War?

[kthx]

Neglecting his forefathers who most likely were just as patriotic towards a European nation with which he now condemns.. It is all bullshit. False. Misguided faith.
The fact is, there are only two nations in this world.

Apparently you don't remember the.. American revolution, in which we... were very unpatriotic towards our former European influences. Idiot.

And if there were only two nations in the world, there would only be two conflicts in the world, there would be the one nation and everyone who sided with them, and another nation which the rest sided with. Your logic is very flawed if you think that. Israel and Iran. Russia and Georgia. America and Iraq. North Korea and South Korea. China and Tibet. There are so many conflicts for different reasons that there are more than two nations in the world.

[PaulOakenfold]

Walls of motherfucking text

[Exalt]

The oldest civilisations, that still exist, are busy strapping bombs to their bodies and blowing themselves up.
You give credence to man, as if time has any influence. We are still the same ignorant being we were 1000 years ago.
Exalt grasps the political dominance of his nation with somekind of personal gratification.. Neglecting his forefathers who most likely were just as patriotic towards a European nation with which he now condemns.. It is all bullshit. False. Misguided faith.
The fact is, there are only two nations in this world.

the USA became the world power it is because of WW2, because we decided to change from isolationists and become the world's "peacekeeper" in a way, because we didn't want another world war on our hands and it would keep on going if Europe was left to fuck with each other like they did for centuries

Europe has always known petty conflict with each other since their specific nations were created... USA didn't join the war to gain land or power or anything like that, we did it to stop hitler, and also to stop japan from attacking us

On top of that, the only reason they DID attack us is because we were supplying the ALLIED nations with weapons, food, money, etc and the AXIS nations did not like that too much, we also stopped japan from gaining oil, which they desperately needed, hence pearl harbor

We have always been allies with britian and france and all those western European countries, because mostly we have the same values and came from the same place. Same with Canada and Australia... but also we are different because we became a superpower due to the European countries deciding world wars were fun and fucking each other up over land was worth it to them apparently...

Stop calling USA the war hungry people when your nations were bred on war, and created war for hundreds and hundreds of years... and this is even after the whole roman empire, the holy roman empire, etc etc in which your countries were part of

[Kolar]

Says the country that contains the 2nd largest reservoir of oil in the world.

In addition, Canada doesn't need to maintain a large military presence overseas. Sure the US could cut back on this as everyone just hates us being there, but if the US's influence wanes in conflict stricken areas, the world will bleed a couple more kiloliters of blood.

I'd rather have a somewhat transparent greedy capitalist nation influencing the world rather than a secretive communist country; or an opaque, disgrunted, former socialist government securing buffer land against a fellow democratic nation during the modern age.

There is a difference between cutting back on deployed forces and cutting back on spending. I think all that people want is political change to happen where we don't have fucking idiots deciding where, when and for how long they are deployed. A lot in this world would have to change for the US Military to cut back.

Communism is dead as an ideology. While there is a propensity and want for the state in their lives their economies are not structured like the Soviet Union. China has delivered millions out of poverty with free market policies. Russia is reemerging economically because of such policies. It's not as easy to pin them to a certain end of the spectrum but I do agree with you they are dangerous states. But because the US is a democracy even in name only today there's always a possibility of change. And to give you guys some credit Bush's approval rating is barely 25% and Congress even less. Last I checked Putin had 70%+ approval through the entire Litvinenko incident.

[Ayano]

... were very unpatriotic towards our former European influences

*coughFrancecough*

[DoTheFandango]

Dude, I don't know, I fucking hate Russia, I don't like Georgia, and I think South Ossetia is to blame for all of this. No one knows who really started it, and I don't really care, but if this is how Russia chooses to act I'm fucking ready for WWIII

[Galleleo]

are you serious? LOL?

i like how you OVERestimate Europe, gj.

Europe was already done for before the US even joined the war, and you had no chance whatsoever to beat germany if the US never joined, sorry buddy, learn a thing or two about history before you talk to me again, fool

I know enough about History, you apparently don't, but I aint here to school you in it.

[Heroin Bob]

if UHC works......why do canadians come the the US when they get sick and pay out of pocket? why are there constant news stories about people who have brain tumors in Canada but have to wait and wait and wait, JUST TO GET AN MRI.


UHC = death

[Exalt]

I know enough about History, you apparently don't, but I aint here to school you in it.

history of lies maybe, go relearn the truth in a real institute

[Ayano]

Communism is dead as an ideology..... Russia is reemerging economically because of such policies....

China is a communist nation, but it's admitted in the past to allowing free trade in special 'economic' zones to compete with America's economy. If you go to the rural areas, communist party leaders hold considerable influence and are structured in the fashion of the soviet nomenklatura. They are aiming for a democratic conversion with their half-assed 'centralized democracy' due to the atrocities that it can't afford to show within a highly transparent system. They are however starting to gain ground here with it's state sponsored paper doing more mud raking on lower officials, heaven knows that they won't touch the politburo and never it's standing committee.

As for Russia; they're converting, but slowly. I'd compare to a born-again Christian losing faith; it's as if a huge barrier's been lifted and they're relishing in the luxuries. Corruption is rife, it's like capitalism unchecked to a degree.


As for the poor spending, Yes Iraq is a money drain; but even without the war the US cannot afford a proficient UHC. Privatization has it's victims and rewards; rewards being treatment options, something UHC lacks. The only UHC that works well is that in the UK because they run privatized systems along side. That being, if you have cancer, you'd better get your wallet out if you want to live rather than pray to the Queen that UHC saves you.

[Kolar]

China is a communist nation, but it's admitted in the past to allowing free trade in special 'economic' zones to compete with America's economy. If you go to the rural areas, communist party leaders hold considerable influence and are structured in the fashion of the soviet nomenklatura. They are aiming for a democratic conversion with their half-assed 'centralized democracy' due to the atrocities that it can't afford to show within a highly transparent system. They are however starting to gain ground here with it's state sponsored paper doing more mud raking on lower officials, heaven knows that they won't touch the politburo and never it's standing committee.

As for Russia; they're converting, but slowly. I'd compare to a born-again Christian losing faith; it's as if a huge barrier's been lifted and they're relishing in the luxuries. Corruption is rife, it's like capitalism unchecked to a degree.


As for the poor spending, Yes Iraq is a money drain; but even without the war the US cannot afford a proficient UHC. Privatization has it's victims and rewards; rewards being treatment options, something UHC lacks. The only UHC that works well is that in the UK because they run privatized systems along side. That being, if you have cancer, you'd better get your wallet out if you want to live rather than pray to the Queen that UHC saves you.

The CPC has no interest in giving up power or changing the dynamics of China. They are not a Communist nation in any sense of the word. Since the 70s they have instituted reforms that give greater freedom of private enterprise and a move away from collective agriculture. But there is little to no meaningful political reform and the CPC is not above interfering with the private sector. Chavez's Venezuela is a good example of a society heading in the opposite direction. Besides having a cult of personality and using populism to an extreme degree he is implementing agrarian reforms, wealth redistribution and clamping down on the opposition, extreme left wing politics. I don't think it's heading in the other direction politically for either China or Russia. Both still believe in a strong national state.


By the end of 2008 the deficit it will be 37.9% of GDP. By 2080 it will be 700% of the GDP. Iraq is sinking the boat a lot faster and so would any future wars the Neocons want to cook up. That fact might only push those on the extreme right to call for military intervention while the US is still the only superpower. If you guys want Medicare, social security and other major budget items then someone needs to step in, not ideologically driven left or right to balance the budget, look to the priorities and cut wasteful spending. You can't run two Wars, fund medicare, social security, HLS ect... and then let everyone off the hook with multiple tax breaks and refunds.

The US can not afford to fund a Universal System like you said but a lot can be done within a private-only system to clean up corruption and mismanagement. A lot of overhead costs can be eliminated by centralizing and merging instead of out sourcing operations. The focus has to be on the health and longevity of their clients and not only on making the business profitable, in theory that is how it works... they live longer to make the co-payments and other payments.

There should always be a private system available to people if they choose to use it. Neither works perfectly, 47 million in the US are uninsured but many go days and weeks waiting for special treatment up here.

[Ayano]

By the end of 2008 the deficit it will be 37.9% of GDP. By 2080 it will be 700% of the GDP. Iraq is sinking the boat a lot faster and so would any future wars the Neocons want to cook up. That fact might only push those on the extreme right to call for military intervention while the US is still the only superpower. If you guys want Medicare, social security and other major budget items then someone needs to step in, not ideologically driven left or right to balance the budget, look to the priorities and cut wasteful spending. You can't run two Wars, fund medicare, social security, HLS ect... and then let everyone off the hook with multiple tax breaks and refunds.

Yea, after Iraq we're just going to go into another war without any form of recovery. That's a fat exagerated statistic, biased number logic. Knowing the economy it it's current state, we'll just happily sink deeper for 80 years? I thought you'd know better.

As for the neo-cons, they lost congress, and soon the oval office. No future republican president will start a war for circumstantial reasons as the way with bush. I found it ironic actually, G.H.B. was hesitant to go into Bosnia as we watched it happen; it took Clinton, a democrat for us to intervene; then again I suppose the gulf war did need a recovery period.

[Kolar]

Yea, after Iraq we're just going to go into another war without any form of recovery. That's a fat exagerated statistic, biased number logic. Knowing the economy it it's current state, we'll just happily sink deeper for 80 years? I thought you'd know better.

It's based on current and estimated federal spending. Not a full scale invasion and occupation but something smaller could still happen with Iran before he's gone. A lot of those people are still heading up McCain's foreign policy.

[Da1andonly]

finland would've won ww2 on it's own

[Ayano]

It's based on current and estimated federal spending.

Aka, biased. Everyone just loves to believe the US is sinking uncontrollably when stocks are saying otherwise. The stocks are volatile, but the trends are concrete indicators of what's to come.