specifically hardsink each other.

Let's review their actions in the earlygame.

Voth enters the thread with a vote on Jessup, which she reciprocates:

Hi all. There was a certificate issue with forum site yesterday so only posting now. I do this vote for the sake of the town. This person has earned the title The Town Destroyer because no matter what side they are on every game they wind up doing just that.

Vote VOTH

At this point, nobody has more than a single vote on them, and it's very clearly still RVS (random voting stage, if you're unfamiliar with the acronym).

Then Squirtle pops in with a second vote on Voth, and he reacts by swapping to Vehicle:

Hm, I am new to this so I'm gonna vote Voth to tie it up & because he referred to me as "midnight dry anal" once so I hope he gets midnight dry analed out of town tonight by the scum or lynching in the morning.

Let the games begin. xo.

Cute. But you'll be sorry.

Anyway, can we all just take a moment to realize that Vehicle has ignored all jabs at him prior to his one and only post in the thread and instead used it to try to instruct a new player? No elaboration beyond that.

Unvotd Jessup
vote Vehicle

What I think is telling here is how Jessup reacts to this chain of events - she literally doesn't.

Is the certificate issue resolved on site? Yesterday I overrode my spyware blocker to get on site and am wondering perhaps if others are finding the site currently unreachable. Just a heads up.

If she actually wanted Voth gone here, she could have said literally anything at all about Squirtle joining the Voth wagon or Voth changing his vote. Instead, it seems a lot more like she already knows what Voth is going to do, and doesn't need to react to it.

You then joined the Voth wagon yourself:

Yay, this means I get to

unvote Markmrw
and
Vote Voth

Ad-homenim, uncalled for attacks from my mafia godfather will not be tolerated. It is my pleasure to be the third vote putting him in the lead to be lynched.

Vote Count is something like
Voth - 3 (Jessup, Squirtle, Vehicle)
LF - 1 (Markmrw)
Vehicle - 1 (Voth) [WillBy actually forgot to list this vote but I quoted it being placed above]

So at this point Voth is actually in genuine danger of going over. Jessup proceeds to say nothing for the rest of the phase, but when he does flip scum mentions that she was "just going to give Voth time to state his case" when, like, no, you would have done that after Voth swapped his vote from you to Vehicle if you cared.

I was just logging in to make a post to allow Voth to state his case looooool. Glad I wasn't given the chance rofl cause Voth in that role would have been completely bonkers even if it was a 1 shot.. Dunno why I was gonna give him a chance when if the shoe was on the other foot Voth would just say "Fk U Jessup, You suck!!"

RIP The Town Destroyer

So we know mafia has x shots.. and are now one player down .. This is good.. and a nice voting representation that removes serious suspicion for now with a few.

The way I read this interaction is Voth and Jessup crossvoting out of spite and to generate some distance so they aren't as easily linked, but then people hopping onto Voth's wagon and the scum being too scared to try and do anything more than hope it goes away. This is also (as I've said before) in no small part why I am pretty damn sure you're town here - you'd have no reason to be that pivotal third vote on Voth here when you could have landed on literally any town slot instead, and there is no reason for Voth to have pivoted to you after he started gaining momentum if you were both scum when he could have voted, again, literally any town slot instead.

tl;dr - Not all votes on scum are created equal. Jessup's vote on Voth was an RVS vote she never once commented on again despite a massive invitation to do so when Voth unvoted her, and ultimately looks a lot like distancing gone horribly wrong. Contrast with Vehicle, whom Voth clearly tried to self-pres onto and who actually ended up sinking Voth on D1.

[orangeandblack5]

So how does Jessup follow up her D1 "wagon" on Voth?

Well, the first thing she does is shade Beast, who had just claimed a green check on a town,. and also rope in the idea that LF could be Godfather:

Beast goes hard

RIP ILLWEI , I wanted to get to know you Sucks we lose our watcher.

Another 1 shot..except this time for town, is this a pattern??

LF you godfather or innocent?

Beast you lying or truthful? Any other town investigators? If so I suggest you mistrust beast a lil.

There is, quite literally, no good reason for somebody to pursue both of these lines of questioning. There are very few worlds in which a scum outs a clear on somebody D2, regardless of that player's alignment, with even fewer of those worlds occurring after losing a partner on D1. And, if they were partners, then LF being a Godfather or not would be literally irrelevant. As far as I can tell, this is just a way to throw shade on both the greencheck and the cop, both of whom of course ended up flipping town.

Jessup then turns her attention towards also throwing shade on Exalt, who I believe to be town, and spending time talking about the game rather than trying to solve the game:

Using a one shot is usually a big deal to play and should be considered carefully. Beast is normally a cray cray player who I often struggle to follow in logic while exalt is a good player who I usually fear and respect a lil.

Exalt why did you use your 1 shot wildly on night 1 when you were not even posting in the game yet. I don't get it, it seems VERY wild a play for you.

Beast Same question for you minus the wild play part.

I find these 2 either trying to make leading scum moves or just all around being confusing and illogical for town so am currently focusing on them unless otherwise convinced. Of the two the one who stands out the most baffling me is Exalt.

So for now

VOTE EXALT

This is a soft vote from me for the time being so please explain to me why you both did what you did and why you thought it was a good move to waste your one shots so early on N1.

Also for you all focusing on Squirtles HOA VP claim or w/e it was.. I disregarded that as meaning anything because squirt was simply revealing their name and position in our community in the game setup and NOT showing or telling what their power role was or even if they have one. Why are you all assuming it is anything more?? I get they asked for protection but don't we all want that?

Let's also not forget there likely is a 3rd party in this game. Willby loves that shit usually.

Serial killer or a cult or such is very possible. For now though just because I bring it up doesn't mean there but be prepared.

This kind of talking about things other than finding Mafia is much more likely to come from Mafia themselves than from Town, who find it much easier to be genuine when they don't need to put on a facade about looking for Mafia and can instead talk about things in the game they don't need to put effort into. She even keeps this same approach up while pushing Beast, who she basically refuses to actually call "mafia" or "scummy" or some such, instead referring to evil neutrals or the fact that he's "BSing" to back her push.

You a Jester this game or maybe become a tree stump last night? Cult??

I'm leaning towards calling BS that you have another 1 shot and it is a kill shot at that...... and WHY tell every1. You are being very confusing blurting this stuff out.

How long we got before this phase ends? Hope we get all day saturday.

Beast Is this your full on claim? What is your resident name and mention how you fit into our community please.

MAybe an unjester https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Unjester

So are you convinced LF is innocent then or Godfather??

Unvote Exalt (Good enough explanation for now but needs to be crosschecked. I don't fully buy this excuse btw and I still distrust you but good enough for now. )

VOTE BEAST (I don't buy your extra 1 shot kill you just added onto your powers and sort of feel between you, LF and EXALT there is something fishy going on and the vote should narrow between you 3)

Beast Please explain your rational telling everyone you have a 1 shot kill power stacked onto your 1 shot cop you decided to do N1 lol...

News flash: town lie in these kinds of games all the time, for reasons good and bad - but the people who make bad pushes on lying town and don't seem to truly believe they're scum almost always flip red. Especially when it looks like they chose to spend time looking at cool neutral roles on the ms wiki instead of trying to actually solve the town cop they're pushing up for a lynch.

Even after he specifically claims exactly "one shot cop" she still tries to get him lynched off of the back of him making a pretty obvious misstatement (which, if I as an outsider could understand, all y'all damn well had the power to understand).

With a 1 shot kill you said? Cops don't kill people unless they have an extra kill power. (except in usa irl )

Do you have 1 shot investigative (COP) that you depleted on LF AND a shot kill too?? You clearly said that,,, This is why if you are town do NOT lie unless you have a way of not confusing town. I'm not really questionoing your investigative role so much as the 1 shot kill you claimed as an extra power.

I don't know for the life of me why you would claim that sigh unless you wanted to scare mafia from taking you out which at this point being depleted of your cop role makes VERY little sense to me.

If Beast flips town LF and exalt are not off the hook either from my standpoint but hopefully we will have more info coming to us with the apparent 1 shots so far in this game.

That last paragraph is definitely the most damning - first off, if she was truly looking to the investigative roles to guide her hand, then why did she start to push both of the investigative claims the instant they claimed? But what I really get out of this is that Jessup was trying to set up mislynches on Exalt and LF after Beast died, which is quite literally suggesting that we should go from lynching the Cop to lynching the player he greenchecked. I don't know what the standard of play is that somebody who suggests this can avoid getting lynched for three phases and I will have an aneurysm if I lose to this because that's about as blatant as it gets. I know I've said all of this before, it just still makes me mad that this is allowed to exist even though I'm sure part of that is my fault for being so busy and not being able to sit down and write it all out until now.

Anyways, when the thread temperature after Beast flips turns pretty hard towards realizing LF is indeed town, she then immediately drops the push (but not before continuing to spread the idea he could be Godfather, shading Exalt more, who would go on to be one of the two wagons of the day, and victim blaming Beast for good measure).

Unless by some great fortune you are Godfather If town has same luck as Oranges game you will be lol but ya you def seem to be in the clear for now LF.

Exalt is sus tho still. I think starting a train on me was pretty odd but ok..

I gave beast chances to explain his gameplay and he decided to not come clean. What are good townies supposed to do? The play imo was to vote Beast for being misleading lying about a 1 shot kill. orangeandblack5 ye I sus'd beast for being scum and or 3rd party and or just bad gameplay.. either way there was info to be made in beasts death. I'm sorry he is town and ded but beast should have come clean on his true intentions lying to everyone. Telling town he had a kill shot and us then relying on that later is just terrible..

GL Tonight town buddies.

Once day starts, LF leads on Mark by intentionally making it look like he has any sort of night info, which Paul follows. Jessup, however, pushes Exalt in what I can only call an extreme mischaracterization of, like, the entirety of Day 2:

Vote Exalt

The chances are really slim this guy matched beasts cop investigation on LF N1 focusing a tracker 1 shot on him. Both these guys chose LF and revealed together with zero communication? We are talking extremely low probabilities this could have happened. Not to mention how convenient it was to pop in second after beast claimed. MAfia knows who is not mafia and it is so easy to claim "ye I have proof beast is telling the truth and I tracked him too!!" It is such a scum move and tries to latch onto beasts claim to shield him from suspicion but the facts are the chances of both of them focusing on LF the same night are minuscule. Not to mention the weird train he started with orange on me.. ye beast voting for me I get but those two??

Any1 have any info to share that is incriminating today thru ur town powers?

Let's break this down.

First off, Jessup posits that it's basically inconceivable that two investigative roles would ever stack on one guy on N1, and that therefore one of them must be scum. That's just insane. The kind of player who is chosen to be investigated by one player is, by the very nature of an investigative role, also much more likely to be investigated by another player. In this case in particular, she's also choosing to ignore the fact that LF was investigated for a specific reason - he called Voth a bus driver before Voth flipped Bus Driver.

Secondarily, she's implying it's scummy to shield Beast (and by extension LF) from suspicion here when Beast was a literal Cop and LF was a greenchecked Town. I would hope it doesn't need to be explained why helping two town become cleared is, in fact, the opposite of scummy.

Thirdly, she's really starting to build into a push on me as well here, which has been her MO for this entire lategame - push the people that push you. It's a lot easier for scum to win a 1v1 than it is for them to fool people in general.

Lastly, I again find it very funny that she's putting on this pretense of caring about town investigative night actions after having lynched the Cop, while pushing the claimed Tracker, and while LITERALLY IGNORING LF, WHO SEEMS TO HAVE JUST MADE A VOTE BASED ON A NIGHT ACTION. Odds are high she didn't want to stack so closely with Paul who's probably just the third scum if there is one.

It's getting late and I think I've made my point by now, but suffice to say that I think her being so cautious with LF's alleged night results on page 11 is something Town just don't have to do in a game with no majority vote, her immediately latching onto your supposition that Exalt and I are paired by making that, like, her core ideology is incredibly scummy given you would later walk back on that pairing read because it's nonsense, and until right now she's basically been able to coast by just repeating "lynch exalt" while Mark just got unluckily caught in the crossfire.

Hell, she even tried to direct a hypothetical Vig onto Exalt or me, which would have lost us the game immediately if I'm right about Exalt.

So yeah, I'm pretty damn sure on this being a hit, have been for days, and wish I'd had more time to make this case sooner (hell, I wish I had more time now to get into the last few pages - but those should be fresh in your mind anyways and all she's done is follow you around to try and get you to vote with her here in LyLo).

tl;dr - Jessup has spent all game making pushes that are actively fishing for mislynches on players that should, by all rights and by what she herself has said is important to her, be clear, and has spent lategame sucking your dick to try and get you to misvote onto either of the slots that have pushed her instead of making a good-faith effort to evaluate the other slots in the game. Like, seriously, I don't think she's mentioned paul more than once or twice all game, and even then it's always been offhanded comments about how he "could maybe be scum I guess - but let's lynch orange and exalt first!"

[orangeandblack5]

all three town need to be voting a scum here or it's gg

this is the best I can do

please take a look at what I've said if I'm right about you

it's our only shot at winning

[Jessup]

Thx for posting in detail orange the reasons you have wanted to lynch me so much this game and if you are town it appears we got off on the wrong foot lol. You give me wayyyyyyy too much credit though of being some evil mastermind. This game has very limited power roles it appears. The thing is you don't realize exalt cud and wud do this type play and you focused on me calling out a town claim more than my orginal reasoning for suspecting Exalt from the get go. I explained that the chances statistically of beast and exalt both doing their 1 shots n1 wildly shooting in the dark was bad town play. I personally would NEVER waster a 1 shot without more to go off of than a random LF mention about bus driving and Voth.

I'm playing poker when it comes to exalt.. The statistical odds were 1 in 8 and that is ONLY from exalts standpoint. Add Beast into the mix and the odds shoot up to 1 in 16 the chances of focusing their 1 shots on same person the same night. Add in all the nights possible to use a shot the same time on one player and the odds become even more less in favor of this happening. My hugest mistake was changing my vote to beast that lynch. I needed to know if this 1 in 16 chance was legit so have stayed on Exalt ever since. Could this have happened and I am wrong?. Sure but the chances of this is what I've been banking on all along in my favor. The chances are slim. LF is a fine player but not one in our group that would warrant a double 1 shot over a flippant townie remark that sort of happened to hold some truth. Would mafia be so dumb to say that publicly like every1 was giving LF credit for. I decided NO. It meant nothing and anyone who said it did was exploiting a crack in the forum record. I would not have used my 1 shot on LF night 1 so no way I think both Beast AND exalt would do the same.

Everything you say makes sense but the sad fact that if you are town.. I am too . Either way I commend you for either the effort in laying out your reasoning on voting me and standing by exalt to help town or if ur scum for making one hell of a convincing post to vote me out. I am town. It is possible vehicle or T_P however are scum. It is possible exalt is town but as I've said all game with reasoning to back it up. I don't think so Am I an idiot.. maybe lol but exalt always defleects shit and u have been his shield all game and it stinks from my perspective.

You voting constantly on me has created space where I never felt we could test each others theories ubtil this post.. I've been wanting to know if the tree I'm barking up about Exalt (the odds and all) holds truth. I understand from your point if you are town why you feel like you do but you make it out too lightly my reasoning about the statistics both wud use n1 1 shot actions on LF over this flippant remark he made over bussing with Voth ect.. was obviously a joke now and I was right as LF was cruelly murdered by these fk fk scummers. You seem to STILL be defending this asinine reasoning to waste 1 shots on LF night 1 .. That is bad town play imo to waste of such a silly joke proven to be just that.

At this stage as I said I'm all in vs exalt. Someone voting with me vs exalt is town or both T_P and vehicle are scum in which case it is GG to them for COMPLETELY owning me.

If exalt flips scum well... then we have a whole new puzzle to figure out.

[Jessup]

Literally none of that first name shit matters and never has. It's nonsense.

Sincerely,

Kyle from the Neighborhood Watch. PS: I'm not gonna mow my lawn.

VOTE: Vehicle

Also Exalt said this which I am suspictious of too. Seems to mimmick illweis death write up.

Apologies for late change, I got caught up with some rl and some spaceships.


These wannabe cops are all the same- they think a headlamp, some walkie-talkies, and free-flowing testosterone will keep the neighborhood safe. That's not safety, in the same way that insisting all houses are painted earthen tones isn't nature. they could use some red.

Illwei aka Arthur, neighborhood watch is dead. He was found in the middle of the street, head caved in with a brick that was carefully placed into his left hand. His blood had set, a dried stream that once flowing into the gutter and down the storm drain. He was a 1-shot watcher.

I'll never be able to wash this off my shoes. Too bad, this was my favorite pair.

Begin Day 2

While Beast death write up was this below. No neighborhood watch was listed in his death writeup. He was a gatekeeper. I get this writeup for Illwei, they were a real WATCHER , tracker could fit into this but.. so far no evidence 2 power roles get that label while town cop was a gatekeeper. Couldn't exalt be something more like HOA Property manager being a tracker instead of being lumped into some neighborhood watch label? No one else has been paired up together in the same bracket in this manner. Is he George Zimmerman perhaps? Roaming around shooting townies he follows Self appointed tracker rofl.. Probably.....

Angry with the death of one of their own, the neighborhood descended on Maria at the front gate. After all, it makes sense, right? No one in our own community could be responsible for such a brutal scene, right? It was her job to keep our community secure, right? She wouldn't have lied about her priorities, right?

But Maria wasn't there. The rent-a-cop's car (she always called it "her security sedan") was gone; her little gate/toll booth was empty, except for an opioid prescription that was NOT made out to her, various lengths of dildos, and the central camera feed for the neighborhood. At last, we can find out who did this.

Rita (careful to not touch anything else) turned on the tv, and saw a different kind of savage pounding than the one that Arthur received last night. Deb quickly turned it off, and they all slowly turned to me.

Their blank stares were met with an even blanker stare from me. Finally Lumen broke the silence, "Jonah, is there any way to recover the footage?"

I quickly ejected the VCR (yes, VCR), but alas, it was just the porn.

She'd neglected her security duties, and got off instead.

Beast aka Maria the Gatekeeper skipped town. She was a 1-shot cop.

Begin Night 2

[Jessup]

So, if we think Exalt is scum, he's clearly setting up to try and get both LF and Beast lynched, right? Right.

So then why the fuck would he spend D2 actively clearing both LF and Beast, and end up being the only person to join me in trying to save Beast? If he's scum, he already called his marks on those two - why the hell would you drop that? There's no world in which the cop is lynched completely cleanly here and I don't see any reason scum!Exalt wouldn't have been on that wagon instead of trying to help stop it.

Also Orange you said this above. Why would exalt defend LF and beast.?? From my point of view Exalt HAD too. He banked claiming tracker on beasts claim as cop. Beast clears LF and then clears their own name as cop in death notice. This is also why LF is dead. Exalt as scum was afraid LF had some power to out him perhaps and mafia killed LF as a result. Also being that LF was our one basically confirmed townie it created more confusion within our ranks and it appears to also cast doubt on me for calling out exalt's probable BS fake claim. Exalt saw an early opening to fake claim and pounced trying to be a confirmed townie. The statistics were just not in his favor though and this is why and where Jessup stepped in. I'm a hero or a zero and I'm ok with that. I tried to do it for towns sake.

[Jessup]

lol i keep poppin in cause im up late.. but also wanted to say to Orange. I subscribe to the Lynch All Liars gameplay method in town. Beast lied and sadly this is why he got my vote. To claim cop and lie on the same day is crazy bad town play. Ye I knew beast was wild but I can't subscribe to that. Was either beast or Exalt for me that vote and frikkin exalt as usual squirmed out of it. I've been bit by exalt too many times

[Vehicle]

Damn ob5, you wrote the next great American novel overnight. I've only read the first post so far but am under time constraints this morning so I'm posting now:

Maybe you did in your essay and I haven't gotten there but explain this to me:
Assuming Jessup and I are scum, and there are three scum members, why would both members of scum team vote for their own on Day 1? If you recall, I was the third vote on Voth when no one else had more than 2. I helped put the nail in Voth's coffin. So did Jessup, albeit to a lesser extent.

Now yes, in past games we're had Voth vote to kill his own roleblocker D1. We've also had Voth throw his scum teammates under the bus D1. But what is the operand in that function? It's Voth. Knowing Voth and knowing Jessup, I find it literally unfathomable that Voth would say "Hey Jessup and [third scum], you guys should lynch me D1 to build credibility for yourselves." Voth is not that kind of player. There is no universe where Voth would volunteer to be the sacrificial lamb, especially not on D1.

This is why I refuse to even entertain this argument. Voth helping Jessup to lynch him to help Jessup build credability is just not something I could ever see happening. If I'm wrong then I will be forced to eat my words because got knows Voth will still gloat about it. But I really don't think I'm wrong.

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So, all of that said, it means the people up for the block today are Exalt, OB5 and the_paul. Two out of three of you are scum. If it's not you, ob5, then it is exalt and the_paul. Unfortunately I do think it's you. While the_paul hasn't done anything to demonstrate town bona fides, he also hasn't done anything outright scummy. The same can't be said of Exalt and OB5.

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I will go back and re-read the walls of text OB5 posted, I just don't have time right now to critically read them. The above are just my thoughts based off of skimming the first post.

[orangeandblack5]

...where did I implicate you in any of that?

I agree that you look incredibly clean from your vote to sink Voth, I just strongly disagree that Jessup should be granted the same clemency for her vote.

[orangeandblack5]

Vehicle day could literally end at any moment please don't let Jessup run away with this just because she happened to vote Voth in her first post and never got a good chance to change it