For Texas Hold'em Poker Lovers....a bad beat

[LaG KiLLeR]

Alright, I'm playing a $500 FreeRoll Daily Turbo Tournament. 2,000 people registered for it and everyone starts out with 1,000 chips. For all you guys who know these tournaments, they generally last about 1 hour and 30 minutes. Anyway, it's down to under 300 people, I have the third-fourth-fifth largest chip stack at about 25,000 chips. There's another guy at my table with a little over 26,000 chips. Anyway, 4 people in the hand, I'm in with K-Q offsuit. I bet 9,000, he calls, and two people follow with all-in calls (they have under 9,000 chips). Anyway, the flop comes up Jack hearts, King clubs and 10 of diamonds. I have an open-ended straight draw with the top pair. The guy bets 5,000, and I re-raise him all-in. If he has something, then he'll call, if he doesn't, then he'll fold. But, this stupid ass calls with A-8 of diamonds. On the turn comes a 9 of diamonds, so I hit my straight (K-Q-J-10-9), but he has 4 diamonds and needs one more to catch a flush. Remember, he called an all-in off the flop with jack shit...I don't know what the fuck he was thinking. But on the river, a 4 of diamond pops up and he takes the whole fucking pot...because of a lucky ass river card. He got over 67,000 chips...which was the most at the moment in the tournament. Anyway, I got eliminated around 250th, and this bozo goes on to take 2nd place in the $500 FreeRoll tournament and made $53 dollars. He could of folded every hand until the final table and still placed the top 5 because of his chip stack...and that shit should of been mine. Oh well, it sucks dick but what can you do. Anyway, I just thought I'd tell you guys a little poker story, one of those bad beats to laugh and cry about.

[Facetious]

that sucks

[tahkis]

He had chance to get backdoor nut flush or straight with 13 outs and that's what he got. Tho I guess he didn't have any idea what he was doing and was only hoping to get that queen. Or perhaps pot-odds forced him to call.

[Subjugation]

What were the blinds?

I would tell you to take comfort in getting your money in with the best of it, but it was a freeroll. I'm sure you will disagree, but I have a hard time considering it a bad beat when there was no money lost on your end. Players are going to make lose calls, especially when there's no/low risk involved.

Keep in mind, you say he had jack shit...he actually had an inside straight draw with the A-J-K-T, and it's possible he may have thought you were trying to isolate against the small stacks and push him out. If you had been playing aggressively up until that point, maybe he thought you were bluffing and he thought his ace-high was a winner (although with a board of K-Q-T, that would be a stupid conclusion).

But what's the worst thing about the call he made is he tried to fight it out when two people were going to get knocked out. Most players know when you're in a pot with another person who's all in, everyone stands to benefit to knock the all-in player out. Any 1/2-way decent player will check it all the way, unless they have a hand that will likely win. So if you bet, you'd better have it, or you might be tripling up the short stack.

Yea, that sucks man. Better luck next time.

[Subjugation]

He had chance to get backdoor nut flush or straight with 13 outs and that's what he got. Tho I guess he didn't have any idea what he was doing and was only hoping to get that queen. Or perhaps pot-odds forced him to call.

13 outs? You're not counting the backdoor flush part of your outs, right?

He surely couldn't have been counting his 8's or his runner-runner flush draw as outs with K-J-T rainbow on the board. He had 3 overs, and 4 queens for the nut straight, that's 7 outs, unless I'm mistaken.

He called 9k and bet 5k. That means he has about 10k left, and there's about 40-50k in the pot. Perhaps you're right that he felt pot commited at that point. After all, if the initial raise was 9k, perhaps he felt with only 10k left, his ace-high and inside straight draw stood a chance. Lol, I guess he was right. Sorry, Lag, it still sucks. But in that situation, maybe it wasn't that unreasonable to make that call.

[Edify]

at first i thought your story was going to end with "and then i lagged out". as of yet i'm still confused as to this being irl or online???

holding 67000 chips in neat little stacks ...thats impossible.

[Dealt]

dont think he was playing on the flush?

[Galleleo]

I played this game once, like 2 weeks ago.. and I don't understand jackshit of what you people are saying.. I did win tho.

[NaiLed]

the worst luck I had was with my A3s hand comes a flop to make my flush. the only possible hand that could beat me is a straight flush- he goes all in (dont remember how much, but was a lot) and i call. he flopped the straight flush of course

someone want to work out the odds of that?

i think he held 58s and the flop came 467s

[tahkis]

Oh great, I wrote long reply but accidently closed the tab. I don't even remember what I wrote so long story short:

Freerolls suck. Just like some re-buy tournaments. Nothing but all-ins in the first 1-2 hours (and in rebuy tournies till the rebuy time ends).

Well nowdays I just play STT's, buy-in $5-$10 and sometimes I just want to cry when I see the cards people play.

I love playing against calling stations. You get so much money out of them. But when you hit top pair with bad kicker and he just keeps calling, at least I'm unsure what to do. That situation usually ends on checking.

Also the problem is that people can't get rid of their cards even tho he didn't hit flop or turn. Well perhaps pot odds gives him right to do the call but these are the situations where you hit that top pair with top kicker from river or get those backdoor flushes and straights.

13 outs? You're not counting the backdoor flush part of your outs, right?

I did. Even tho the right move would have been to fold that A8s pre-flop.

I just wonder how big pot was. Pre-flop 9000x2 + 2x (<9000, let's say 7 and 8k) + blinds. So pot is like 35k. After flop he bets 5k and you raise, 11k more. So pot is now 51k. He needs to put 11k more. So you have 18% change on winning. With 4 (or 3 if you think someone has Q) you have only 16% change to hit correct card. 13 outs would mean almost 50% - but that would require both cards hit. Not sure how correct the calculations are. But I believe that guy wasn't really playing with pot-odds nor knew what he was doing.

someone want to work out the odds of that?

Pre-flop it was pretty much coinflip tho you were a small favourite (60-40). And well, he flopped nuts. Tough luck. ^-^

[NaiLed]

yeah, but what are the odds of him having that exact hand post-flop?

[StarKitty]

yeah, but what are the odds of him having that exact hand post-flop?

Fuck all... he was lucky...

[tahkis]

yeah, but what are the odds of him having that exact hand post-flop?

Well generally odds of getting straight flush is something like 1:80000.

Chance of getting exatcly those 3 required cards is 0,0000085% or something.

[Subjugation]

13 outs would mean almost 50% - but that would require both cards hit.

Even if you count the runner runner, it would have been 16 outs: 3 aces, 10 diamonds, and 3 queens (the queen of diamonds would have been counted in the backdoor flush in this example).

But it's bad math to count the runner-runner diamonds as outs. It's mathematically less probable to hit two consecutive cards of a particular suit than it is to hit just one out of four suits.

Therefore, this guy couldn't count the diamonds as outs until he actually made his draw. That left him with 3 aces and 4 queens---7 outs.

Edit: But in reality, we know Lag Killer had one of the queens already, so it was actually 6 outs, but his opponent couldn't have known this.

[tahkis]

...aces...

Ah true I forgot aces totally. So 7 outs, 27% chance on getting one of the cards in turn. So it's correct to call.

Tho of course there's a chance someone would have A with better kicker or open-ended straight draw and ace would give him nut straight. Either way, I would have have folded cards pre-flop and if not, I would have checked after flop and then folded after raise.

And yea, it was stupid to include backdoor flush to odds. After turn that would have been correct but they were all-in pre-turn.