ATTN: foreigners RE: USA

[genocidal]

LOL Canada has 70% of US oil??? Yea fucking right. Maybe you're thinking about lumber.

[gran guerrero]

fuck you all for not acknowledging my aggressive comments filled with unequivocal hatred!

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[Noah]

I'm not talking about being a prick Face, it's the Americanization. I'll not bother to search this, but I'll throw it out: Americans on these very forums has fronted their country more than any other people. Like the 9/11 thread where something that happened in America is to be forced on every subspace player. (Yes, what happened sucked, but what happened would never have been blowed this far out if it had happened in any other country (happened count: 4 including this)). And this, that so many Americans thinks and behaves that everyone give the fuck about anything American event, product, movie, whatever. That is the thing that is annoying me the most.

Then we have the entire global police thingy and war on terrorism. Which I don't even care to get bothered about, because I can just sit around and wank, and that shit will never touch me. And I can't do anything about it either, except devoting my life to changing it, which I don't feel like.

I'm not going to bother to edit my entire post for this, so I'll just add it here:
I don't hate America, or Americans. What I dislike (as previously said) is the constant propaganda. I enjoy alot of American things, like Marlboro, Bud, and some good bands, but the second you throw an American flag on those products and/or add some sort of ultra pro-America slogans/pictures/etc I'll stop using it in a heartbeat and start hating it.

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[Ignominy]

I think that 1/300,000,000 is a small number.

[Facetious]

I mean, just because I have very little political influence doesn't mean that all people do. My vote doesn't count in national elections because I live in a state that votes Republican every year, but occasionally Virginia will elect Democrats on a local level, so there's that. People that live in other states have influence if their state could swing one way or another (that is assuming you believe that the elections aren't rigged, which I wouldn't be at all surprised to find out).

Plus, Noah, look how EVERYONE behaves on these forums. The people on these forums that aren't idiots are mostly jerks and doofuses. That doesn't mean everyone in the world falls into those categories. Well, they kind of do, actually, but that's not my point. The point is, what I see when I read these forums and play Subspace occasionally is that on a global level, everyone (well, everyone in a similar economic group that can afford computers and internet) is pretty similar, although people from other countries tend to be less fat.

edit: Igno, do you think voting is stupid just because of the electoral college, or do you think it's stupid in general?

[Ignominy]

oh, and ignominy, i used to think that way too, but now i think that there's no way that any candidate will align with your political opinions anywhere near perfectly. if making it possible for more than 2 parties to exist is important to you, figure out what might do that, and vote for whoever you think is most likely to make any progress towards it.

I knew I shouldn't have put that in there, because people would miss my point. It's not important, I don't care and I won't make a change, ever. I was speaking theoretically.

"Civil responsibility" is a fun guilt-trip phrase somebody decided sounded good and threw out to try and get smart people to vote even though they know it's stupid. But I think people voting is great, so yeah, go vote.

I will be elsewhere not futiley wasting my time.

[Noah]

Face, I've always liked you, and I do now even more. Your point is a good one, and a well taken one. What boggles my mind is, how can your polictical system be so fucked up? From what you are telling us, it seems like you have don't have much political influence at all. And that is comming from the very same country that flags democracy and freedom for the entire world? There are some major contradictions here, and that's really what the fuzz is for my sake. The constant flagging out of American values, the constant propaganda that you are the greatest, superbest contry in the world. Everyone has their drawbacks, yes, but not everybody is fronting themselves 24/7 over the entire fucking world. This has lead me to choke on it, I'm so filled up with that, that I resent it even more.

There's another reason for my dislike to (some of) your contrymen tho; Look at how they (sometimes) behave on these forums, how the general attitude is.

The () signs is for politcial correct bullshit, but I dont feel like making another post explaining this.

[tugs]

(Chomsky):"If you want to make changes in the world, you're going to have to be there day after day doing the boring, straightforward work of getting people interested in an issue, building a slightly bigger organization, carrying out the next move, experiencing frustration, and finally getting somewhere.That's how the world changes. That's how you get rid of slavery, that's how you get women's rights, that's how you get the vote, that's how you get protection for working people. Every gain you can point to came from that kind of effort-not from people going out to one demonstration and dropping out when nothing happens or voting once every four years and then going home. It's fine to get a better or less worse candiate in, but that's the beginning, not the end. If you end there, you might as well not vote."

chomsky must have been on crack when he said this. weird because i think a lot of what he says is right on.
i've highlighted the people that are completely ignored in this quote. the people that go vote and maybe go to a protest once in a blue moon. Without the approval of a large number of these people, change won't happen. By not voting, you remove yourself from this group of people. I guess my point is that although a true democracy doesnt exist, your opinion is still useful, but only if you express it. go vote, it's your civil responsibility.

oh, and ignominy, i used to think that way too, but now i think that there's no way that any candidate will align with your political opinions anywhere near perfectly. if making it possible for more than 2 parties to exist is important to you, figure out what might do that, and vote for whoever you think is most likely to make any progress towards it.

[Ignominy]

I'm mad at every single American who hasn't exercised their right to vote. What have your turnouts been in the last 4 elections? That's inexcusable when the issues are this important. People with right wing views are more likely to vote, studies have proven this. If the majority of Americans do not approve of their government, every one of them should have been compaigning against the current government.

My vote will never change anything ever in any situation ever ever. It takes a lot of effort to vote, and I never will. It is worthless, and therefore not worth my time.

Ideals and principles can be for the other fools who think they're making a difference.

Democracy is dandy I guess, but deluding yourself into thinking an individual voter can bring about change is silly.

Even if I felt my vote counted or even if it actually did, I still wouldn't have voted because no candidate in my lifetime has appealed to me, and I think voting for the guy you hate the least is stupid and bad because it encourages a two and only two party system.

[Cops]

I'm mad at every single American who hasn't exercised their right to vote. What have your turnouts been in the last 4 elections? That's inexcusable when the issues are this important. People with right wing views are more likely to vote, studies have proven this. If the majority of Americans do not approve of their government, every one of them should have been compaigning against the current government.

You speak like someone who has immense passion and desire in this field, and im going to assume you do.

I agree with Chomsky when he said "If you want to make changes in the world, you're going to have to be there day after day doing the boring, straightforward work of getting people interested in an issue, building a slightly bigger organization, carrying out the next move, experiencing frustration, and finally getting somewhere.That's how the world changes. That's how you get rid of slavery, that's how you get women's rights, that's how you get the vote, that's how you get protection for working people. Every gain you can point to came from that kind of effort-not from people going out to one demonstration and dropping out when nothing happens or voting once every four years and then going home. It's fine to get a better or less worse candiate in, but that's the beginning, not the end. If you end there, you might as well not vote."

Maybe it's just me but you seem like you care more about the votes than the issue, I agree with the above quote (chomsky quote) but I also think it's better to have 20 knowledgeable voters than 200 un-knowledgeable voters.

[Cops]

A lot has to happen in the intermediate, and that's what we're at. If I were countries like Canada and Western Europe I would be more concerned with how you're going to compete with the US and Asia scientifically and industrially in 20 years - but that's another debate entirely.

unfourtunately I can see Canada riding with America for the next twenty years, I can't see us making major steps to actually put any significant funding into any type of military.

I try not to be be a sensationist with it but my view is that this "war on terror" crap isn't just something you can compare to other wars where civil liberties are restored once a clear victor is resolved. Time will tell but when will it happen though? it's subjective to me. Even if Bin Laden is killed and his whole terrorist network is dismantled terorrism will still exist, it's a great rallying point for the Admin. so they won't claim victory for a while, the terrorist are hateful bastards so they won't claim victory until we're dead or converted to islam or scientology, whatever is popular at the time.

I think Clinton made him more of an "idea" than a person, he's been put up as the image for Terrorism and everything that stands against America, but the real question is how do you kill an idea? Even when he's dead, and he will die, either time or gun will end his life but what he stands for to people who hate America will remain. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.