Debate

[froedrick]

but they probably should've addressed that sooner and made more clear their reasons for voting the way they did.

they just see the commercials and bush definitely won the soundbite battle.

I think the reason they voted against it was because the contract was going to be signed out to Haliburton. Who happen to be under investigation for tax evasion .

It's shitty that I haven't been able to see any of these commercials, I'd love to see what kind of bullshit both sides are saying about the other.

[schope]

The word pax means "peace", not "fall of". The Pax Romana is therefore the time when the Roman Empire was at it's largest, 27 BC - 180 AD.


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Pax Romana was the reason of the fall of the empire P

since their economical system was based on slavery and expasion

but w/e

[froedrick]

Pax Romana was the reason of the fall of the empire P

since their economical system was based on slavery and expasion

but w/e

Pax Romanus describes how the empire came to be. So when you say Pax Americana, it's supposed to symbolize their intent to become an empire in the same way the Romans did. By invading and taking over.

[Gemfire]

I didn't like how Cheney played with his hands too much, its like he was anxious to be out of there

[Liquid Blue]

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGQA94J861.DTL

Washington -- Persistent election-year rumors that President Bush has a secret plan to reinstate the draft if he is re-elected led Republican House leaders Tuesday to force a vote that overwhelmingly rejected a bill to reinstate conscription.

The result, a 402-2 vote against the draft, was a foregone conclusion because Bush and Democratic challenger Sen. John Kerry say they oppose reinstating the military draft, and almost no one in Congress supports the idea.

But Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Wash., said young people would remain suspicious. "These kids may look funny, these kids may have rings in their noses, these kids may have long hair, but they know they don't believe you,'' he said.

[Squeezer]

and that ladies and gentlemen is why there will never be a draft in the US. No one will ever support it.

[froedrick]

and that ladies and gentlemen is why there will never be a draft in the US. No one will ever support it.

There all ready were drafts in the US

[Squeezer]

not since Vietnam, hence the future tense used on the word "will."

[froedrick]

not since Vietnam

My point still stands. And I wouldn't be surprised if Bush implemented a draft somehow. Not saying he will, just saying I wouldn't be surprised.

[Squeezer]

ROFL HE CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He can't just pass a law because he feels like it. He needs 70% of Congress support (I'm not sure about that stat) but its something like Two-Thirds or a number around there. Now as much as you hate Bush, he only has the power to VETO, not to just make whatever law he wants possible. Plus, if you say oh he'll find a way to pay off congress, Congress is full of rich ass senators, most of which do actually care about the welfare of our nation.

[froedrick]

ROFL HE CANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He can't just pass a law because he feels like it. He needs 70% of Congress support (I'm not sure about that stat) but its something like Two-Thirds or a number around there. Now as much as you hate Bush, he only has the power to VETO, not to just make whatever law he wants possible. Plus, if you say oh he'll find a way to pay off congress, Congress is full of rich ass senators, most of which do actually care about the welfare of our nation.

If he can get the patriot act to pass, he could just as easily swing this.

[bloodzombie]

If he can get the patriot act to pass, he could just as easily swing this.

The patriot act was passed with overwhelming support. Moore claims that it was actually changed really late the night before the vote, I don't know if that's true or not, but the fact is that it was political suicide to vote against it at that time. Also, nobody knew what the fuck it did. Have you ever tried to read the thing? It's not in english. there's no sentences and paragraphs, it's just a bazillion tiny amendments to current law that changes a word here and a word there and adds this line and removes that line. So it would take a team of lawyers a year and a half to figure out everything the damn thing does. They all voted for it, and now most of them seem to want to change it.

[Sarien]

and that ladies and gentlemen is why there will never be a draft in the US. No one will ever support it.

I'm afraid you are very incorrect.
A draft will be enacted at any point when there is enough wars going on to need troops, and not enough troops to fill the demand. You talk about how terribly hard it is to enact a draft? Imagine political opponents ready to jump on the line "we're losing the war in blahblah (Iran) because so and so is soft on defense and our military." How likely would it be for them to vote for a draft then? Face it boys and girls. Four more years of Bush could mean another war. Another war will almost surely mean a draft. I feel bad for you. I mean, I'm to an age now where a draft would have to be going on for several years, before it was even an issue for me. A war in Iran or North Korea, will not mean a steamroll offensive like in Iraq. Quite the opposite. How's that for a reason not to vote for him, pv?

[Gemfire]

Did anyone see that jibjab cartoon on Jay Leno? OMFG It was hilarious

[froedrick]

The patriot act was passed with overwhelming support. Moore claims that it was actually changed really late the night before the vote, I don't know if that's true or not, but the fact is that it was political suicide to vote against it at that time. Also, nobody knew what the fuck it did. Have you ever tried to read the thing? It's not in english. there's no sentences and paragraphs, it's just a bazillion tiny amendments to current law that changes a word here and a word there and adds this line and removes that line. So it would take a team of lawyers a year and a half to figure out everything the damn thing does. They all voted for it, and now most of them seem to want to change it.

It's their job to be able to understand it beez (ppl voting for it). I mean doesn't this act basically take away all your privacy rights because everyone is a 'potential' terrorist. What happened to freedom of speach and all that other jazz in the constitution?