[Mafia] Someone is Watching

[Exalt]

Wtf. I log in and it's almost day 2 now? Is this a turbo game? Do you fuckers not have jobs? Slow down so people can actually play the game.

[the_paul]

This was a good pickup from Paul. Lai'ing low, not attaching herself to a lynch. Seemed inactive most game, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt with the voth re-vote. But if you somehow have determined I'm not a VT, what about the rest of the people who haven't spoken up?

This deserves a bolding. Well played

[the_paul]

Also FWIW, Vehicle seems to have posted that he understood what Voth and I were talking about. He didn't elaborate or add anything to it though, so it's a pretty easy throwaway comment that could buy him town vibes from others. I'm not going back to find the post after the manifesto I wrote up there, someone else can do that.

I don't think we were super successful, but Voth and I at least tried to be subtle in the description. Apart from your roleclaim, I know you're not a VT because you would have understood immediately Willby. I don't know a lot about some of the other players left, but you would 100% have understood what we were saying, and I think even Voth will agree with that statement.

[WillBy]

Even after telling us his role voth still very pushy trying to get willby killed.
vote VOTH

Just a thought, Global sounds like universal?

This was a good pickup from Paul. Lai'ing low, not attaching herself to a lynch. Seemed inactive most game, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt with the voth re-vote. But if you somehow have determined I'm not a VT, what about the rest of the people who haven't spoken up?

[LF]

Almost ready to proceed into Day 2. Just waiting on a couple of night actions

[WillBy]

Okay Paul. Sure. So let's compare notes. What did we learn from Beast getting lynched? Can you point to a single point of credible information that we gained from that lynch? Just one, that's all I ask.

On the other hand, if someone forced a no lynch instead, THAT would have been credible information. Who forced it, what was the timing, who did they jump in and save? All of that would help more than a useless lynch with no bearing of a retard who didn't even play before he was lynched.

Sorry, but if you can't see that, it might not be me who needs their head cleared. You fucked this up if you're town. Rather than rallying people to something that made sense, you copped to something stupid. Makes me wonder.

What we learned? For one we learned Jessup didn't want to be on a lynch wagon, seemed to have a change of heart last minute, and (if we are to believe you are a VT), Jessup is not.

Alternatively, beast didnt seem to know what your/Paul's secret handshake was, and he's now confirmed VT.

We also learned Voth has his blinders on, but thats hardly new information. You should keep calling everyone who doesnt follow you idiots. Great way to not have the mafia kill you. Youre being unstable and leaving yourself up to be manipulated.

[the_paul]

Also I'm not going to cry about lynching someone who wasn't even playing. Inactivity pisses me off and is punishable by death IMO if all other things are equal. In my opinion, we also got the benefit of seeing who would force the no lynch, while also getting information on the alignment of someone and who voted for him. Sucks a townie died, but it was a townie who showed no interest in playing, and we also got a 2 for 1 benefit IMO.

[the_paul]

Don't get mad at me that the wagon we wanted to happen didn't. Willby's roleclaim convinced enough people to either jump off or not get on in the first place. I jumped on the Beast wagon out of necessity to not have a no lynch. We tried the Willby wagon, I was with you, he convinced enough people to get off. That ship has sailed. Now at least we can look at what went down and the timing of it. Here's where we were:

Current Vote Count

Beast - 3 (Jessup, Vehicle, Willby)
Willby - 3 (Voth, Paul, Soilderz)
Soilderz - 1 (Exalt)
Vehicle - 1 (Beast)

No Vote: Jacklyn (Had vote on Voth, unvoted, never voted again)

Phase change will be coming in approximately 60-90 minutes.

Which was immediately followed by:

Even after telling us his role voth still very pushy trying to get willby killed.
vote VOTH

Just a thought, Global sounds like universal?

Willby then posted saying essentially "Don't vote for Voth, vote for Beast. Voting for Voth is a waste atm" And we got this as a response, which I think is noteworthy:

I didnt see this went to a different page already.. Im trusting you are not scum willpi
unvote voth
Vote Beast

Fast forward through some back and forth basically just with Jessup and Beast, nothing ground breaking there. Jessup makes her final post in the exchange, LF posts 9 minutes later saying votes are locked, and another 5 minutes after that, Jessup posts trying to unvote Beast and vote Jacklyn. She miscounted votes and thought this would force a no lynch, but was off by 1 vote and was late anyway. I found that noteworthy too. All of that led us to this:

Day 1 Vote Count

Beast - 5 (Jessup, Paul, Willby, Vehicle, Jacklyn)
Willby - 3 (Voth, Beast, Soilderz)
Soilderz - 1 (Exalt)

Beast is no more. He was a Vanilla Townie.

Interesting parts bolded. I voted Beast to prevent a no lynch, you might disagree with my decision there but I think you and I have some common ground to work together going forward at this point. Willby voted Beast out of necessity too, we've determined what he definitely isn't, beyond that we don't know anything about Willby. So those 2 votes sort of make sense.

Jessup bounced on and off different wagons, then voted Willby, then tried to unvote and force a no lynch at literally the last minute. This is suspicious to me.

Vehicle voted Beast early as a day 1 whatever vote I think, but did come back to say he didn't feel good about it and had concerns about the wagon forming. Then, unless I missed it, he didn't post again and obviously didn't change his vote. Interesting.

Jacklyn voted Voth, then unvoted Voth, then revoted Voth, then got told not to vote Voth by Willby and to vote Beast (also by Willby), and she did just that... and that was her day 1. That's suspicious for sure.

Exalt voted Soilderz and then basically faded into the mist for the rest of the phase. There were 2 viable votes day 1, he didn't vote for either. Exalt is the same guy who lynched me for sticking with my gut day 1 in a game which led to my vote being useless, then he did the same thing here. Granted, Exalt's activity has been less recently that we've seen in the past, but this seems like something to me.

Yes, we lynched a VT. That's not ideal. It could have been much worse though, and to say we didn't learn anything doesn't seem accurate to me.

I trust Voth as much as I can trust anyone day 1, which is especially shitty given the history of shady shit Voth and I have together, but beyond that no one on the Willby wagon is above suspicion either. But they're on my back burner for now. The above is what I personally learned day 1, and I'd like to hear what other people got out of the phase.

[Voth]

Could not disagree more with this logic at all lol. Seems insane that you're saying it was a better move to stay on the guy who claimed a town power role day 1 because of a hunch and risk a no lynch rather than force a lynch and have defined wagons. Really hope you clear your head before next day phase since you're the only person I have a pretty strong reason to believe is also town.

Okay Paul. Sure. So let's compare notes. What did we learn from Beast getting lynched? Can you point to a single point of credible information that we gained from that lynch? Just one, that's all I ask.

On the other hand, if someone forced a no lynch instead, THAT would have been credible information. Who forced it, what was the timing, who did they jump in and save? All of that would help more than a useless lynch with no bearing of a retard who didn't even play before he was lynched.

Sorry, but if you can't see that, it might not be me who needs their head cleared. You fucked this up if you're town. Rather than rallying people to something that made sense, you copped to something stupid. Makes me wonder.

[the_paul]

Seeing someone force a no lynch last second would have been more informative than lynching someone who didn't play or interact with anyone for no god damn reason.

Sorry, but the Beast vote is inexcusable for everyone involved if they are pro-town. What a crock of shit.

Could not disagree more with this logic at all lol. Seems insane that you're saying it was a better move to stay on the guy who claimed a town power role day 1 because of a hunch and risk a no lynch rather than force a lynch and have defined wagons. Really hope you clear your head before next day phase since you're the only person I have a pretty strong reason to believe is also town.

[Voth]

Better to stick to your guns and let someone force a no lynch at the last second? The Willby wagon lost steam and had a 0% chance of success. The only way to get any information was to make sure a no lynch couldn't have been forced last minute, which was still attempted. It was the right move, and if take a few deep breaths, you'll see that too.

Seeing someone force a no lynch last second would have been more informative than lynching someone who didn't play or interact with anyone for no god damn reason.

Sorry, but the Beast vote is inexcusable for everyone involved if they are pro-town. What a crock of shit.

[the_paul]

No lynches are retarded, but so was your switch to Beast. Talk about a useless lynch that we learned nothing from. The guy barely said two words before getting lynched. Can't analyze interactions and statements that don't exist. Might as well have been a no lynch.

Fucking rookies.

Better to stick to your guns and let someone force a no lynch at the last second? The Willby wagon lost steam and had a 0% chance of success. The only way to get any information was to make sure a no lynch couldn't have been forced last minute, which was still attempted. It was the right move, and if take a few deep breaths, you'll see that too.

[Soilderz]

Sssh during night

[the_paul]

We could have saved beast...and saved a extra townie as a block moving into the night. It became quickly apparent to me it was a bad vote based on nothing AND also beast had claimed . I suspect we got some scum on that train. VERY SUS!

I agree with you. If we hadn't lynched anyone, we wouldn't know anything about any wagon at all

[Jessup]

What would we have learned from a no lynch?

We could have saved beast...and saved a extra townie as a block moving into the night. It became quickly apparent to me it was a bad vote based on nothing AND also beast had claimed . I suspect we got some scum on that train. VERY SUS!