China will dominate

[RE-Loader]

Pretty cool video, but does anyone seriously believe china will surpase America economically and or militarily?

ha ha ha

[Kim]

Okay I felt the need to have to watch the whole thing before commenting.

Sucks mega donkey dicks.

[Subjugation]

I watched for like 2 min...and then I just couldn't deal with how slow it moved.

But for what I watched: I thought it was fucking hillarious---on the assumption that it was a parody. A parody of what contemporary Chinese Propaganda would be like, when translated badly into Engrish.

[Pressure Drop]

i watched it all

i thought it was funny

and yes it looks like china will be the next big super power but not in my lifetime i don't think and who knows what the future holds?

[Ephemeral]

Pretty cool video, but does anyone seriously believe china will surpase America economically and or militarily?

ha ha ha

Not sure this is the right question. Perhaps the right question is, 'why are people willing to die just to get into the US, while people are willing to die trying to get out of China?'

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All I can say or add to this question is, if you have some money to invest, I would invest in the cellular networks and the telecommunication companies that are starting in China. Think of the amounts of cell phones based upon population that will be sold in the next decade throughout China.

I invested in a two telecommunication companies, 1 in Singapore and the other in the Philippines and have had an 11.08% return on just these two in the last quarter. I can only imagine the monetary returns from investments in China in the next decade.

As for the economic question if they will surpass the West? Most definitely! they are in an industrial revolution and if you have any connection or insight to the construction industry, you will see that raw materials are in a shortage in many parts of the world, due to the demand that is coming from China's building boom. Concrete, Steel, petroleum based products, such as polyester resins & many other materials are in a shortage here in the States, due to the new demand coming from China's economic and industrial growth.

The States as an example, a once highly industrial nation, has very little to show as far as manufacturing compared to 10 - 20 years ago. It is all outsourced now. Corporate HQ's may be in the States, but much of the manufacturing labor if not all in some cases, is no longer a factor or visible within the States.

China is also unleashing their Auto market upon the world. Economically priced, and if made well, will most likely be the downfall of companies like GM who cannot sell a car at the low prices as these new cars from China and most likely GM will not have a car that will be as economical fuel wise as these new exports from China.

China is in a state of economic growth & all I can say is, it would be good to invest in the market when it comes to China's emerging corporate growth!

[genocidal]

China might be growing but they're ages behind the US - at least 30 years. And in 30 years, if they aren't ravaged by a war or something, they'll have a demographic crisis due to their aging population. 3 billion people don't matter if they're old fucking geezers. Plus their government is too fucked up to sustain any real economic growth - they will either have to reform which will probably cause a political crisis or their growth will stagnate because of lack of respect for property rights, a lot of uncertainty in investment, etc. that isn't present in some rising Southeast Asian countries like Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaysia.

[ZeUs!!]

Are you from Spain?

[RE-Loader]

Are you from Spain?

My Father is

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China might be growing but they're ages behind the US - at least 30 years. And in 30 years, if they aren't ravaged by a war or something, they'll have a demographic crisis due to their aging population. 3 billion people don't matter if they're old fucking geezers. Plus their government is too fucked up to sustain any real economic growth - they will either have to reform which will probably cause a political crisis or their growth will stagnate because of lack of respect for property rights, a lot of uncertainty in investment, etc. that isn't present in some rising Southeast Asian countries like Thailand, Indonesia, and Malaysia.

Don't be naive. It only took Bush 4 years to set the States back with a national debt, loss of manufacturing and industry and foreign policy 10 - 30 years, Manufacturing within the States has become a thing of the past. The U.S. does not manufatcure half of what it once did 10 yrs ago. My company is one of a few of a dying industry in the States.... so on the flip side anything is possible.

Working in the manufacturing sector, the worlds suppliers of steel, concrete, petroleum based products, such as polyester resins and matt glass for fiberglass are in a shortage to most of the industrial world in the past 2 - 4 years, due to the increased demand in China with the building and manufacturing that has come about.

They are moving at an astronomical rate in the competitive industrial & commercial markets. China has companies that have made bids to my company, in regards to buying us out! In the market of something simple such as a rotocast material. Home Depot and Lowes carry such items in the garden dept. Look at the planter boxes. The costs that they sell these are cheaper than my company can make them, and yet they are exporting them to the States at a nationwide scale. We could not compete and dropped this from our catalog of what we manufacture and supply.

The days of many workers on a production line are in the past. The new computer driven mechanically operated production lines are here and China is taking advantage of that, especially with markets opening in China such as German owned plants for VW and BMW. IBM is now owned by China.

Don't place any money on it taking 30 years. 20 years is considered a generation as time goes. The baby boom in the States during the 50's, happened in less than 20 years.

[EDIT]: I did not watch the video & I am not against China at all in my posts. Actually it would be natural considering how world economics work within a manufacturing realm. It is natural and would make sense in many ways on a competitive market.

[Jerome Scuggs]

check your facts. i highly doubt manufacturing is down half from 10 years ago. that's called a "depression".

i didn't read anything else, just caught that and my inner-debater flipped out.

got a source for that?

edit: and alot of other assumptions are pretty dubious-

"China is in an industrial revolution" - so what? Seriously, that doesn't mean alot - it's relative. China has a ways to go before they are as technologically advanced as the United States in many aspects. Our Revolution was like, a hundred years ago, so congrats - China's modern, what's the threat?

And based upon analysis of your posts, china isnt industrial-revolutioning, they're buyout-revolutioning. All that's changed is who China buys technology from - 30 years ago, they bought MiG's from the Russkie's, now they buy computer building firms from the US. So yeah, they're teching pretty fast, but not of their own volition - but by stealing from others.

I give china credit for one thing, though. They recently "expiremented" with an entire population, a small village in the middle of nowhere. They released all economic regulations - a pure, capitalist, free market city - and in a very short time, 20-30 years, it grew to bigger than NYC. Perhaps they could economically beat us - if they actually became capitalistic and not socialist. It's sad, though - America and China are 'capitalist' and 'communist', respectively - but both are just muddled, bogged down socialist systems. Several parts of each countries' economies are eerily similar.

[genocidal]

Don't be naive - manufacturing doesn't mean fuckall when we own the manufacturing in Indonesia, Mexico, Thailand, etc.

[deathking]

Don't be naive - manufacturing doesn't mean fuckall when we own the manufacturing in Indonesia, Mexico, Thailand, etc.

u have no idea

[genocidal]

Judging by your previous posts on the forum you apparently don't have much of an idea either.

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Some interesting links in regards to the decline of American manufacturing as well as the ever growing trade deficit.

http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=5078&sequence=0

http://www.nam.org/s_nam/doc1.asp?CID=202537&DID=236606

http://www.bea.gov/bea/newsrel/gdpbyindy_glance.htm

http://www.americanproducers.org/?page=chart

http://www.stoptheftaa.org/artman/pu...icle_138.shtml

http://www.americaneconomicalert.org...sp?Prod_ID=922

http://www.comlinks.com/epid/epid040901.htm

http://www.amconmag.com/08_11_03/cover.html <--American Conservative...not my fav, but was interesting read.

http://www.parida.com/morality16.html

http://www.alternativeinsight.com/So...f_America.html

http://www.americaneconomicalert.com...sp?Prod_ID=873

http://www.americanprogress.org/site...RJ8OVF&b=27975

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/ma...gmpr-m18.shtml

http://www.usw.org/usw/program/content/432.php

I hope these are enough links to give a better understanding of the decline of American Manufacturing as well as the Trade Deficit.