Proof the Bible is Garbage?

[gran guerrero]

God damn mhz, you opened my eyes. I didn't realize now that my family has been dead all this time?

Next time you want to pull out some radical facts about the religion of Islam, go do us all a favor and just shut up. You want to attack religion because your Atheist, fine by me, but don't attack people's faiths and bring up ridiculous facts that you've seen from some fanatical followers and hearsay.

[MetalHeadz]

...but don't attack people's faiths and bring up ridiculous facts that you've seen from some fanatical followers and hearsay.

Ridiculous facts? Which one is ridiculous? Tell me this and I will hope to prove to you otherwise. Don't try and fob me or my opinions off as being 'fanatical' either, it's just inaccurate. I'm not fanatical, I'm a student talking on a forum.

[gran guerrero]

Everything you stated is a fanatic view of Islam, that only radicals follow like Taliban and hezbollah. The same way other radicals feel in Christianity and Judaism. Please keep your obviously biased view of religion (which I don't believe in, I'm deist as you defined it) to yourself. I don't mind what you have to believe in but you insult my father and family's faith with your ridiculous observation of how the religion is.

You know I don't agree with a lot of arguments my father and I have over religion, but I do agree on one thing. Those who want to criticize people's religion might want to read the book before you knock it. It's designed as moral guidelines in how people should live their lives righteously, but there are people out there that misinterprets certain lines of text and make up absurd understanding of it themselves.

If women weren't allowed outside their homes then uh you would never see women in the first place. Don't give me that stupid shit, don't give me stupid shit you heard from some website on how they criticize Islam or how radicals live. Before you say something about religion is wrong and done so much damage to world (in certain cases yes I agree), don't generalize everyone in the same category. Atheists don't want to be put in the same category as criminals, murderers and pedophiles. So don't put religious people in the same category as those who misinterpreted what religious books has said in result creating crimes to humanity themselves.

[Cops]

Gran, I don't agree with everything he says (religious people are not genuinely bad people) but he's right about the the harsh laws and women being treated like second class citizens.

I can agree with you that Iran needs to solve it's own problems without American invasion and that the people of Iran want democracy, but I also believe these harsh laws exist and do not reflect a majority of the population.

[MetalHeadz]

Everything you stated is a fanatic view of Islam, that only radicals follow like Taliban and hezbollah.

This is entirely inaccurate. People who advocate the literal truth of the Qur'an conform to the ideas that I postulated earlier.

The same way other radicals feel in Christianity and Judaism. Please keep your obviously biased view of religion (which I don't believe in, I'm deist as you defined it) to yourself. I don't mind what you have to believe in but you insult my father and family's faith with your ridiculous observation of how the religion is.

I try not to allow my biases influence what I believe. I take it that you are illconcieved of the depth of study of which I have undertaken in this area. I would argue that a religious person is perhaps more biased than I am (although this is a debate I do not want to get any deeper into). My observations are just of what is stated in doctrine, my intention is not to offend. I'm sorry if they do offend you, but this is not a reason not to talk about such issues and I hate to keep refering to my rights but it's called freedom of speech, get used to it. If I lived in an Islamic country I wouldn't have freedom of speech, fortunately I live in a secular democracy which advocates such liberties. I am also tired of people being offended, I mean for crying out loud get a grip. Why is it only religious beliefs that people are allowed to get offended over when people question them? Just get used to defending yourself - which coincidently brings me to my initial point: could you try to be a little more focused in your rebuttal of my statements. You seem to be very annoyed about my attitude but yet you still seem to lack substance in your arguments against me.

You know I don't agree with a lot of arguments my father and I have over religion, but I do agree on one thing. Those who want to criticize people's religion might want to read the book before you knock it. It's designed as moral guidelines in how people should live their lives righteously, but there are people out there that misinterprets certain lines of text and make up absurd understanding of it themselves.

Like you and your father, I believe the Bible and the Qur'an both contain a great deal of very valuable and positive messages which are on the whole a good guideline to live by. What I would also add is that they contain quite sour and often discrimanatory ideologies (typical of the date they were written in) which a literalist may take to heart. I don't see this as a misinterpretation more a fundamental, literal interpretation. Liberals merely 'pick and choose' the nice parts of the doctrine to suit the nice messages they advocate. But when you have messages like 'man must not lie with man' it's not that hard to understand why some would picket homosexual weddings. Or, for an Islamic alternative, when you have messages like 'you must defend Islam with the sword against those who challenge it', it's not surprising that you get some who commit heinous acts of terrorism against largely democratic countries (see Madrid, London, 9/11). All of these terrorist events, I might add, justified in the name of religion doctrine - clearly something is wrong here. It aint all 'love thy neighbour'.

If women weren't allowed outside their homes then uh you would never see women in the first place. Don't give me that stupid shit, don't give me stupid shit you heard from some website on how they criticize Islam or how radicals live. Before you say something about religion is wrong and done so much damage to world (in certain cases yes I agree), don't generalize everyone in the same category. Atheists don't want to be put in the same category as criminals, murderers and pedophiles. So don't put religious people in the same category as those who misinterpreted what religious books has said in result creating crimes to humanity themselves.

Nice try at countering one of my points. I actually said that female Muslims were not, in accordance to Imamate hadiths, allowed to go outside without a male family member to accompany them. Notice that I said specifically Muslim women, not normal women (so try not to distort what I said). If you visit Iran or Saudi Arabia you will see this in action. These are countries which strictly follow Shariah Law: I beg you to revise what is said in Shariah Law before you blindly and rather emotionally try to argue against me as I have taken the time to read it.

For the record, I'm not putting all religious people in the same boat. I only claim that religion itself can enable evils to be justified in the name of God. Many liberal religious people ttone down the negatives and cherry pick the nice bits. Fine, but they are technically the ones who misinterpret. Most of the Western world has done this with the Judai-Christian religions (although you still get a few diecore zealots in America). I think what is undeniable is that evils are constantly committed in the name of Islamic doctrine and I appoint this to the fact that the Middle East has not gone through a process of 'enlightenment' or 'reformation' as most of the modern world has.

[Vykromond]

profe the garbbage is bibble

[Cops]

more like proof that it's astonishing that our civilization hasn't fallen to shit, oh wait yogi...