Does religion give people better morality?

[Kolar]

In more secular countries like Canada we've seen more children being born out of wedlock and such. I don't think without religion people are immoral monsters who find nothing wrong with killing, stealing ect... My parents (one Catholic and one Protestant) decided not to indoctrinated me and my brothers into any form of religion or faith as children, though one wanted Catholic schooling. They believed that choosing your religion was an important choice and that teaching a person right and wrong didn't factor into a religious or spiritual education.

Statistically those who have a strong religiosity or ties to families values are shown to maintain less stable environments for their family unit. So no I don't think religion corresponds in anyway to producing more moral or well adjusted people.

The current trend my friend is Athieism the only non free thinkers at the moment are the ones that follow these wishy washy false trends. Athiests believe anything they hear from an old man just because he has a posh english accent talks about "science & evolution" and is on tv pouring out propaganda. If you want to follow the trends and not think for yourself do so but dont say religion brainwashes people when you are clearly brainwashed yourself.

"Atheism" is actually lack of belief in the supernatural. I guess you could call me an atheist, since I do not follow any religion and the magical tea pot in orbit is still using a cloaking device (even though society tends to view it in a bad light). Atheist does not box people into ideologies or world views such as Christianity or other faiths so to your comment about "free thinkers", you I guess as a religious person you are free to think within the bounds that God exist, you can not question his existence, he loves you, he created you and will save you existential ass when the time comes (if you believe, note the word belief). When was the last time you've seen a channel devoted to Atheism or an entirely different religion? We have 2 Christian channels up here on basic cable.

[MetalHeadz]

Hey what about the 60,000,000 million people killed by Communist Russia? They were athiests and so was Nazi Germany. The thing about people killing eachother because of religion is an illusion (catholics muslims are pagans therefore dont count).

Yo, I accept that non-religious people do bad things. What I'm arguing is that religious people do bad things in the name of religion and call them good things.

You want to talk about women being second class etc and then you want to talk about evoltionary psycology LOL?!?! Throughout the history of mankind women have been making babies staying in the home and "second class" this does NOT make them lesser or give men the right to treat them so, diffrent but equal! muslims stone women PAGANS!

I don't know if I ever spoke about evolutionary psychology, nore was I aware that it was a field of study. Once again you remind me of the typical Christian American showing a masterclass in close-reasoning (not even that in this case, you really have excelled yourself). What makes you think that I was arguing anything along the lines of womens roles in society? I was saying that in religious texts women are referred to as inferior and in many fundamentalist cultures women are treated as lessers. See; Islam - Burkas.

Ohhhh, so they only stone women PAGANS! Fuck, my bad. You're actually wrong but I still wanted to ridicule how proposterous that argument was.

The current trend my friend is Athieism the only non free thinkers at the moment are the ones that follow these wishy washy false trends. Athiests believe anything they hear from an old man just because he has a posh english accent talks about "science & evolution" and is on tv pouring out propaganda. If you want to follow the trends and not think for yourself do so but dont say religion brainwashes people when you are clearly brainwashed yourself.

Is that right Ronn? I was brought up vaguely christian but through my independence I learnt that it was absurd to think this way. I don't have stats to hand but it's been proven that Athiests are generally more intelligent people and less gullible than those who are religious. 9/10's of all religious people are the religion of their parents, coincidental eh? The very nature of Athiesm requires the Athiest to think clearly, it's not really a sect that really tries to convince anyone unlike religion.

I find it absurd how you can say that Athiesm is 'wishy washy'. I'm sorry that you're so misinformed. What's more 'wishy washy' believing that a God created the Heaven and the Earth on one day, Light on the second, Animals on the third etc etc. What's more 'wishy washy' than the Holy Trinity?

Guess how the Bible claims God created man and women? Yes, he created man out of dust and he made women out the man's rib. Oh damn, another sexist reference and oh damn yet another 'wishy washy' explanation.

I'm sorry if you think that believing in a rational explanation is 'wishy washy', I'm also quite offended that you would say that Athiests promote propaganda. I would think if there was one sect of people out there who would be least susceptable and least likely to use propaganda it would be Athiests. The facts speak for themselves Ronn, we don't need wishy washy theories like you, son.

Live in your imoral world, please help it "evolve" eventhough its going backwards...have fun in hell!

Lol, have fun living your life thinking there's an afterlife to find out you wasted your whole fuckin' life arguing and believing a false and illogical premise - oh and lookin' like a cunt on the way.

1 John 4:7, 11-12

Love not the world neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the father, but is of the world.

Damn, I disagree completely. You're effectively saying don't admire the world in all it's beauty - admire something that doesn't even exist. What a superficial and uninspired life you must live.

[a21ozcoldcup]

Hey what about the 60,000,000 million people killed by Communist Russia? They were athiests and so was Nazi Germany. The thing about people killing eachother because of religion is an illusion (catholics muslims are pagans therefore dont count).

You're saying 60,000,000,000,000 people were killed by the Russians?

[MetalHeadz]

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Hey what about the 60,000,000 million people killed by Communist Russia? They were athiests and so was Nazi Germany. The thing about people killing eachother because of religion is an illusion (catholics muslims are pagans therefore dont count).

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You're saying 60,000,000,000,000 people were killed by the Russians?

Lmao, hilarious. That's more than the current population of Earth.

[MetalHeadz]

"Atheism" is actually lack of belief in the supernatural. I guess you could call me an atheist, since I do not follow any religion and the magical tea pot in orbit is still using a cloaking device (even though society tends to view it in a bad light). Atheist does not box people into ideologies or world views such as Christianity or other faiths so to your comment about "free thinkers", you I guess as a religious person you are free to think within the bounds that God exist, you can not question his existence, he loves you, he created you and will save you existential ass when the time comes (if you believe, note the word belief). When was the last time you've seen a channel devoted to Atheism or an entirely different religion? We have 2 Christian channels up here on basic cable.

Good point Kolar :bigups: I liked the teapot reference too, not sure if many people will follow

[Mythrandir]

The question was posed in Richard Dawkins' most recent publication,' The God Delusion' and I'm wondering what people think.

Note, this isn't the typical 'Science vs. Religion' debate, it's more about the wider social impacts of religion.

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Lol, have fun living your life thinking there's an afterlife to find out you wasted your whole fuckin' life arguing and believing a false and illogical premise - oh and lookin' like a cunt on the way.

I was brought up vaguely christian but through my independence I learnt that it was absurd to think this way

You're actually wrong but I still wanted to ridicule how proposterous that argument was.

Lmao, hilarious. That's more than the current population of Earth.

Are you sabotaging your own thread, or was it never your intention at all to have a meaningful discussion?

[genocidal]

Homosexuality is forbidden and punishable by death in Christianity and Islam.

I only read this one sentence of your post and I'm glad this is the random one I happened to read so I knew not to read anything else.

[Liquid Blue]

Teenagers rebelling against their religious upbringing never grows out of style on the internet

[D1st0rt]

The principles and values that lead people to what we'll call better "morality" are independent of religion. Participation in an organized (or unorganized for that matter) religion does not make you a good person. That being said, religion can be an effective delivery mechanism when correctly utilized. What often happens is that people get so caught up in a religion (Christianity is a prime example of this) that they lose sight of what that religion is actually trying to convey.

Ultimately, we are all as "good" as we choose to be.

[DoTheFandango]

WHY DOES THIS SHIT KEEP HAPPENING.

Stop trying to have intelligent conversations on a video game board.

I H8 U JESUES.

[Squeezer]

Teenagers rebelling against their religious upbringing never grows out of style on the internet

just like acting black on the internet.

I'm on to you

[Cops]

My countries laws were founded by Christian laws, but then again I'm really down with fucking girls in the ass and buying worthless crap on Sundays.

here's your essay, Although countries existing in the western world were created on the foundations of Christian laws they have evolved secularly to develop new laws that are more modern and reflect our current society.

1) Theocracies allow a traditional way of thinking, which is not always bad but it doesn't always allow for progress within the given society. (examples Iran, the Iran U.S incident, banning music, dancing, anything associated with the western world etc)

2) We are socialized at a young age, primarily from our parents to believe in simple things such as right and wrong thus religious laws are no longer a necessity in the western world (common knowledge that we are mainly socialized by our parents, some other books from some dead dude)

3) Christian and even Muslim laws are based of books and texts from thousands of years ago and they do not reflect our current beliefs, values, or ideologies. Religious laws are bias towards men and do not talk about the value of women in society, minority rights become a huge issue in most theocracies (only theocracy left is Iran, and I'm not even 100 percent on that one) use examples from the bible of how god created women to be the men's 'helper' or the Koran which says flat out that a women's worth is half of a mans.

[Cops]

now that I think about it this is a terrible thread.

[Epinephrine]

Wow telcat didn't post this thread first!

[MetalHeadz]

vs.

Are you sabotaging your own thread, or was it never your intention at all to have a meaningful discussion?

grr, yea sorry - I did get a bit sidetracked by Ronn. I apologise. Had nothing more productive to say on the matter?