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[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I've got a lot more to say about this, because I think you're full of shit, ratty.

But you've failed to give me a reason why Blue-Ray is going to be some world-changing tech. DVD won out over VHS for lots of reasons, the biggest being:

1) The change from a linear play to a chapter-based indexing.
2) A noticable quality change on any TV it's played on.

There's no huge tech jump between DVD and either of the new technologies. There just isn't. Think of it this way: Joe Sixpack walks into Best Buy, where you are a salesman. What are you going to tell him that's going to make him dump his DVD player in preference of a new Blue-Ray player? Unless he's got a HUGE TV, there's no discernable difference except for the capacity for more bullshit on the disc (and there's already an abundance of bullshit on DVDs).

Just because a new tech comes out DOES NOT mean it will take over an established market. Plain and simple. I've got a stack of DATs, MiniDiscs, Jaz disks, and other paraphenalia that proves that point quite well. It's not ignorance, it's just plain and simple market economics--people don't buy new shit unless there's an obvious advantage over things they already have.

(And please... the word is "gigantic"--if you're going to use it a lot, please spell it right.)

[Liquid Blue]

Shenanigans, faggot! My post came up first so I technically beat you :fear:

Good job sharing the fact and expanding upon it about there being a big difference going from VHS-->DVD and not so much of a diff when it comes to DVD--->Blue-Ray/HD-DVD.

[RATTY...]

And both of you didn't see my main point.

The companies are only after making more money, that's why Blue-Ray and HD-DVD came.

Like I said, DVD is gonna be gone, no matter if you like it or not, some angry consumer like conc and lb isn't gonna change the industry.

Again:
New format = more money for the companies.

Angry consumers whos happy with DVD -> who the hell cares.

EDIT:

Just because a new tech comes out DOES NOT mean it will take over an established market. Plain and simple. I've got a stack of DATs, MiniDiscs, Jaz disks, and other paraphenalia that proves that point quite well.

LOL? Minidisc died long ago, throw the old shit away, I don't see that shit in the shops anymore. That argument was flawed.

[Troll King]

By the time DVDs get phased out in favour of whichever wins between HD-DVD and Blue-ray, this new generation of consoles will also be on its way out, so I don't see that argument having much weight.

[RATTY...]

By the time DVDs get phased out in favour of whichever wins between HD-DVD and Blue-ray, this new generation of consoles will also be on its way out, so I don't see that argument having much weight.

I did mention that Playstation is superiour when it comes to games compared to the others, the talk about having a Blue-Ray player is just an addition.

I just had to stop the talk about DVD not getting replaced by a new format, how ignorant is it to believe something like that.

[Nethila]

overrated. just like FF.

you, my fellow trenchwar player, is a retard.

[Nethila]

DVD of course will still remain the mainstream for now. but blueray and hd-dvd wont be far behind. a few years and dvd will be replaced.

PS3 will cost a hell of alot. If anyone say that ps3 will only cost $400 US is blind. Just a blue-ray dvd player itself right now cost more than 600. throw in the 60g hd that will come with ps3, plus the fact that ps3 is a gaming system, not just a simple blue-ray dvd player. of course, sony will cut the price down, like almost every other console. but dont be surprised if ps3's price is in the range ot $600s.

sony has planned to lose major money on the ps3 console itself, just like M$ did with xbox360, they will get their money from the games. but dont expect them to cut down the price too much.

[returnoftheapt]

That's a sin BIlly, LOL

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

And both of you didn't see my main point.

And you're neglecting ours.

The companies are only after making more money, that's why Blue-Ray and HD-DVD came.

And what I'm telling you is that without widespread consumer backing, new formats DIE. Technically, Beta was better than VHS. Technically, DAT was better than casette tape. Both formats died because they weren't picked up by consumers.

Like I said, DVD is gonna be gone, no matter if you like it or not, some angry consumer like conc and lb isn't gonna change the industry.

Wrong. The consumer (as a whole) ultimately makes the choice, period. It doesn't matter if a company makes 4 billion Widget players--if consumers fail to pick up on ANY new technology, the old technology will prevail. There are shitloads of examples in the current market of this.

Again:
New format = more money for the companies.

But there's a huge asterik at the end of this statement--it's only more money if people actually buy them. Consumers need a REASON to adopt new technology. Consumers are the ones who give the money to the companies. It doesn't just magically appear.

LOL? Minidisc died long ago, throw the old shit away, I don't see that shit in the shops anymore. That argument was flawed.

Are you even listening? That's the POINT. Minidisc was better than all options at the time--recordable digital media. Casette decks were (of course) analog and CD-Rs were prohibitively expensive. For a good two years, Minidisc was the logical choice for people who wanted a high-quality recording medium without paying professional-deck prices. By your logic, Minidisc should have blasted off, and everyone should be using them today. My point is that even though a new technology came out that was technically better than the alternatives, people stuck with older technology until a "clearly better" solution was there.

[Liquid Blue]

By the time DVDs get phased out in favour of whichever wins between HD-DVD and Blue-ray, this new generation of consoles will also be on its way out, so I don't see that argument having much weight.

shh TK, logic train missed this one.

[RATTY...]

Are you even listening? That's the POINT. Minidisc was better than all options at the time--recordable digital media. Casette decks were (of course) analog and CD-Rs were prohibitively expensive. For a good two years, Minidisc was the logical choice for people who wanted a high-quality recording medium without paying professional-deck prices. By your logic, Minidisc should have blasted off, and everyone should be using them today. My point is that even though a new technology came out that was technically better than the alternatives, people stuck with older technology until a "clearly better" solution was there.

I never considered MD to be any revolutionary technology.

You can argue as much as you want. DVD is gonna be replaced.

Come back and look at this thread in some years, and laugh of how stupid you were.

Blue-Ray/HD-DVD, one of them has come to stay.

[Liquid Blue]

I know you're going to ignore this, but his whole point isn't about whether or not it will ever be replaced- he was talking about how silly it was for you to use a new disc format as a positive (and even main) point of the ps3 coming out on top over other systems.

You probably just saw "arrgh negro rage" so I'm going to go eat some pop-tarts.

[Richard Creager]

Personally I find pop-tarts to be kind of disgusting.

[RATTY...]

I know you're going to ignore this, but his whole point isn't about whether or not it will ever be replaced- he was talking about how silly it was for you to use a new disc format as a positive (and even main) point of the ps3 coming out on top over other systems.

You probably just saw "arrgh negro rage" so I'm going to go eat some pop-tarts.

No, I'm just gonna copy and paste what I said 50 posts ago:

I did mention that Playstation is superiour when it comes to games compared to the others, the talk about having a Blue-Ray player is just an addition.

Then you and conc started to talk about how DVD was gonna last forever and never be replaced.

Anyways, was a nice discussion, come back in a few years and look.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

When Ps2 came out, lots were buying it cause it had DVD, and lots will buy it again because it got Blue-Ray.

If this isn't an argument as to WHY PEOPLE WOULD BUY THE THING, I don't know what is.