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  • For those of you who study law or have dealt with citations...

    Today I got my first non-traffic citation/summons. I've never had to appear before a "District Justice" before, so I guess I'm looking for a few tips on how to get out of this scott free.

    What happened:
    I came back from the Penn State football game (we won vs. OSU), it was also the night where my roomate had a party for his gf and another friend, but it was more of just a weekend party.

    This was our first party this semester, where we had the music on so loud.

    I came back around 12:30am to find that no one was there yet. (the game ended at around 11:15, and people were still getting out of traffic) and my roomate told me to get some juice for the drinks. The music was already on at this point. I went to walmart, got the drinks, came back.

    5 minutes after I mixed the jungle juice, 2 police officers came by at first. The first one told me to turn the music off. I replied by saying "but we signed a copy of--" and the second police officer put his hand on my chest and pushed me into my living room, and shouted at me to turn it off. At the time I realized what I said applied to my last apartment complex.

    I unplugged the stereo. I had one roomate with me at the time (out of 4 people total, not the one who wanted the party) who also just got back from the game. The first officer wrote us both "undefined" citations for disorderly conduct that could be up to $300. He said the minimum was $100. He stressed that we were not in Downtown State College, but rather "Patton Township." He also said that they were at the apartment earlier to tell us to turn it off, but no one was there to answer them.

    My "nature of offense" is "Defendant, with intent to cause public inconcenience, annoyance, or alarm - makes unreasonable noise."

    Not arguing with the officers (who were really just hating my guts at the time,) I took the ticket. He warned that if they have to come back he'll arrest my roomate and I.

    My other 2 roomates come back. Starts blasting the music again. I went outside to unplug the thing and tell them that I'll get arrested. THey didn't listen... so as I'm writing this i'm just waiting for the police to come back, if they come back.

    But as of now, I have a citation that I'm going to plead not guilty to. Any suggestions?

    edit: i'm trying to figure this out because if its around 200, i'll fight it. but theres this $50 "collateral" that I have to give to the court... will I get that back? I know theres a $10 fee that I'm not getting back.
    Last edited by Bioture; 10-09-2005, 03:37 AM.
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  • #2
    well
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    i dont understand anything that involves townships
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    • #3
      That sucks

      On a sidenote though, I'm so sad that we lost
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      • #4
        OSU GOT OWNED!!!!
        ha
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        • #5
          You won't get the court fee back no matter what, it's lame but true. I'm not too familiar with your type of case, but if they use the first time one of the cops said turn the music off as your official "warning", then you might be fucked. Depending on what happened (if anything) after the second time your friends kept the music on, you could try to go for the minimum offense, I doubt you'll get out of this scott free.

          -Playing loud music in an apartment complex is a bad idea, playing after midnight is a really bad idea and will get the cops called on you in no time

          -Not saying "yes sir" or something to that effect after the first police officer spoke is a way for them to bs you and say they gave you a warning, but you "resisted" or whatever.

          -If your friends turned it back on and the cops come back, at the very least you're looking at a 300 dollar ticket, they might indeed be in their right to drag you guys to jail, like I said before I'm ignorant of PA laws and so forth.

          I'm not trying to rag on you for what you did or what happened, simply trying to let you know what I think are some factors to how much you're going to have to pay. I don't know if you live on campus or off campus, I only know a little about this subject since my school used to "rent" aparments from an apartment complex close to my school since it's located right next to DC. I say used to because the parties and other stuff that occured (which I know of through friends that lived there) got them all kicked out basically.

          If the campus owns a couple of the apartments you could potentially bs yourself a way out and say that the school never specifically said what times would be bad to play loud music (judge is going to think you're a sly weasel though, but it might work). If you and you friends are paying for the apartments, and your school has no interaction with this whatsoever, then you're fucked. What counts as inappropriate conduct or what is prohibited (aka loud music at night) is somewhere in the stuff you read/signed before you got a lease with them.
          My father in law was telling me over Thanksgiving about this amazing bartender at some bar he frequented who could shake a martini and fill it to the rim with no leftovers and he thought it was the coolest thing he'd ever seen. I then proceeded to his home bar and made four martinis in one shaker with unfamiliar glassware and a non standard shaker and did the same thing. From that moment forward I knew he had no compunction about my cock ever being in his daughter's mouth.

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          • #6
            High-tail it to Canada. They'll never find you here.
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            • #7
              I think that I would take loud music to loud drunk people though.
              Originally posted by Jeenyuss
              sometimes i thrust my hips so my flaccid dick slaps my stomach, then my taint, then my stomach, then my taint. i like the sound.

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              • #8
                citation #P5334623-0 Mr. Hu how do you plead?

                Me: not guilty.

                And why are you not guilty?

                Me: Penn State beat Ohio State. I didn't think you'd expect any less.
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                TelCat> hoes get paid :(
                TelCat> i dont

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                • #9
                  Ok update: the cops didn't come back... we turned the music down somewhat. The messed up thing is there was a party across the street that was LOUD as fuck but they didn't stop. We figured they'd stop them first.

                  And the thing is with apartment parties is that this was in a complex for college students, so these loud music things are frequent.

                  But I am still stuck with the citation they gave me initially.
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                  TelCat> hoes get paid :(
                  TelCat> i dont

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bioture
                    citation #P5334623-0 Mr. Hu how do you plead?

                    Me: not guilty.

                    And why are you not guilty?

                    Me: Penn State beat Ohio State. I didn't think you'd expect any less.
                    BWAHAHA
                    Originally posted by Jeenyuss
                    sometimes i thrust my hips so my flaccid dick slaps my stomach, then my taint, then my stomach, then my taint. i like the sound.

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                    • #11
                      yeah i think youre just going to have to pay it and either come to terms with the fact that you cant play music loud, or just get used to paying citations. those cops sound like particular dicks, given the fact that they lied about coming to the apartment earlier and also used force in a completely unneccesary way.
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                      • #12
                        They may have come: he did say he'd been out at the game/buying juice.
                        They may have come then.

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                        • #13
                          yeah well i'm just gonna wait until tomorrow to call the magistrate and find out how much the ticket really is and does it go on record, and if it does how long.

                          If the ticket dosent exceed 200, and doesnt get on my record, then i'll pay it and just take it as a lesson up the ass.

                          But if its going on my record, and/or the ticket is maxed out, then i'll go to court and plead not guilty. Among the 4 roomies we're all sure that they could not have come once to give us a warning... and the other roomate who started the music said that he'll testify that it wasn't my doing because it was his party.

                          We'll see how it plays out, i guess i'll keep everyone updated.
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                          TelCat> hoes get paid :(
                          TelCat> i dont

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                          • #14
                            Update: I was found guilty, but the judge was kinda lenient and only gave me $100. Though court fees was 118, so 218 total.

                            It's sad that I actually have it and am tempted to just pay... unlike my roomate who's just gonna let it escalate
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                            TelCat> hoes get paid :(
                            TelCat> i dont

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                            • #15
                              althoguh fighting cityhall, especially when they're wrong, seems liek a courageous and strong thing to do, it never works out for you. Pay the fine, knock it up to them being fuckers, and move on. Fighting it leads to nothing.

                              A relative of mine was pulled over for speeding when his wife went into labour a few blocks from the hospital (hense, the no ambulance call). The cop puleld him over, he explained the situation, and the cop gave hima ticket anyways. My relative cursed him, and drove to the hospital at regular speed the rets of the way.

                              he tried to fight it at cityhall, and he refused to pay it, bading bing NO LICENSE anymore.

                              It just doesn't pay, even if you're right.
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