What a homophobic state I live in.

[Liquid Blue]

I already explained that thread once, and if no one cares to listen or read that, I don't really care. I never meant to be racist, and I never tried to imply that the black or white group do under for each other.. wich would be clear if you have read the whole damn thread instead of the first 2 lines. I also stated that I think atm, next to Tom Hanks, the best actors are black in my opinion. The fact is, that there are differences between black and white people, for instance, rythm, music. It's a fact that black people have better rythm and sense of music then caucasians, a skill wich I wish I had. My thread wasn't well thought of, I made it in like 10 min, without really reviewing it and seeing the obvious issue arising. I didn't mean to be racist, nor am I a racist. Anyone that knows me knows this. But as I said, however you think about me, I couldn't give a shit. I explained it and you can hop on the bandwagon and be ignorant, or you don't I couldn't care less. It's sad how people get hung up about 1 thing, but I guess that's life huh. People always like to stress mistakes rather then look at the good side of people. I mean how could people ever have a good side, in this world? You just believe want you want to believe. But, before making an opinion about someone, get your facts straight.

If you don't care so much, why did you write such a long reply? Why even seperate the actors through their race? If you thought there were black actors that were second only to Tom Hanks, why not just use their names instead of making different categories? You're right, your thread wasn't well throught out, although I don't see how you didn't think " best black actors " and "best white actor", would go over smoothly on any forum.

In the kindest words, your thread was just massively ignorant and inappropriate. It isn't ignorant of anyone to think that topic is racist, because it was- and again, there is no bandwagon, it's just common consensus that the topic is racist. As to whether you yourself are racist or not, I don't know and I'm not trying to label you as one. People don't just get hung up on one thing, the way you created that topic was simply a mistake, and a mistake you'll have to deal with- just like us Americans have to deal with shit like

I don't get it, how America sees themself as the Country of Oppurtunity, and the Country of Freedom, when you won't even allow Gay people to be free.

Generalize much? Or do you like to hop on the Anti-American bandwagon and get hung up on one thing (some americans hating gays) and stress our mistakes (bunch us all together at the same time) , rather than looking at the non-homophobic American citizens, the good people of America that don't give a shit if 2 dudes want to marry eachother.

I mean, how could America have a good side, in this world with Bush as our president?You just believe want you want to believe. But, before making an opinion about someone, get your facts straight.

[Kolar]

If you don't care so much, why did you write such a long reply? Why even seperate the actors through their race? If you thought there were black actors that were second only to Tom Hanks, why not just use their names instead of making different categories? You're right, your thread wasn't well throught out, although I don't see how you didn't think " best black actors " and "best white actor", would go over smoothly on any forum.


In the kindest words, your thread was just massively ignorant and inappropriate. It isn't ignorant of anyone to think that topic is racist, because it was- and again, there is no bandwagon, it's just common consensus that the topic is racist. As to whether you yourself are racist or not, I don't know and I'm not trying to label you as one. People don't just get hung up on one thing, the way you created that topic was simply a mistake, and a mistake you'll have to deal with- just like us Americans have to deal with shit like



Generalize much? Or do you like to hop on the Anti-American bandwagon and get hung up on one thing (some americans hating gays) and stress our mistakes (bunch us all together at the same time) , rather than looking at the non-homophobic American citizens, the good people of America that don't give a shit if 2 dudes want to marry eachother.

I mean, how could America have a good side, in this world with Bush as our president?You just believe want you want to believe. But, before making an opinion about someone, get your facts straight.

Why are you cutting him up Liquid? he'll write as much as he needs to explain him self. Some people do not care about a specific thread or argument but still feel threaten or attacked and if I were being called a racist anywhere I'd like to chance to clear myself.

Another thing, this is about the social conservativism of the United States, why bring in other mostly irrelevant issues here? Why jump to the problems of Gall's country? clearly the US's political situaton is of greater significance to you and to the majority of the world then lets say "a place smaller then texas".

America is largely conservative and it's a valid question, why are basic freedoms denied unconstutionally while Americans tend to flaunt their democratic beliefs to the world?

Sure you can say things will change over time but using examples like the blacks or any other minority is poor because of one thing. Religion. Christianity will probably change little in the next few hundred years and as it dominates the social and political astompheres of the US it will continue for sometime to be a second law of the land for most people.

[Liquid Blue]

Why are you cutting him up Liquid? he'll write as much as he needs to explain him self. Some people do not care about a specific thread or argument but still feel threaten or attacked and if I were being called a racist anywhere I'd like to chance to clear myself.

Would you really keep saying " I don't give a shit" every other sentence while you make a paragraph or two about how we don't really know you, and how you are misunderstood? You're right, I might be going at him harshly but this just goes back to whenever I see some random " america sucks " type of comment or generalization of the country over a few idiots. That and his topic was racist to me, I don't agree with it and I'm letting him know.

Another thing, this is about the social conservativism of the United States, why bring in other mostly irrelevant issues here? Why jump to the problems of Gall's country? clearly the US's political situaton is of greater significance to you and to the majority of the world then lets say "a place smaller then texas".

Benno wasn't bringing up an irrelevant issue since Gal was talking about how narrow-minded the US is (I'm paraphrasing Gal, not trying to put words into your mouth). Benno decided to point out the hypocrisy of that statement when the Netherlands has their own shit of this nature to deal with. Unless you want to be nit-picky and say racism isn't the same as homophobia, but I still see them as negative problems for society.

The US's political situation is important to me because I live here, as I'm sure the netherlands is important to Gal, and Canada's is important to you.

America is largely conservative and it's a valid question, why are basic freedoms denied unconstutionally while Americans tend to flaunt their democratic beliefs to the world?

To me, it was a rhetorical question that was worded to poke at the US and not really try and adress the issue. I say this not only because of how the question was worded, but also because of him saying he was glad he lived in the netherlands afterwards. Most Americans that I know don't flaunt their democratic beliefs to the world, what I see is a few internet keyboard jockeys and government officals with big mouths suddenly representing my country and it's citizens to alot of europeans, which is something I disagree with. Just because our president is a dumbass that likes to impress his daddy and inflate his ego by starting wars and crushing and boosting whichever laws he feels like, doesn't mean we are all like that. We all aren't overly religious either, and surprise surprise most people aren't homophobic here, shoot guns every day and badmouth foreigners.

Yes, alot of Americans are spoiled, sure alot of americans are fat and rely on fast-food, and yes some hate gays and shoot guns and read the bible every day. But that's what you're going to get when you have such a huge number of people under one country. Over 70% of texas voted against gay marriage. This is a bad thing, I make no bones about that. But you have to realize that this comes from A) peer pressure, B ) afraid of the unknown (omg if I let them marry, they might start popping up all over the place and that would suck!) and C)afraid of change. Texas (the south in general) is old fashioned and afriad of the unkown, along with change. Add onto this the peer pressure factor and you will get stupid voting results like this every now and then. Like I said in an earlier post, change is coming, it's just slow and coming.

Sure you can say things will change over time but using examples like the blacks or any other minority is poor because of one thing. Religion. Christianity will probably change little in the next few hundred years and as it dominates the social and political astompheres of the US it will continue for sometime to be a second law of the land for most people.

You're right, it will be a second law to alot of southerners, and it's how we wound up with Bush in office and I'd like to think that alot of narrow-minded people used the bible and religion as an excuse to let their homophobia get in the way and vote against gay marriage. I don't think this will last forever though, because alot more religious kids (pandagirl, spider, disliked, 1ight) are not as close minded as their parents, and won't (hopefully) teach their kids to be. I'm not saying PG loves fags now, or that she'll vote for them to get married soon, but eventually I think even Texas will turn this vote around.

[Kolar]

Maybe you're generalizing people who have problems with the US, it's easy to say stick to your own country to this but the United States has global intrests and influence, the truth is people should be concerned about this and everything comming out of conservative America.
Why not discuss the topic with Gall and say that the anti-gay movment does not represent all Americans and not jump on bits of inturpreted information?


US politics intrests me more then Canadian politics personally and I mainly take an intrest in it because we're close allies with the US being 'the' super power of the world, we share culture, history and have simular goals.


It's also a good thing all of those kids have access to the internet. It's becomming harder these days to avoid people with different beliefs and opinions...

[Subjugation]

I like Cherry Garcia ice cream. That stuff is the bomb.

[Galleleo]

LB, Of course I am not talking about every single citizen in America, some of my best friends on this game are Americans, I know not every American is the same, I know that alot of you people are anti-bush etc. But am I supposed to name every damn American that is? "well you know, bush, and the vice-president, and that other dude in parliament, and that one senator... ... and lets not forget Harry from Texas who also is.." The general vibe, consensus, that reaches us from America as a WHOLE, is that you are anti-gay (read you as whole of America but not meaning every damn citizen in america). But fine, for further confusion: The anti-gay part and the ones that voted against gay marriage in America suck in my opinion. And America is a country fails to deliver the rights to the gay society that they deserve, when clearly, America, as a country, has always, from the day of indepence, claimed to be the land of free. Tons of people went to America, because they were free there, they could build a future there.

You just generelized the Netherlands about racism, as if every dutch citizen is racist. (and no I am not getting into that thread again, and if you can't let that go, go cry to your mother about it) And again, we don't have the problems that Benno claims us to have, so I invite him to explain why the Netherlands atm has so much of a bigger problem with racial and religious things then any other western country in the world. We have the same shit going on as England, America, French, Australia, Canada, etc.. the muslims, the terrorist threads. America had 9/11, England had 7/7, We had the murder on Theo van Gogh. So unless Benno can prove otherwise, we don't have any significant problems with racial and religious aspects.

And the whole 2 paragraphs about explaining.. I do not give a shit as I stated, but it would be nice if people got of my fucking back about it and get over it.

Just to make clear: I maybe did use general comments about America, but I never meant that every damn citizen of America was the same bible humping hillbilly. I was refering tho your goverment, or the most important part of it, or however you wanna call it. I was refering tho those against voters, and I was refering to the people who are anti-gay. But America as a Country scrapped gay rights, and how else am I supposed to call it then that America did that? Am I supposed to see. Well see this really small, and unimportant part of America, they are only the ones who govement de country anyway, is against gay people. But that's not important seeing as how the biggest part of America, the citizen are not, so.

[Benno]

LB, Of course I am not talking about every single citizen in America, some of my best friends on this game are Americans, I know not every American is the same, I know that alot of you people are anti-bush etc. But am I supposed to name every damn American that is? "well you know, bush, and the vice-president, and that other dude in parliament, and that one senator... ... and lets not forget Harry from Texas who also is.." The general vibe, consensus, that reaches us from America as a WHOLE, is that you are anti-gay (read you as whole of America but not meaning every damn citizen in america). But fine, for further confusion: The anti-gay part and the ones that voted against gay marriage in America suck in my opinion. And America is a country fails to deliver the rights to the gay society that they deserve, when clearly, America, as a country, has always, from the day of indepence, claimed to be the land of free. Tons of people went to America, because they were free there, they could build a future there.

You just generelized the Netherlands about racism, as if every dutch citizen is racist. (and no I am not getting into that thread again, and if you can't let that go, go cry to your mother about it) And again, we don't have the problems that Benno claims us to have, so I invite him to explain why the Netherlands atm has so much of a bigger problem with racial and religious things then any other western country in the world. We have the same shit going on as England, America, French, Australia, Canada, etc.. the muslims, the terrorist threads. America had 9/11, England had 7/7, We had the murder on Theo van Gogh. So unless Benno can prove otherwise, we don't have any significant problems with racial and religious aspects.

And the whole 2 paragraphs about explaining.. I do not give a shit as I stated, but it would be nice if people got of my fucking back about it and get over it.

Just to make clear: I maybe did use general comments about America, but I never meant that every damn citizen of America was the same bible humping hillbilly. I was refering tho your goverment, or the most important part of it, or however you wanna call it. I was refering tho those against voters, and I was refering to the people who are anti-gay. But America as a Country scrapped gay rights, and how else am I supposed to call it then that America did that? Am I supposed to see. Well see this really small, and unimportant part of America, they are only the ones who govement de country anyway, is against gay people. But that's not important seeing as how the biggest part of America, the citizen are not, so.

I didn't claim you had bigger problems, just that you have them. Saying you're "glad you live in the netherlands and not in there" implies you don't have such problems. I would "get off your back" if stopped trying to condesend other countries for having problems very similar to your own. Your racist thread only came up because you seem to think your shit doesn't stink.

In case you still don't understand why someone would react to your post:

I don't get it, how America sees themself as the Country of Oppurtunity, and the Country of Freedom, when you won't even allow Gay people to be free. It saddens me that people just can't let people be, so what if someone is gay? Who gives a flying fuck, let him be gay.

which would be the same as:

I still don't understand how the Netherlands sees themselves as so liberal and progressive, when racists like Theo van gogh go around inciting hatred twoard muslims. It saddens me that people can't just let people be, so what if their religion is differnt? Who gives aflying fuck, let them practice whatever religion they want.

DO YOU SEE THE CONNECTION NOW?

[Galleleo]

Uhm.. Theo van Gogh wasn't a racist?

Uhm.. We aren't limiting people's rights because they are not caucasian straight christians?

Theo van Gogh wasn't a racist, he just spoke his mind about stuff, like the extreme muslims. He wasn't like: Uhh black people suck.. Uhh Moslims suck.. Woohoo caucasians RULE. He was the same as Hirsi Ali right now is, he was the same as Pim Fortyun, it's not Racist. Because if it was racist why would Hirsi still be in our goverment? I think you have the whole situation wrong and it's not the same.

You (America, not Benno, not Liquid Blue) are LIMITING peoples rights BECAUSE they are different, because they are Gay. WE (netherlands) are NOT limiting peoples rights, the only thing going on here when it comes to what you said, is the same as every other country, fear for attacks, fear for the extreme muslims. And yes there may be some generalization towards muslims, but we aren't limiting their rights for it, they have still have the same rights as every other citizen in the Netherlands. So no it's not comparable at all.

[Theif of Time]

Personally, I fear extremists (fundamentalist) christians more than I fear extremist muslims, but not in the terms of terrorism. I fear the idea of fundamentalism spreading to my country more than I fear us being 'sploded. And in fact, its already here (in small amounts... we have our equivalent of your 'Pat Robertson') and its the fundamentalist grip on government that I fear most.

IMO New Zealand is relatively liberal, although moving further toward the conservative side, which I don't really like.

Although there are probably more people here that fear suicide bombings etc. (you can all say 'told you so' later), but I don't think terrorists will attach New Zealand...

[Galleleo]

I don't think terrorists will attach New Zealand...

Haha that was Funny.

[Theif of Time]

lol, my typo is preserved in the eternity of [quote] tags. Thats what you get for trying to type 'attach to attack' I dunno why it isn't macroed...

At least is wasn't attacj

[Jeenyuss]

Because if it was racist why would Hirsi still be in our goverment?

Cough*HITLER*Cough

[Galleleo]

Hitler was in power, in the goverment, Hirsi Ali is in the opposition.

[Saturn V]

Nevermind.ff

[Lucon]

What a stupid question. Just because he is disgusted by discrimination doesn't mean he is being discriminated against.

Just because I'm not black doesn't mean I don't have an opinion about black slavery.

That shut "Scoop" up