Proof the Bible is Garbage?

[gran guerrero]

You know, I always thought women were getting the bad end of the deal in the middle east. I always asked my mom if she ever felt inferior and trust me (she's not one to give a brain washed answer as she's often times the head of the household). She always told me back in Iran that her father treated her and her sisters like princesses; as well as other fathers she knew from school. She only complained that the government/fundamentalist people and maybe a school teacher was ever obsessive over the head dresses the girls ever had to wear. Yes her marriage was arranged, but parents choose only the best of candidates for their daughter (her sisters weren't arranged, only hers because they wanted to ensure she found someone being that the times in Iran were getting a little harsh after the revolution). My mom never had any problems with any of it. I thought she was naive at first, but looking at American history, even European history. Women were surely more mistreated by practically everyone. More women here are raped and abused by their fathers/other family members or false friends (shawls/head dresses were actually implemented in Iran to protect women from soldiers raping them from foreign lands). Parents treat their sons with more regard whereas the daughter was bred to be a mother and a housewife (Just because a middle eastern woman wasn't offered jobs didn't mean they weren't treated royally by their own families. My grandparents treated their daughters with more regard than their sons who they had to actually work hard to earn something in the cruel world whereas the daughters were pampered with things that came to them.) Women didn't get their rights until what like 1927 here in America? Is gender discrimination not around anymore (If you are not sure, the answer is no. It's still around)? Weren't women that actually had a right mind, or had ambitious qualities considered a temptress/vixens/witches? Some were jailed, burned and beaten to death for these reasons.

Times have changed for the better for women though, they're finally getting some deserved respect here albeit some had to achieve in ways that they probably had to do something sexually to earn a spot at the top. I'm not saying that middle eastern women didn't have it rough either, but fuck I think everyone needs to realize the shit they put their own women through before they criticize what the middle east has done just because they have to cover their faces. Stop telling everyone why they're fucked up because in truth you yourself (speaking to every country in general) have some fuck ups that you don't want to talk about.

In conclusion: Fix your own faults first or just shut the fuck up.

[Vatican Assassin]

You know, I always thought women were getting the bad end of the deal in the middle east. I always asked my mom if she ever felt inferior and trust me (she's not one to give a brain washed answer as she's often times the head of the household). She always told me back in Iran that her father treated her and her sisters like princesses; as well as other fathers she knew from school. She only complained that the government/fundamentalist people and maybe a school teacher was ever obsessive over the head dresses the girls ever had to wear. Yes her marriage was arranged, but parents choose only the best of candidates for their daughter (her sisters weren't arranged, only hers because they wanted to ensure she found someone being that the times in Iran were getting a little harsh after the revolution). My mom never had any problems with any of it. I thought she was naive at first, but looking at American history, even European history. Women were surely more mistreated by practically everyone. More women here are raped and abused by their fathers/other family members or false friends (shawls/head dresses were actually implemented in Iran to protect women from soldiers raping them from foreign lands). Parents treat their sons with more regard whereas the daughter was bred to be a mother and a housewife (Just because a middle eastern woman wasn't offered jobs didn't mean they weren't treated royally by their own families. My grandparents treated their daughters with more regard than their sons who they had to actually work hard to earn something in the cruel world whereas the daughters were pampered with things that came to them.) Women didn't get their rights until what like 1927 here in America? Is gender discrimination not around anymore (If you are not sure, the answer is no. It's still around)? Weren't women that actually had a right mind, or had ambitious qualities considered a temptress/vixens/witches? Some were jailed, burned and beaten to death for these reasons.

Times have changed for the better for women though, they're finally getting some deserved respect here albeit some had to achieve in ways that they probably had to do something sexually to earn a spot at the top. I'm not saying that middle eastern women didn't have it rough either, but fuck I think everyone needs to realize the shit they put their own women through before they criticize what the middle east has done just because they have to cover their faces. Stop telling everyone why they're fucked up because in truth you yourself (speaking to every country in general) have some fuck ups that you don't want to talk about.

In conclusion: Fix your own faults first or just shut the fuck up.

sounds like someone needs to be liberated and doesn't even know it!

[gran guerrero]

sounds like someone needs to be liberated and doesn't even know it!

Come on down to South Florida, because obviously living in America for the past 23 (19 for me) years, hasn't liberated us at all.

[Cops]

You know, I always thought women were getting the bad end of the deal in the middle east. I always asked my mom if she ever felt inferior and trust me (she's not one to give a brain washed answer as she's often times the head of the household). She always told me back in Iran that her father treated her and her sisters like princesses; as well as other fathers she knew from school. She only complained that the government/fundamentalist people and maybe a school teacher was ever obsessive over the head dresses the girls ever had to wear. Yes her marriage was arranged, but parents choose only the best of candidates for their daughter (her sisters weren't arranged, only hers because they wanted to ensure she found someone being that the times in Iran were getting a little harsh after the revolution). My mom never had any problems with any of it. I thought she was naive at first, but looking at American history, even European history. Women were surely more mistreated by practically everyone. More women here are raped and abused by their fathers/other family members or false friends (shawls/head dresses were actually implemented in Iran to protect women from soldiers raping them from foreign lands). Parents treat their sons with more regard whereas the daughter was bred to be a mother and a housewife (Just because a middle eastern woman wasn't offered jobs didn't mean they weren't treated royally by their own families. My grandparents treated their daughters with more regard than their sons who they had to actually work hard to earn something in the cruel world whereas the daughters were pampered with things that came to them.) Women didn't get their rights until what like 1927 here in America? Is gender discrimination not around anymore (If you are not sure, the answer is no. It's still around)? Weren't women that actually had a right mind, or had ambitious qualities considered a temptress/vixens/witches? Some were jailed, burned and beaten to death for these reasons.

Times have changed for the better for women though, they're finally getting some deserved respect here albeit some had to achieve in ways that they probably had to do something sexually to earn a spot at the top. I'm not saying that middle eastern women didn't have it rough either, but fuck I think everyone needs to realize the shit they put their own women through before they criticize what the middle east has done just because they have to cover their faces. Stop telling everyone why they're fucked up because in truth you yourself (speaking to every country in general) have some fuck ups that you don't want to talk about.

In conclusion: Fix your own faults first or just shut the fuck up.

I actually liked your post, it's interesting to see someone's take on the middle east who has family that lived there. My main problem with people is that they forget that there's a lot of religious fanatics here and also there, the problem is that religion is a bigger issue there where as today most people don't really care what you are. There's no separation of church and state in Iran, thus religious laws are intensified, which makes it a lot worse than living in America. I also believe that Iran has a large population of people that are nothing like the religious leaders who implement harsh laws on these people, I believe the seed of democracy is already in Iran and things can only get better with time. I really hope Iran stays off the American agenda.

[gran guerrero]

I actually liked your post, it's interesting to see someone's take on the middle east who has family that lived there. My main problem with people is that they forget that there's a lot of religious fanatics here and also there, the problem is that religion is a bigger issue there where as today most people don't really care what you are. There's no separation of church and state in Iran, thus religious laws are intensified, which makes it a lot worse than living in America. I also believe that Iran has a large population of people that are nothing like the religious leaders who implement harsh laws on these people, I believe the seed of democracy is already in Iran and things can only get better with time. I really hope Iran stays off the American agenda.

prohibition was a problem in the states at one point, but people still found ways to drink and have fun.

Just cause the media isn't reporting it in Iran doesn't mean the people aren't finding ways around islamic rule. Yes it makes certain things hard (they didn't allow my mom into college because she couldn't recite certain things from the qu'ran -- or anyone else of that matter) but people still find ways to deal with it and still not care when no ones watching. The war on drugs is ridiculous here and it takes away the rights of many, but we still smoke weed. the same with the iranian people and everywhere else for that matter. Everyone has shit leaders. people still find ways to live their lives.

I suggest watching current news on google tv that al gore runs. There is a persian reporter (she's kind of hot if i might add) that does undercover documentaries of life as a youth in Iran. It's really interesting sometimes. She took the camera to a secret party where people were drinking, smokin weed and doing ecstacy just like any other american youth. people need to stop listening to the corrupt media and politicians that only talk about how bad the country is just because the leadership is bad. the same goes for them. (just cause we added Free in front of everything here doesnt make it free.)

[paradise!]

It's funny how I just posted this

I use to be an atheist but as I matured my stance changed from 'there's no god' to 'there might be a god', I guess if I can' prove either then sitting on the fence allows me the ability to not say yes or no. I know overwhelming amount of people who label themselves as Christians and Catholics yet they're far from it, they might believe in god but that's as far as it goes. I know what it's like to be labeled an atheist and get shit on from religious people (I was suspended several times in grade 9-10 for wearing a bad religion shirt that has a slash through a cross). It was a band shirt first and forth most, but even though it was a public high school the teachers were still keen to make it an issue. The school was predominantly Muslim, royst apparently went there and can attest to the amount of religious and racial influence that school has.

It's idiots like you that label atheists as people who try to discredit gods existence, most atheists don't believe in god and really don't give a fuck what you believe.

listen moron, your hostility is getting you nowhere, Bad religion is by far one of my favorite bands (im being dead serious), but i am however religious seeing as how i don't take their lyrics for anything, just that they may sound cool. Oh yes while we're on the topic, Broken is an excellent song, American jesus, Suffer, Do what you want, Flat earth society, atomic garden.

Back to what i was saying, it was just my ideas on the topic, what would need you to get all hyped up? i just thought that kolar didnt understand what i was saying but apparently he was so i recognize what he is trying to say about what i said.

What hypocrisy? I'm not religious, I think all major religions even the bible have shady views towards other people and mainly women. The only religion I'm not a hundred percent sure on is Buddhism. That's a lame ass excuse, there's no possible way of translating it into English, there might be words I don't understand but the general meaning can be translated and still attained from quotes such like these. Re-read the last 8-10 quotes I posted and tell me how someone couldn't misinterpret their direct meaning.

Its the omnisciency all religious texts are the vaguest things ive ever read theres no way they can possibly tackle a single topic in the whole book

I actually liked your post, it's interesting to see someone's take on the middle east who has family that lived there. My main problem with people is that they forget that there's a lot of religious fanatics here and also there, the problem is that religion is a bigger issue there where as today most people don't really care what you are. There's no separation of church and state in Iran, thus religious laws are intensified, which makes it a lot worse than living in America. I also believe that Iran has a large population of people that are nothing like the religious leaders who implement harsh laws on these people, I believe the seed of democracy is already in Iran and things can only get better with time. I really hope Iran stays off the American agenda.

You have to know that you were wrong on the issue of Women. i just don't see why you didn't believe me.

[Vatican Assassin]

i just thought that kolar didnt understand what i was saying but apparently he was so i recognize what he is trying to say about what i said.

TW FORUMS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Kolar]

My thoughts exactly. 1500 mg of Tylenol, good night forum.

[Vatican Assassin]

listen moron, your hostility is getting you nowhere...

better make it 3000 mg

[Cops]

prohibition was a problem in the states at one point, but people still found ways to drink and have fun.

Just cause the media isn't reporting it in Iran doesn't mean the people aren't finding ways around islamic rule. Yes it makes certain things hard (they didn't allow my mom into college because she couldn't recite certain things from the qu'ran -- or anyone else of that matter) but people still find ways to deal with it and still not care when no ones watching. The war on drugs is ridiculous here and it takes away the rights of many, but we still smoke weed. the same with the iranian people and everywhere else for that matter. Everyone has shit leaders. people still find ways to live their lives.

I suggest watching current news on google tv that al gore runs. There is a persian reporter (she's kind of hot if i might add) that does undercover documentaries of life as a youth in Iran. It's really interesting sometimes. She took the camera to a secret party where people were drinking, smokin weed and doing ecstacy just like any other american youth. people need to stop listening to the corrupt media and politicians that only talk about how bad the country is just because the leadership is bad. the same goes for them. (just cause we added Free in front of everything here doesnt make it free.)

Oh no I completely agree, people are getting around these laws. The countrie is made up of two thirds of people under 25 who are for sure going to be having fun and doing these types of actions. I honestly believe there's a seed of democracy in Iran, I believe that it will one day be able to overcome it's religious laws and pave the way for a more secular set of laws. Just like one day maybe our own countries will overcome the problems we face.

The media pegs this society completely wrong, I honestly do not for a second believe that half of these people believe in these harsh and rigid laws they have to face, when a society abides by laws that the majority does not agree with there is bound for change to be made. Like I said I truly hope that Iran stays off the neo-con political agenda.

[gran guerrero]

Oh no I completely agree, people are getting around these laws. The countrie is made up of two thirds of people under 25 who are for sure going to be having fun and doing these types of actions. I honestly believe there's a seed of democracy in Iran, I believe that it will one day be able to overcome it's religious laws and pave the way for a more secular set of laws. Just like one day maybe our own countries will overcome the problems we face.

The media pegs this society completely wrong, I honestly do not for a second believe that half of these people believe in these harsh and rigid laws they have to face, when a society abides by laws that the majority does not agree with there is bound for change to be made. Like I said I truly hope that Iran stays off the neo-con political agenda.

one thing American media doesn't like to say is that Iran was on the verge of a democratic government before the revolution in Iran occurred. Prime Minister Mossadegh was bringing democracy into Iran, but his anti-imperialist views got him assassinated by USA CIA and British secret service. All because he was tired of these countries mooching off the Iranian Shah's power and oil services. America wants democracy in the middle east, yet they crushed it when it was growing in the first place. They only plant the seeds of their own destruction (same with CIA agent Osama Bin Laden leading the taliban revolt against the Commies invading Afghanistan; giving Sadaam Hussein military power against the then Iranian Islamic power. Anyone read the Kite runner? The part where afghanistan is in shit because of the power the taliban got. Yeah well Iran was going to destroy that power long before they even got it when they decided it was cool to kill a bunch of Iranian diplomats and behead the drivers that carried them. Iran's government lined up a row of tanks ready to declare war, but in fear of losing the Middle East to Communists and a Iranian super power, the USA begged and pleaded with the UN to stop Iran from declaring war against the Taliban.) Yeah, so if you want America to stop terrorism in the middle east, then maybe they should stop creating it.

[HeavenSent]

Yeah, so if you want America to stop terrorism in the middle east, then maybe they should stop creating it.

Absolutely!
But they won't stop until they can control it for their own pleasure & profit, and no one has to power to stop them.
P N A C ftw...

[Lucian the Mad]

uh, actually, satan created hell and earth, and he was a libertarian and was like "ok whatev, let them be"

then this dick named god, he was an angel, he's all "oh come on let's make them fear us! we will be adored forever!"

satans like fuck you, commie, and throws him down to heaven

so god sits in heaven and mulls over his quest for world domination

and he realizes humans are still incredibly naive, primitive, superstitious, and stupid.

so he comes up with a fantastic idea: the BEARDED MAGICIAN. a fancy guy in fancy robes with a few clever tricks, who will claim god is awesome and we should aim for heaven, by being altruistic; if you are "evil" by being "selfish", you will burn in hell. no matter that whenever God comes down to earth he's usually a total selfish dick, like hogging the fruit of knowledge and killing people he saw as "different"

and boy, we fell for it hard

meanwhile, satan's chilling up in hell, waiting for his Children to join him in eternal peace - a hella-awesome couch in front of a hella-big plasma TV with all the best gaming consoles, and even a coffee-table with hell-grade weed and a hookah, and he's sad because noone's there

Read Paradise Lost, much? :P

[Cops]

one thing American media doesn't like to say is that Iran was on the verge of a democratic government before the revolution in Iran occurred. Prime Minister Mossadegh was bringing democracy into Iran, but his anti-imperialist views got him assassinated by USA CIA and British secret service. All because he was tired of these countries mooching off the Iranian Shah's power and oil services. America wants democracy in the middle east, yet they crushed it when it was growing in the first place. They only plant the seeds of their own destruction (same with CIA agent Osama Bin Laden leading the taliban revolt against the Commies invading Afghanistan; giving Sadaam Hussein military power against the then Iranian Islamic power. Anyone read the Kite runner? The part where afghanistan is in shit because of the power the taliban got. Yeah well Iran was going to destroy that power long before they even got it when they decided it was cool to kill a bunch of Iranian diplomats and behead the drivers that carried them. Iran's government lined up a row of tanks ready to declare war, but in fear of losing the Middle East to Communists and a Iranian super power, the USA begged and pleaded with the UN to stop Iran from declaring war against the Taliban.) Yeah, so if you want America to stop terrorism in the middle east, then maybe they should stop creating it.

That's exactly why people question 'their' intentions. If freedom and democracy has been actualized and almost implemented then why haven't countries let them attain their own freedom. Because the freedom they want isn't the kind of freedom we want to give them.

I think we can all agree that regardless of the Republican's website quoting that peace and safety has been provided to millions in Iraq that realistically removing Hussein has paved the way for warlords to roam the country as soon as the U.S leaves. Iran is closer to becoming a democracy than Iraq ever was, that's why if the U.S attacks them it's their fault the country has to spend years and years trying to repair the damage a military take over has caused. Izor claims that America did nothing to provoke 9/11 but I beg the differ, I do not say these actions were 'justified' or that it was appropriate but looking at America's foreign policy it's no wonder countries want to take out their aggression on America. Was it justified no, was it wrong? Yes, did America play any part in causing this to happen, absolutely.

[MetalHeadz]

I agree 100% with Kolar and Cops (not that either of them will appreciate this).

Definitions:

Atheism: No belief in a divine creator or personal god.
Theism: Belief in a personal god who answers prayers and who also made the universe.
Deism: Belief in a god who may have initiated or sparked the creation of the universe but who plays no active role in the running of our lives.
Religion: Belief in a personal god (monotheism atleast) with a set of doctrines and codes of living implicitly attached. Such codes of living supposedly represent the will of the celestial dictatorship they bow down to.

Ok, so I ask you paradise which one of these belief systems leaves the greatest amount of scope to do bad things? I'd say religion. Atheism has no moral baggage, indeed you can be paedophile and be Atheist but you wouldn't be a paedophile BECAUSE you were atheist. Indeed, the same applies for Deism and Theism - although belief in a God could inspire some to act with a greater sense of authority.

But religion is different. It's not just a philosophical outlook on life, it's a moral code aswell. Evil things can be commited in the name of (and justified by) religion or more accurately religious philosophies. Now fortunately Christianity and Judaism have gone through some level of reformation or 'enlightenment' meaning they have to compete in a world of democracy and science. You could say that the bad things about these religions have been somewhat toned down - i.e. the old testaments stories of rape, genital mutilation, human sacrifice, mass murder, sado-masochism and pillaging have been conceptualised and interpreted more as anologies for something else. Even the new testaments vehement dislike of homosexuals and assertion of womens inferiority has been swept under the carpet of religious liberalism.

However, there's one religion which hasn't gone through any form of reformation which is Islam. Hardcore religion here, let's have a look at Shariah law:
death to infidels
death to homosexuals
death to anyone who converts from Islam to a different religion
death to adulterers
no women allowed outside without men
no women allowed to drive
women inheritance is 50% of a man
women have 50% of a mans authority as a witness in court

Hardly the peaceful, fairhanded, loving, respectful religion that Islamic moderates would have us believe. And people wonder what drives these kids to blow themselves up...

Now let's have a look at the Qur'an; Jihad-the spread of Islam by the sword if necessary. Taking this point a bit further, can you see how such a notion can enable someone to act in an extreme and potentially heinous way? Anything goes.

I would argue that all of these evils would not exist without religious dogma and the legitimacy gained from scripture. Atheism has no such scripture and no such dogma, it simply necessitates the disbelief in God as a philosophical premise. Anything done by an Atheist other than professing their disbelief in God would NOT be done as an Atheist. Similarly with a strict theist - there is nothing inherent in the idea of God which is good or bad.

It's fucking religion which is the baddy and mainly fuckin' Islam. How many more suicide bombers are their going to be, blowing themselves and innocent people up? How many more wrongly convicted rape victims will be sentenced to lashing under the Saudi Wahhabists? How many more women and homosexuals will live constrained to the restricted rights in which they are indefinitely bound? How many more members of congress will oppose abortion, stem cell research and homosexual marriage?

Grr