Genetic Homosexuals

[Tone]

There is one species of animal, reptilian I believe, which has no males. The females reproduce individually--no copulating or anything. Anyways, I learned this on animal planet and they digressed about man's becoming less fertile. The reason is that the birth control stuff which women take ends up in the sewage; we clean the sewage water and drink it, but the water isn't completely free of the birth control pills or whatever. Women only use about 20% of the hormones so men get 80% estrogen?

Needless to say, I'm paranoid whenever I drink water straight from the tap or a fountain. I try to go with bottled now.

Another digression: male humans have produced milk. FACT. If i find the link i'll give it to you in an edit or something.

If a pregnant woman so much as even handles a broken propecia tablet, the child could have birth defects. it only takes a tiny tiny amount with that male anti hairloss drug. id be worried about THAT in water because of the potency

nice, i can use this in my ethics exam in a couple days (critique of natural law) :up:

Good idea, natural law is a sham, none of it makes any sense whatsoever

[Fit of Rage]

irrelevant, you could feel everything is nothing and laugh while high, or feel like everything is fatalistic and depressing. yes you can have the same exact thoughts and completely different mind states depending on your brain chemistry, talk therapists dont like this fact.

philosophy is completely useless and is the thing that is truly nothing. when you say everything is really nothing, this illusion of everything doesnt change, its still there, a lot of nothing, a lot of relaity, a lot of illusion, a lot of what ever you lable it philosophically. therefore in that statement you just did -- nothing -- other than express one particular thought-based mind state of which their are endless amount. Nietzsche could have just as well woke up one day and have his usual thought of everything being nothing, only with a hit off a crack pipe and concluded for 5 minutes that nothing sure is wonderful.

That was the most non-sensical piece of drivel I have ever had the misfortune of reading.

Funny how you say philosophy is useless when the whole point is to conclude an answer as to a purpose for the existence of anything. Labels aside--think about it this way. Look around you. The computer sitting in front of you, the table next to you, the ceiling above your head, the family that "loves" you, the clothes you're wearing, the air you're breathing, your existence in this little spec of a planet in the vastness of nothing that surrounds it--what's the point? To strive to survive for a few more years and perish within a carbon-based shell while void reigns supreme for all time thereafter?

That is the reason I believe in heaven--it's something to look forward to. But it's just my personal philosophy derived in my personal time. You or anybody else doesn't have to believe a word of it. It would be pretty depressing to dwell on such thoughts and conclude that in the end we all die and that is the end of your existence.

On the bright side, there's always ice cream.

[K2Grey]

Well, the reason why I would say social evolution > genetic evolution is because the latter takes place fairly slowly (unless you're going off punctuated equilibrium, in which even less happens most of the time), while society changes very quickly. If we accept that personality is half genetic and half environment/society, and that society changes faster than overall genetic makeup, then social evolution > genetic evolution.

[Ilya]

remember when this thread didn't suck?

yeah me neither.

[Arikel]

There is no suicide, only no more reproduction/creation. And there is no terrible depression, because there are no more humans with any brains to experience any depression.

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How is that possible to believe something like that? one gene switch and you enter an entirely different world. A few dozen micrograms of a chemical compound swallowed and one hour later the place you were is left far, far behind..many times farther than any change in social situation can create

Lol!! You don't go out a lot...
How can you say that a single gen switch can cause much more transformations then the entire feedback you receive from society and family since you are born, even a change in your neibhorhood would have much more inpact then changing a genome... adenine timine guanine and citosine and is the whole thing about you!!

[Tone]

Lol!! You don't go out a lot...
How can you say that a single gen switch can cause much more transformations then the entire feedback you receive from society and family since you are born,

Because the change in a human's mind state, senses, thoughts, feelings from a single dose of a serious drug (LSD or DMT for instance) is so vast compared to any effect any of any social situation in the world. because schizoprenia could mean contact with a vastly different reality and perception, something that any social situation does not do at all. the difference isnt even in the same level as differences by different social situations, its practically infinitely more because it does things no social affect can even touch

even a change in your neibhorhood would have much more inpact then changing a genome... adenine timine guanine and citosine and is the whole thing about you!!

now this looks weird after what i just typed doesnt it? uhh no? i dont think so? lol i think down syndrome or cerebral palsy or schizophrenia is a slightly bigger difference than a change in someone who moves down the street

[PaulOakenfold]

Do you even know what Nihilism is? How would you feel if you woke up one morning and determined that everything is nothing? Charlatan.

That's why the real nihilists (as seen in Bazarov in Father's and Sons for example) died out in Russia some 100 years ago, it just doesn't work, and contradicts itself in way too many ways.

[Amok]

hehe FRUIT FLY

[Torn Wing]

Nihilism is cute, but terribly depressing. You can't commit suicide either because that would be a definitive act and would subsequently accomplish nothing in the long run.

Enjoy your pointless existence, and remember, down the street not across the road.

Apparently you dont understand sarcasm dickhead.

[Fit of Rage]

Evidently you don't either.

[Torn Wing]

Evidently you don't either.

Considering you defended your point earlier, and mine was an obvious sarcastic statement, you were'nt really being sarcastic.

btw its: "Down the road, not across the street"

[K2Grey]

The effect of a drug tends to be pretty far reaching... it's significantly more than the changing of one gene (granted, this probably depends on what gene gets changed, but half your DNA has dubious use anyway.)

[Tone]

The effect of a drug tends to be pretty far reaching... it's significantly more than the changing of one gene (granted, this probably depends on what gene gets changed, but half your DNA has dubious use anyway.)

Uncertain, yes, but 'Junk' ("junk" DNA) i doubt. I wonder....

[Arikel]

Uncertain, yes, but 'Junk' ("junk" DNA) i doubt. I wonder....

I wonder if you know how diferent the dna from a cancerous cell is from a healthy one!! It's not a simple gen switch i can asure you... and you can still live with a cancerous cell in your organism... and you dont change your life style "dramatically" so that you dont change your color or your sex..

[Tone]

I wonder if you know how diferent the dna from a cancerous cell is from a healthy one!! It's not a simple gen switch i can asure you... and you can still live with a cancerous cell in your organism... and i dont change your life style "dramatically" so that you dont change your color or your sex..

thats physical, imagine a switch that cause a drastic difference mentally.

this might sound all neurosciency and strange when you havent read much on it, but for a hypothetical, imagine if you had a gene that tripled the amount of dopamine receptors and neurons in the pleasure pathways of the brain. In theory such a person would experience much more depth of enjoyment, motivation and pleasure in everything. Research has shown that those depressives who lack motivation and experience terrible, god awful anhedonia and dysphoria have fewer dopamine receptors in this area of the brain. Stimulants, before tolerance and problems, temporarily relieve depression and lack of motivation because they increase dopamine activity in the same area of the brain. what if, instead of drugs, it was genes, and a permanent change without side effects or tolerance?