America's fucked.

[froedrick]

First of all Shut the fuck up.....ure from a different country u have no idea what ure talking about....John Kerry never stated he would pull our troops out of Iraq.....he is strongly for the war....and the draft so please actually learn something before u come in here spouting ure mouth off...foreginers like u dont know everything....i know....hard to believe but its true

Secondly ure country still has free speech? Ure country would belong to Hitler if it wasnt for us....so gg to u buddy and thanks for the gratitude....nice to know we sent our soliders over to die for a country who's next generation were a bunch of cocky Anti-American assholes

Actually it was the Russians who were the main cause to the winning of the war. Oh and Hitlers eagerness kinda fucked him over. Granted the states were a big part but don't ever try to pretend like they were the sole reason. Had they fought alone they would've lost also.

[Squeezer]

Actually it was the Russians who were the main cause to the winning of the war. Oh and Hitlers eagerness kinda fucked him over. Granted the states were a big part but don't ever try to pretend like they were the sole reason. Had they fought alone they would've lost also.

yes but also dont u forget we won half the war on our own....and while the russians gave pressure from the East it was the American Invasion of Italy and France which broke the Nazi's Back

[ogron]

America made a large contribution, Canada helped, Britain, although the Russians probably made the biggest contribution, especially by burning down their own towns and constantly retreating, killing off the germans with their winter and lack of proper clothing, and they suffered the greatest soldier casualties.

It should also be noted that the US jumped into the war 2 years late, and only because Japan was dumb enough to attack Pearl Habour. And the bombs that made Japan surrender were made largely due to german scientist defectors who really made the manhatten project possible.

While nothing justifies the horrible terrors of Al Quaeda, let's not forget that Osama praised the US and were allies in the 80's until the US invaded what he called the holy land or whatever (Saudi Arabia) with like 80000 troops and tanks and shit (or something to that effect).

The CIA and US military's track record is both decorated with great acts of courage and defense of freedom, and tainted with horrible coup's and instating US friendly dictatorships and such.

There is no single element to blame, the world is not black and white, america is not evil nor is it a saint. However, it's my opinion that the US has done more good for the world in its history than it has bad, which is far more than I can say for any Islamic state.

[Acidmouse]

yes but also dont u forget we won half the war on our own....and while the russians gave pressure from the East it was the American Invasion of Italy and France which broke the Nazi's Back

That's just so wrong.


Sigh...

[Jeansi]

the initial "a" simulates the intake of breath before the beginning of the laughter at the fact that you place the us invasion of afghanistan before september 11th in whatever warped little sense of chronology your brain works on.

when did I do that? afghanistan has nothing to do with this.

[Jeansi]

You don't seem to understand. Osama is not an afghan, he and his family is from Saudi-Arabia.

"His militancy is traced back to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Bin Laden's avowed goal from that time is to remove Western "infidels" from Muslim countries - the Russians from Afghanistan, the American military from Saudi Arabia and other points in the Gulf - the downfall of many government of Muslim states, and for the destruction of the United States and its allies.

Bin Laden is the son of the Yemeni-born owner of a leading Saudi construction company. Born into great wealth, he is believed to have inherited as much as $300 million when his father died in the 1960's. From 1979, bin Laden began raising money for the Mujahadeen forces fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan, and gradually became more and more affiliated with Egyptian Islamic extremist groups, such as Egyptian Islamic Jihad. From the mid-1980's bin Laden began to establish training camps in Afghanistan, initially for the war in Afghanistan, but later to fight against other targets worldwide. He has attracted thousands of recruits from Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Egypt, Yemen, Pakistan and Sudan.

Reportedly, bin Laden's anti-Americanism intensified during the Gulf War, when U.S. troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia. According to The New York Times: "The presence of American soldiers in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of the Prophet Muhammad and the home of the two holiest Muslim shrines, enraged Mr. bin Laden and other Arab militants." He and his associates also blamed the U.S. support for Israel as anti-Islam."


"August 1996 - Bin Laden issued a Declaration of jihad, holy war, entitled: "Message from Osama bin Laden to his Muslim Brothers in the Whole World and Especially in the Arabian Peninsula: Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Mosques; Expel the Heretics from the Arabian Peninsula." "


Does that refresh you memory?

[bug]

fyi

04.09.19
1. first off the US in it's "isolationist" policy ducked out the first 3 years of ww2 basically the nazies take all of europe (except mayby britan.) The US was busy making $ selling arms and supplies.
2. When it became aparent that the nazies were going to over-run the soviets, and they were running out of $/rubles to buy resupply, and the nazi secret weapons dept (atomic bomb, synthetic petrol, jet fighter/bomber, icbm...) were a decade ahead of the US (our atomic program was basically pointing at the geiger counter needle display when near uranium!) the US had no choice but to enter the war in '43.
3. If the nazies had not purged the jew physicist and scientist from their programs they would have had the bomb by '41.
4. Alot of citizens in other countries get taxed 50 to 75%. US citizens get taxed on earnings, taxed when it is spent, taxed as it is held, and taxed at double & triple when one dies and tries to pass already taxed holdings to children. In contrast corporations shield alot of international earnings by having those branches outside the US and beyond the ability of the gov't to tax those holdings. If you checked the $ the gov't works it's budget from, citizen taxes account for 3/4 of that revenue, yet the corporation profits are 6 to 8X the combined earnings of the citizens... how does that balance citizens making 1/6 of what corperations make pay 3/4 of the gov't budget, while corperations making 6X what citizens earn only pay 1/4 of the gov't budget (! obviously the taxing for corporations is not based on the total amount earned!)... i guess all those company lobiest/lawyers do have some influence on the gov't legislators that pass the laws that determine who and how much they get taxed!
5. As much as i dislike pres bush, at least one can see what his views are and he is somewhat consistent in policy. In contrast kery seems to be totally moved/influenced by the moment. Kery will support one popular position at one moment and in the next moment just as commitedly support its opposite position. ?How is that dependable or justify puting that person in the position to set international policy? It is the fault of the democratic party for not presenting a candidate worth voting for and presenting a VALID alternative to pres bush, but then again is there that much diference in the powers behind either democrats or republicans, those corperate leaders with generations of 'old$.'
6. At this point i would more likely vote for Ms Clinton for prez & her husband as VP. Things were prety good when the Clintons were in charge, except how pres Clinton covered up the area51 acountability & not legalizing refer.

[Jeansi]

2. When it became aparent that the nazies were going to over-run the soviets, and they were running out of $/rubles to buy resupply, and the nazi secret weapons dept (atomic bomb, synthetic petrol, jet fighter/bomber, icbm...) were a decade ahead of the US (our atomic program was basically pointing at the geiger counter needle display when near uranium!) the US had no choice but to enter the war in '43.

I thought it was germany that declared war on the USA?

[Da1andonly]

Secondly ure country still has free speech? Ure country would belong to Hitler if it wasnt for us....so gg to u buddy and thanks for the gratitude....nice to know we sent our soliders over to die for a country who's next generation were a bunch of cocky Anti-American assholes

Wow, another prime example of a first class idiot!

[Vykromond]

Not that you gave a source for your quote, but hey!

You don't seem to understand. Osama is not an afghan, he and his family is from Saudi-Arabia.

"His militancy is traced back to the 1979 Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. (Emphasis added.)

Osama hates the us because they invaded his country. period. (Emphasis added.)

Nice.

Reportedly, bin Laden's anti-Americanism intensified during the Gulf War, when U.S. troops were stationed in Saudi Arabia.(Emphasis added.)

in·ten·si·fy ( P ) Pronunciation Key (n-tns-f)
v. in·ten·si·fied, in·ten·si·fy·ing, in·ten·si·fies
v. tr.

To make intense or more intense: 'The press has intensified its scrutiny of the candidate's background.'

You said something retarded, it was embarassing for all of us, you can't defend it because it was just plain wrong, let's move on already.

[Jeansi]

http://www.adl.org/terrorism_america/bin_l.asp

And the soviet invading afghanistan has nothing to do with Osama hating america. It merely was the thing that made him a soldier who wanted to protect islam. According to himself, he should have died in the battles in 1979, and he is now living on "over-time" granted to him by Allah to protect muslim countries. I'm not really sure if this is exact information but it goes somewhat like that.

[Jeansi]

Nice.





You said something retarded, it was embarassing for all of us, you can't defend it because it was just plain wrong, let's move on already.

I don't understand. You think he hates the US because of no reason at all? Of course he has reasons.

[Liquid Blue]

04.09.19
5. As much as i dislike pres bush, at least one can see what his views are and he is somewhat consistent in policy. In contrast kery seems to be totally moved/influenced by the moment. Kery will support one popular position at one moment and in the next moment just as commitedly support its opposite position. ?How is that dependable or justify puting that person in the position to set international policy? It is the fault of the democratic party for not presenting a candidate worth voting for and presenting a VALID alternative to pres bush, but then again is there that much diference in the powers behind either democrats or republicans, those corperate leaders with generations of 'old$.'

I'm tired of seeing republicans spew this kind of crap when they have nothing else bad to say about Kerry. Do you honestly think that ignoring the U.N. and invading another country without any good reason, to help throw your economy into the gutter and watch as thousands lose jobs is so much better than " being a flip-flopper?" You say he seems to be totally influenced by the movement, how is that better than Bush being influenced by his cabinet and/or daddy? Do you really want to spend another 4 years with this maniac in office? Fuck nader, kerry is the only chance we have. We need to get Bush out of office, then whine about Kerry's indecisiveness later.

I can't wait to hear some shitty Republican excuses if Bush wins and starts WW3. " How were we supposed to know?" " It's all for the good of stopping terrorism" " blah blah blah "

[Squeezer]

04.09.19

2. When it became aparent that the nazies were going to over-run the soviets, and they were running out of $/rubles to buy resupply, and the nazi secret weapons dept (atomic bomb, synthetic petrol, jet fighter/bomber, icbm...) were a decade ahead of the US (our atomic program was basically pointing at the geiger counter needle display when near uranium!) the US had no choice but to enter the war in '43.

uhhhhh.....the Americans entered the War in 1941 not 1943....and they entered the war in Germany because Germany held strong on their alliance with Japan....declaring War on the US

[froedrick]

uhhhhh.....the Americans entered the War in 1941 not 1943....and they entered the war in Germany because Germany held strong on their alliance with Japan....declaring War on the US

No they declared war on Japan. And the tripple Alliance which was secret, forced the Germans to declare war on the states 2 days afterwards. And what broke the Germans back was the 2 year assault "Barbarossa". Which was the invasion of russia, which killed 2 million geman soldiers crippled their supplies (because they couldn't get at russia's very important oil supply). Oh and by the way. The Americans weren't alone in invading italy and France. There was British, Canadian, United States, French resistance soldiers, Polish resistance, the Netherlands resistance, and some Belgians. And the assault was planned by the British. So don't spew stuff about things you don't know. Yes the Americans were a big part. But they weren't the defining factor nor the hugest. If you really wanted to show where the americans did a huge thing is the battle of the Bulge in the ardennes. But you wouldn't know that would ya