Abortion

[Theif of Time]

Without religion there is no morality.

And don't talk to me about secular humanists, they're just stupid.

I disagree, if you mean morality being the concept of having good and bad.
I'm non-religious, but I still have the feeling that stabbing someone in the face is a 'bad' thing.

[Lucon]

I disagree, if you mean morality being the concept of having good and bad.
I'm non-religious, but I still have the feeling that stabbing someone in the face is a 'bad' thing.

Fine, I guess there IS a sense of morality without religion. But there's definitely no morality based on rationality, and that what really matters.

[syzygy]

still can't imagine an incorrect opinion...it seems oxymoronic.

[froedrick]

Fine, I guess there IS a sense of morality without religion. But there's definitely no morality based on rationality, and that what really matters.

Rationally people with money can aide those without.

[Lucon]

Rationally people with money can aide those without.

It's only rational if it makes the person giving the money feel good, and that's not moral, that's egoistic.

[froedrick]

It's only rational if it makes the person giving the money feel good, and that's not moral, that's egoistic.

no? It's rational if it aides the other person. If I have 100 bucks and I only need 50 of it, I can give the other 50 to someone else out of compassion for their plight. Stop being a pessimist

[Lucon]

no? It's rational if it aides the other person. If I have 100 bucks and I only need 50 of it, I can give the other 50 to someone else out of compassion for their plight. Stop being a pessimist

But if it doesn't make YOU feel good, it's not a rational action at all, since you're just helping someone else for no reason whatsoever, and losing money yourself. You may as well just burn it.

[froedrick]

But if it doesn't make YOU feel good, it's not a rational action at all, since you're just helping someone else for no reason whatsoever, and losing money yourself. You may as well just burn it.

So it's not logical to help others? I wouldn't be of sound mind for Aiding someone else of the human race? It certainly is a rational action.

[Squeezer]

Yes it is unrealistic to expect them NOT to have sex. And Pregnancy can happen even with contraception. And even if they do it responsibly they can still end up getting the girl pregnant.

Are you kidding me?????

How in the fuck is it unrealistic for people to expect 14 year olds to keep their pants on????

Well, in either case, if they're going to make decisions like that, decisions that take the maturity associated with having the mind and emotional state of an adult, then I'm going to treat them like adults. You know what adults do when they fall into a spell of trouble? Real adults face the music, and deal with the consequences.

So if you're going to give these teens, obviously not ready for sex, a cop out so they can do whatever they want without the fear of consequence, then you had better well be ready when murder is accepted into our culture, and people are on these forums talking about how unreasonable it is for 14 year olds to control their hormones and their angst.

[Lucon]

So it's not logical to help others? I wouldn't be of sound mind for Aiding someone else of the human race? It certainly is a rational action.

Not if you don't get anything out of it.

[froedrick]

Are you kidding me?????

How in the fuck is it unrealistic for people to expect 14 year olds to keep their pants on????

Well, in either case, if they're going to make decisions like that, decisions that take the maturity associated with having the mind and emotional state of an adult, then I'm going to treat them like adults. You know what adults do when they fall into a spell of trouble? Real adults face the music, and deal with the consequences.

So if you're going to give these teens, obviously not ready for sex, a cop out so they can do whatever they want without the fear of consequence, then you had better well be ready when murder is accepted into our culture, and people are on these forums talking about how unreasonable it is for 14 year olds to control their hormones and their angst.

If you think for one second that 14 year olds are going to keep their pants on you're dumb. Guys want sex, and girls want to be liked. It happens. Do you believe they think about the maturity associated with sex? No, they do it cause it feels good and so they can brag to their friends. Teens do get a cop out murder btw, they aren't tried as adults because they aren't of adult mind. Why do you think there are age limits on things? Kids aren't supposed to smoke until they're 19 and can 'make that decision for themselves'. Yet surprise, it happens anyways.

[froedrick]

Not if you don't get anything out of it.

ra·tion·al Audio pronunciation of "rational" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rsh-nl)
adj.

1. Having or exercising the ability to reason.
2. Of sound mind; sane.
3. Consistent with or based on reason; logical: rational behavior. See Synonyms at logical.



Main Entry: ra·tio·nal·iza·tion
Variant: also British ra·tio·nal·isa·tion /"rash-n&-l&-'zA-sh&n, -&n-&l-&-/
Function: noun
: the act, process, or result of rationalizing; especially : the provision of plausible reasons to explain to oneself or others behavior for which one's real motives are different and unknown or unconscious


I say aiding someone who has less to be a plausible reason for doing it.

[Lucon]

ra·tion·al Audio pronunciation of "rational" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rsh-nl)
adj.

1. Having or exercising the ability to reason.
2. Of sound mind; sane.
3. Consistent with or based on reason; logical: rational behavior. See Synonyms at logical.



Main Entry: ra·tio·nal·iza·tion
Variant: also British ra·tio·nal·isa·tion /"rash-n&-l&-'zA-sh&n, -&n-&l-&-/
Function: noun
: the act, process, or result of rationalizing; especially : the provision of plausible reasons to explain to oneself or others behavior for which one's real motives are different and unknown or unconscious


I say aiding someone who has less to be a plausible reason for doing it.

Well, you're misguided then, because there's absolutely no logical reason to do that.

[froedrick]

Well, you're misguided then, because there's absolutely no logical reason to do that.

Or you're an asshole and I appreciate life.

[Lucon]

Or you're an asshole and I appreciate life.

I appreciate toilets, but I don't flush money down them. And I appreciate my cat, but I don't grind up money and mix it with her food and let her eat it.