Conspiratorially speaking seeking facts not theory

[Vatican Assassin]

I would believe conspiracies...

IF I DIDN'T FUCKING SEE THE PLANE FLY INTO THE BUILDINGS.

um, i don't think any conspiratory theorists are claiming they didn't, just that they couldn't cause the buildings to fold in on themselves and fall at free fall speeds into a neat pile just like a controlled demolition.

[HeavenSent]

Marvin Bush & the WTC Power-Downs Just Prior to 9/11!

9/11 Truth: Unusual Evacuations

MARVIN BUSH, BUILDING 7, AND FORBIDDEN QUESTIONS


Not Government Controlled:
The two organizations that run the United States

JIMMY CARTER IS A TROJAN HORSE
Carter, the President, surrounded himself with no fewer than 284 members of the (CFR). Carter's "CFR team" was led by Cyrus Vance, then the Secretary of State, and by Brzezinski, his old pal from the Trilateral Commission, whom Carter had appointed the National Security Advisor.

Will secret clubs pick next prez?
CFR, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission insiders usually run for, win White House, shows new book
"David Rockefeller, whose family financed the CFR, is a common denominator among these parallel groups," writes Estulin. "Not only is he the CFR chairman emeritus, but he also continues to provide financial and personal support to the TC, CFR and Bilderberg Group.

According to a variety of sources, the following presidential candidates are either members of one of the groups or have strong ties: Hillary Rodham Clinton, Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Barack Obama, John McCain, John Edwards, Fred Thompson, Joe Biden, Chris Dodd and Bill Richardson.

Mike Huckabee, though not a member, spoke to the CFR in September. Since then, his political star has risen to the point that he has become a top-tier candidate."

Art imitates Life:
V for Vendetta- NWO Mix

PNAC - Project for the New American Century
According to their own document, Rebuilding America’s Defenses their stated goals would never be realized “absent some catastrophic catalyzing event –like a new Pearl Harbor”. (page 52).

Zbigniew Brzezinski's The Grand Chessboard:
American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives
"In the long run, global politics are bound to become increasingly uncongenial to the concentration of hegemonic power in the hands of a single state. Hence, America is not only the first, as well as the only, truly global superpower, but it is also likely to be the very last." (p.209)

"Moreover, as America becomes an increasingly multi-cultural society, it may find it more difficult to fashion a consensus on foreign policy issues, except in the circumstance of a truly massive and widely perceived direct external threat." (p. 211)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gra...ic_Imperatives
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/zbig.html

[Eric is God]

Who needs juries and elections when you have internet polls.

[HeavenSent]

So you would be one of those 539 votes for No?
...or is it that you're just everyone's imaginations as well? ...without an opinion about anything... like an emushroom. Of course we know this isn't true. You just voiced your opinion just now. But are you real? :fear: :wub:

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Three cheers for homeschooling!

[Epinephrine]

ya i went back and looked up our first encounter, and upon further review i did act like an asshole, and should be the one to apologize, which i offer now. forums sure don't bring out the best of me.

won't see that often so soak it in.

=)

Alright let's start a-fresh then *group hug*

[Cops]

It was all an illusion, the taliban took over a military base on the outskirts of New Mexico, they actually did this without leaving Afghanistan. It was actually done telepathically, they took over the minds of the soldiers on a US air base and fired two cruise missiles at the pentagon. I've studied these images carefully and believe that my un-educated opinions are superior to anyone else's.

actually after receiving an email from an anonymous tipster I've concluded that the missiles were fired from the air not the ground

edit: it was actually a ship that fired them!

[HeavenSent]

The Truth And Lies Of 9/11

Mike Ruppert’s own story, revealed in the movie, is both shocking and revealing of deeper truths about the secret inner workings of our own government.

According to Ruppert, the U.S. wanted the Taliban out of the way because, first, the religious Taliban government had ordered all the poppy farmers in Afghanistan to burn their fields. Afghanistan had once been the world’s single largest grower of poppies, the flower from which opium and heroin are made. Heroin shipments were being flown out of Afghanistan on Russian and U.S. military planes and smuggled worldwide, including into Western Europe and the United States by Russian and U.S. intelligence operatives, beginning as early as 1979. That year, the CIA began backing the Mujahadeen fighters, later to become the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, and not coincidentally, heroin-related deaths rose 77 percent in New York City alone. The huge influx of billions of dollars in drug money every year was being used to finance covert operations, and surprisingly, as Ruppert reveals, to prop up the U.S. economy as it was laundered through the U.S. banking system. The Taliban’s move, which could have been a major step toward quelling the heroin epidemic for good, disrupted these illegal, covert drug operations. One month after the Taliban were overthrown, Afghan warlords friendly to the U.S. ordered the poppy fields to be replanted, and Ruppert reports that Afghanistan is now back to being the world’s leading producer and exporter of heroin with the continued assistance of the CIA.


...aired on C-SPAN, between Ruppert and then-CIA Director John Deutsch in 1996, during which he cites these covert drug-dealing operations by their code names and Deutsch, visibly nervous, is unable to refute his accusations.

FREEDOM'S PHOENIX

Charles Goyette's Popular Mechanics 9/11 Interview causes cancellation of later interviews.

Listen to this MP3 file of Popular Mechanics on the Charles Goyette show in Phoenix. Charles has him backpedaling big time. Pass this MP3 file to any one who is leaning on Popular Mechanics to support their continued belief in the official story:

Listen to the show

Tracking the 19 Hijackers What are they up to now? At least 9 of them survived 9/11

[Eric is God]

So you would be one of those 539 votes for No?
...or is it that you're just everyone's imaginations as well? ...without an opinion about anything... like an emushroom. Of course we know this isn't true. You just voiced your opinion just now. But are you real? :fear: :wub:

Here's the way I see it. I don't trust governments at all which should make me more likely to believe in a 911 conspiracy. However, the reason I don't trust governments is they are completely inept and inefficient so I don't believe it would be possible for them to mastermind something as big as 911.

[HeavenSent]

The government is only a 'front' on the surface. Most of the politicians don't even know what's going on.
Case in point: Talks of illegal immigration while at the same time works are in progress to form the NAU (North American Union) by the SPP (Security and Prosperity Partnership ).

The rabbit hole goes really really deep with a whole lot of layers... and most in each layer thinks they're in the controlling layer, not realizing there's still more layers running deeper than the one (or few) they're in.

Who Controls The World? Illuminati, Jesuits, Bilderberg, Church, Skull, Religion

The Mechanisms & Functional Control Groups of Secret Societies:
_______________________________________________
Religious Control Groups:
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World Council of Churches
National Council of Churches
World Parliament of Religions
New Age Movements (Esoterism)
Unity Church
Unitarian / Universalist Church
Baha'i
Temple of Understanding
Vatican (Popes & Cardinals)
Opus Dei
Roman Catholic Church
Al Quaeda (Bin Laden)
Theosophical Society
Nation of Islam (USA)
Hemas & Hesbollah
______________________
Control Groups of Education:
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UNESCO
World Peace Groups
Planetary Congress
World Federalist Association
World Constitution and Parliementary Assoc.
Environmental Groups
WWF
Greenpeace
Lucis Trust (lucifer trust)
World Goodwill
World Union
Esalen Institute
Media Establishment (all medias)
American Society for Microbiology
__________________________
Political Control Groups:
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National Government Leaders
United Nations (ONU)
Bilderberg
Trilateral Commission
Council on Foreign Relations (CFR)
Aspen Institute
Club of Rome
Bohemian Grove
European Union (CEE & European Institutions)
NATO (OTAN)
Pilgrim Society
Fabian Society
Round Table
Royal Institute of International Affairs (RIIA)
Institute Francais des Relations Internationales
European Royal Families (England, Spain, Netherlands,...)
__________________________________________
Intelligence Control Groups:
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CIA (USA)
FBI (USA)
NSA (Echelon program) (USA)
KGB (Russia)
MOSSAD (Israel)
BND (Germany)
DGSE (France)
British Intelligence (MI5, MI6, SIS)
Communist Party
Interpol & Europol
Drug Cartels
Mafia / Organized Crime
F.E.M.A. (USA Shadow Gov't)
Secret Service of Pakistan
_______________________
Banking & Money Control Groups:
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Federal Reserve (USA)
European Central Bank (BCE)
International Monetary Fund (FMI)
World Bank (Banque Mondiale)
World Trade Organization (OMC)
National Central Banks
International Bank of Settlements
World Conservation Bank
Multinational Corporations
(Exxon, Disney, Shell, Bayer, Hollywood,...)
Foundatio (Rockefeller foundation, Nobel foundation,...)
International Banking (Rothchild, Chase Manhattan, Deutsch, Bank of England, Goldman-Sachs,...)
___________________________
Secret Societies Control Groups:
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Freemasons (Scottish Rite / York Rite)
Skull & Bones
Grand Orient Lodge
Grand Alpina Lodge
Knights Templar
Royal Order of the Garter
Priory de Sion
Rosicrucians
Thule Society
Knights of Malta
Knights of Columbus
P2 Lodge
______________________________
______________________________
Above Groups Controlled by:
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Council of the 13degrees of the Bavarian Illuminati
Council of the 33rd degree Masons of the Scottish Rite
The 13 Satanic Bloodlines
The Committee of 300
B'Nai B'Rith
Grand Orient
_____________________________
Master Control Group:
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The Jesuit Order
_____________________
Control Commander:
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The Superior General of the Jesuits
a.k.a. The Black Pope


Begin to understand HERE: Vatican Assassins Or just rant without this knowledge and wait for it (the NWO).
9/11 1991 President introduces the idea of a NWO
coincidence?

G.W.Bush by Depeche Mode - John The Revelator

[Cops]

it's a lovely day for a walk in a mine field!

[Eric is God]

The private sector is the only entity capable of pulling this off successfully so give me some hard proof linking Blackwater and the oil industry to 911 and I might give the conspiracy theory some weight. The politicians, the CIA and the FBI are all incompetant.

[Epinephrine]

You left out scientology.

[Eric is God]

You left out scientology.

Mine as well add the Jedi and Sith given the number of people in the world who claim those religions.

[Cops]

three words

tin foil hats