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  • #16
    On the whole "he flip-flops!" issue:

    Changing your mind about something isn't necessarily a bad thing. Sometimes, you go into something thinking you're doing the absolute best thing for the given scenario. Often times, once you're working on that scenario, it becomes apparent that what you thought at the beginning isn't the best way to go about things. SMART PEOPLE, AT THIS POINT, ADAPT. Being "strong-willed" (or whatever the Bush campaign's spin on it is), isn't only foolhardy, it can be downright dangerous.

    The whole thing about Bush berating Kerry for changing his stance on the invasion of Iraq, WMDs, etc thing makes me sick. Why? Let's think back to when the Iraq invasion hadn't began.

    Back around March 19, 2003, it was POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SUICIDE to say ANYTHING bad about either the military or the government's decision to invade Iraq. Several people spoke out (including Natalie Maines, Ted Kennedy, etc), and were all more-or-less publicly crucified for their beliefs. You were seen as an "America-hater" if you had ideals that didn't include the invasion of a soverign country.

    So was Kerry wrong in saying he supported the invasion? Yes. Was he wrong in saying that we'd probably find WMDs in Iraq in the post-invasion cleanup? Yes. But let's think about two things:

    Ultimately, neither stance was his own making--the original decision to go into Iraq--Bush. The original phrase "Saddam has WMDs and will not hesitate to use them on the American people"--Bush. Shit, if Kerry's wrong, Bush is even more so.

    What Kerry's saying now is "the way we've been doing things isn't working... let's change that". What's wrong with that way of thinking? If I start building a car with cheese and crackers, and it keeps breaking up in the rain because, well, crackers will tend to do that when exposed to water, do I keep trying to build a car with crackers, or do I try new materials? It's simple logic, folks. I can't understand why people can't figure this one out on their own.
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    • #17
      Bush can't (and for political reasons won't) distinguish the War on Terrorism and The War in Iraq. Next to being a very poor public speaker that will be his down fall.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kolar
        Bush can't (and for political reasons won't) distinguish the War on Terrorism and The War in Iraq. Next to being a very poor public speaker that will be his down fall.

        I hope you're right, but I think bush is gonna win the election.

        also, I think it's a strength for bush not to distinguish between the two wars. when you lump them together, the general public just accepts that fighting in iraq is making us safer.
        http://www.trenchwars.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15100 - Gallileo's racist thread

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        • #19
          although i will vote for kerry, I have a huge hankering that bush will win the election.
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          • #20
            I'm going to watch Kerry win...then brag to Bioture about it.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by dimboy2
              Bush will win because his corrupt friends will help him again, in return for his friends getting all the business that helps run USA.
              England go away. If you knew anything.. Bush doesnt have friends. :down:
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              • #22
                debates are boring, 90 minutes of debates is hell. I imagine if i died and went to hell that satan would make me watch nonstop all the tapes of the presidential debates.
                To all the virgins, Thanks for nothing
                brookus> my grandmother died when she heard people were using numbers in their names in online games.. it was too much for her little heart

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                • #23
                  Bush has nothing of credit but the Iraq war, and Kerry is still a peace loving hippy. To hell with both of them, Schwarzenegger for prez

                  Note: I know Arnold can't be president, but please dream with me for a minute
                  Originally posted by Tone
                  Women who smoke cigarettes are sexy, not repulsive. It depends on the number smoked. less is better

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                  • #24
                    Well these arguments will never go anywhere, so I guess we'll have to wait to see who wins the election, then you can all piss on eachother's face.

                    Sound good?

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                    • #25
                      I Win All Your Whitet Hourses Are Beloug To Me!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by pv=nrt
                        debates are boring, 90 minutes of debates is hell. I imagine if i died and went to hell that satan would make me watch nonstop all the tapes of the presidential debates.
                        makes sense from a bush supporter... issues and details are boring, just vote for the guy that makes you feel the most patriotic.
                        http://www.trenchwars.org/forums/showthread.php?t=15100 - Gallileo's racist thread

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Jeansi
                          Since when has there been a Pax America?
                          I think that was an attemp to make an analogy with "Pax romana" as an elucubration about "the fall of the american empire".

                          about china as new empire coming,

                          all i can say is that since im not american id rather keep eating mc donalds than eating insects as snaks
                          8:I Hate Cookies> a gota dágua foi quando falei q eu tinha 38 anos e estava apaixonado por uma garota, mas a família dela n deixava agente namorar
                          8:I Hate Cookies> aí quando todo mundo me apoiou falando q o amor supera tudo, falei q a garota tinha 12 anos
                          8:I Hate Cookies> aí todos mudaram repentinamente de opinião falando q eu era um pedófilo
                          8:AnImoL> esses amigos falsos
                          8:SCHOPE NORRIS> o amor supera tudo. da até pra esperar a puberdade
                          8:I Hate Cookies> sim... fiquei desiludido schope...

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                          • #28
                            What I heard is that Kerry lost his credibility coz of his changing points of view. But still...please...Americans, don't vote Bush
                            I don't know how to put this but I'm kind of a big deal...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by schope

                              about china as new empire coming,

                              all i can say is that since im not american id rather keep eating mc donalds than eating insects as snaks

                              That is such an incredibly ignorant comment to make.





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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by schope
                                I think that was an attemp to make an analogy with "Pax romana" as an elucubration about "the fall of the american empire".
                                Congratulations,

                                you've won the

                                MISSED THE POINT

                                award!
                                Originally posted by Ward
                                OK.. ur retarded case closed

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