[Mafia] Someone is Watching

[WillBy]

Also want to give a shout out to my man Voth. Claims VT, when he should be soaking up night kills for town, and does his best to out anyone who he thinks isnt a VT aka would be useful for town. I won't survive the night, but if I did its likely because mafia will just roleblock me in perpetuity. It's D1 and we have 2 massive misplays from a self described heavyweight.

[WillBy]

Fuck it. I'm the 1-shot global watcher. Now guess who's getting killed N1, Voth

[Soilderz]

While I'm not entirely understanding what kind of common ground you and paul have found I do see the value of the play here. I'm happy to change my vote to WIllby but;

while it seems you guys have concluded that he's either scum or town power role, what happens when he inevitably claims power role? This is Day 1, we have almost 0 idea what kind of roles there my be and without any Night actions the only way you can counter-prove the coming town power role is if that 'REAL' town power role claims it (who may just as well be scum instead)

Right, I guess I only thought about it. Even though I'm not as convinced about this move as voth seems to be (maybe some personal vendetta is at play too ), it will create some action and we will learn something. One way or the other.

unvote beast

VOTE WILLBY

[WillBy]

I'm keeping my vote on Willby, will be going to sleep soon and wont check this thread for the next 8-9 hours fyi

Your vote isn't on me, is it?

[Soilderz]

I'm keeping my vote on Willby, will be going to sleep soon and wont check this thread for the next 8-9 hours fyi

[Jessup]

Holy hell.. already 6 pages and it is basically willby vs voth the entire time.

1st blood was done by Willby going for T_P using the old you have been mafia 2 games and so you are a 3rd time logic. Makes no sense for a vote imo and the chances T_P are scum get less and less each game if anything.

then..

Voth though does the big no no and claims Vanilla Townie and in doing so endangers towns power roles. VT claims are often scum and hurt towns chances of winning when real because it gives mafia one less person to focus on for their objective in eliminating town power role kills.

This all said. Voth has made his move and claimed VT and has apparently decided this is the ground he wants to die on. For me the move is to vote WillBy and force the claim so we then get two people revealing roles. It gives town more info to work off of to make Willby claim now .

[WillBy]

I understand, friend. I just know that if we even have a few more players with half a brain who are town, you are going to have to deal with the "claim or get fucked" reality.

I eagerly await the day. You should call them smooth brained fukfuk idiots again, that'll bring them around.

That being said, if you are town, then you're gonna want to make sure you pay attention. Very easy for a scum to hop on me then "forget" about the game for a few days, regardless of my roleclaim. Is there a scenario where you unvote me Voth?

[Voth]

Do you not understand how majorities work? Those aren't the only two options. In fact, getting fucked isn't even an option at the moment. It's "Claim or Beast gets fucked" which isn't much motivation for me.

I understand, friend. I just know that if we even have a few more players with half a brain who are town, you are going to have to deal with the "claim or get fucked" reality.

[WillBy]

Claim or get fucked.

Do you not understand how majorities work? Those aren't the only two options. In fact, getting fucked isn't even an option at the moment. It's "Claim or Beast gets fucked" which isn't much motivation for me.

[Voth]

Follow up question, have you ever railroaded a townie before, losing your team the game?

Sure, but never one that refuses to roleclaim after stepping in feces and then just posts "gotcha" post after "gotcha" post trying to sway public opinion. We all know you're scum. Claim or get fucked.

[WillBy]

Follow up question, have you ever railroaded a townie before, losing your team the game?

[Voth]

You can't pressure me by asking my role for 5 straight pages. Bold or not.

You said you'd answer any questions, so let's try it. What do you think about the one actual price of information we have:

A 1-shot global modifier for 1 role only. OK. Could mean that someone has a role but it could turn to a 1-shot role based on some other action? Could mean that someone has a power that they don't know about yet? Could mean that someone has the ability to change someone's role to 1-shot only? I have no fucking idea. But I appreciate the smokescreen.

I don't know what the fuck that means. The only thing I care about right now is that you came out swinging for me and you stepped in it big time. Now, it's time to die! Or roleclaim... but we all know that's a long way off and it'll be bullshit anyway once you do.

[Voth]

While I'm not entirely understanding what kind of common ground you and paul have found I do see the value of the play here. I'm happy to change my vote to WIllby but;

while it seems you guys have concluded that he's either scum or town power role, what happens when he inevitably claims power role? This is Day 1, we have almost 0 idea what kind of roles there my be and without any Night actions the only way you can counter-prove the coming town power role is if that 'REAL' town power role claims it (who may just as well be scum instead)

He will inevitably claim to be a town power role when he is pressed far enough. And then, we tell him to fuck himself and lynch him anyway, because of his conduct today alone. He is not acting pro-town in any way whatsoever. He is clearly sidestepping, setting up smokescreens, and being an overall dickish scum team player. There is no better answer today. He took my bait and stepped in dogshit, and now he dies for it. And like I said, I'd be willing to put good money on him flipping scum. It's pretty classic Willby.

[WillBy]

I forgot Voth doesn't read anything that doesn't go along with his understanding of the game.

Don't get me wrong, id be delighted if Voth and Pauls obligation nonsense led to uniting townies. But at yhe moment, there are 2 of them, and an estimated 2 mafia members. So I'll continue waiting, vote on beast, for someone else to corroborate their weird story.

[Soilderz]

Are you? Does that mean you're VT as well? If so, can you elaborate a little? That way we can trust eachother.

Sure, we know what Willby is not. And he is clearly avoiding being up front about his role. That means he is either scum or a town power role. The only way to flush out which is to press him. Pressure leads to answers. Based on actions and attitude, I'd be willing to place a heavy handed prop bet that Willby is scum, and definitely not a town role at all. I'm willing to hear him out, but he has made it clear he won't talk without pressure.

So...let's pressure him.

While I'm not entirely understanding what kind of common ground you and paul have found I do see the value of the play here. I'm happy to change my vote to WIllby but;

while it seems you guys have concluded that he's either scum or town power role, what happens when he inevitably claims power role? This is Day 1, we have almost 0 idea what kind of roles there my be and without any Night actions the only way you can counter-prove the coming town power role is if that 'REAL' town power role claims it (who may just as well be scum instead)