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  • #46
    yes because its always the US' fault that everything goes wrong in the world, especially in Europe where the EU sure doesn't have any responsibility right?

    No one else is at fault for these things, everyone is a puppet of the mighty US, right?
    No, obviously Russia and Georgia are at fault as well, but the fact of the matter still remains.

    It's an oil issue, through and through, do a little searching and you will find lotst of information on how Shaakhasvili has been deling with western oil companies (mainly US) about rerouting the caspian sea oil and gas pipelines to turkey and cutting off supply to Russia.

    It also isn't by coincidence that the US supply arms to the Georgian army, or that many of the Georgian armys top advisors are Israeli military officials.
    Nor is it coincidence that the US held "training" exercises in Tiblisi last month.
    Even less of a coincidence is that Saakhashvili was put into power in 2003 with the aid of the CIA.

    There are even reports that no Russian soldiers were harmed during the Georgian attack on S.Ossetian separatists, some going so far to say that it is a plot by Russia to have an excuse to go to "war" with Georgia.

    Moreover, the whole missile defence system that the US wants to build in Georgia (or Poland or the Czech republic) is going to cause an uproar, and the US knows it. Plus its a great way to draw attention away from the whole Oil issue. (smells like another Iraq to me).

    as for "links", im at work, so i dont have the time to dig through everything, but here is an excertp from Watson:

    U.S. Attacks Russia Through Client State Georgia

    Georgian forces, trained and equipped by the Pentagon and the U.S. government, killed 10 Russian peacekeepers early this morning in a provocation attack that has escalated into military conflict, but the subsequent corporate media coverage would have us believe that the U.S. and NATO-backed client state Georgia is a helpless victim, when in actual fact a far more nuanced geopolitical strategy is being played out.

    Original reports early this morning detailed how Georgian forces had killed 10 Russian peacekeepers and wounded 30 others, which was the provocation for Russian forces to begin military operations, but the fact that Georgian forces were responsible for starting the conflagration has been completely buried in subsequent media coverage.

    “Georgia and the Pentagon cooperate closely,” reports MSNBC, “Georgia has a 2,000-strong contingent supporting the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, and Washington provides training and equipment to the Georgian military.”

    The latest exercise, Immediate Response 2008, which took place last month, involved no less than one thousand U.S. troops working with Georgian troops in a war game scenario.

    Moreover, the very “Rose Revolution” that brought the Harvard trained pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvilli to power in 2003 was wholly aided and abetted by the Central Intelligence Agency.

    Russian fury at U.S. support for Georgia and Georgia’s aspirations of becoming a NATO member have flared regularly in recent months, with tensions also rising following U.S. attempts to place missile defense shield technology in Poland and the Czech Republic, which most observers agree has nothing to do with Iran and is in fact aimed at countering Russian military superiority in the region.

    In addition, the pro-Israeli news source DebkaFile reports that Georgian infantry units were “aided by Israeli military advisors” in capturing the capital of breakaway South Ossetia, Tskhinvali earlier today.

    DebkaFile elaborates on the true geopolitical significance behind today’s events.

    DEBKAfile’s geopolitical experts note that on the surface level, the Russians are backing the separatists of S. Ossetia and neighboring Abkhazia as payback for the strengthening of American influence in tiny Georgia and its 4.5 million inhabitants. However, more immediately, the conflict has been sparked by the race for control over the pipelines carrying oil and gas out of the Caspian region.

    The Russians may just bear with the pro-US Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili’s ambition to bring his country into NATO. But they draw a heavy line against his plans and those of Western oil companies, including Israeli firms, to route the oil routes from Azerbaijan and the gas lines from Turkmenistan, which transit Georgia, through Turkey instead of hooking them up to Russian pipelines.

    Former Treasury Secretary under Ronald Reagan, Paul Craig Roberts, told The Alex Jones Show today that the entire scenario smacked of a maneuver on behalf of the Neo-Con faction controlling the White House, led by Dick Cheney. Roberts said the date was precisely picked due to the distraction of the Olympics and Bush being out of the country.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. media networks are seemingly more interested in the complete non-story of John Edwards having an affair, while a conflict that could have devastating and thunderous geopolitical consequences fizzes on the verge of explosion.
    and another excerpt.

    Pravda: War between Russia and Georgia orchestrated from USA

    Sunday, Aug 10, 2008

    The US administration urged for an immediate cease-fire in the conflict between Russia and Georgia over the unrecognized republic of South Ossetia.

    In the meantime, Russian officials believe that it was the USA that orchestrated the current conflict. The chairman of the State Duma Committee for Security, Vladimir Vasilyev, believes that the current conflict is South Ossetia is very reminiscent to the wars in Iraq and Kosovo.

    “The things that were happening in Kosovo, the things that were happening in Iraq – we are now following the same path. The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America. South Ossetian defense officials used to make statements about imminent aggression from Georgia, but the latter denied everything, whereas the US Department of State released no comments on the matter. In essence, they have prepared the force, which destroys everything in South Ossetia, attacks civilians and hospitals. They are responsible for this. The world community will learn about it,” the official said.
    Last edited by Displaced; 08-11-2008, 02:36 AM.
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    • #47
      I didn't know that you had lived here, 404! Where at?
      Originally Posted by HeavenSent
      You won't have to wait another 4 years.
      There wont be another election for president.
      Obama is the Omega President.
      http://wegotstoned.blogspot.com/

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      • #48
        yay socialism
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        • #49
          LOL displaced...
          Its amazing to see how people think everything is around oil. If you don't know the reason for why they are fighting there, please shut up and don't say crap backed up by "experts" who you don't even know their names...

          It also isn't by coincidence that the US supply arms to the Georgian army, or that many of the Georgian armys top advisors are Israeli military officials.
          Nor is it coincidence that the US held "training" exercises in Tiblisi last month.
          Even less of a coincidence is that Saakhashvili was put into power in 2003 with the aid of the CIA.
          Is it coincidence that Russia sell weapons to North Korea and Iran, two countries who are radical and one that call to wipe another nation out?

          I advice you to read more about why they are fighting over there, and get out of your bubble, that U.S pull the strings behind every conflict in the world.
          Israel didn't sell weapons to Georgia (they only sold 4 UAV's from what I know), because Russia probably asked them not to do so. Israel respected Russia and didn't approve the deal (200 tanks were about to be sold). The Russians respect Israel for that. Meanwhile, they keep helping Iran getting new antiaircraft weapons and materials to get nuclear technology.
          Way to go...

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          • #50
            experts who you dont even know their names? I gave the source, Watson is the source of the first excerpt.

            parts of that are from debkafile, and the last excerpt is from Pravda, now that you have the links, you can go read the articles yourself.

            not that im saying those are definitive by any means, but they just happened to be the ones i was reading when i posted.

            What does Russia selling arms to Iran and North Korea have to do with the situation in S.Ossetia? Not much. It's not like the US doesn't sell weapons to other countries as well.
            However the timing and the amount of support shown in the build up to the conflict is significant, wether you want to admit it or not.

            Again, i've never said that the US has it's nose in ever conflict around the world, but the US is not squeaky clean by any stretch of the imagination.

            Again, i've never said Israel sold weapons to Georgia, but Israeli Military Officials are acting as advisors for the Georgian Military.

            More on the Iran issue, which atm is moot, yes Russia supports Iran, hell Russia will support anyone that the US sees as a potential threat, this is all politics, don't forget that.

            Now, can you try to have a civil discussion about the subject matter, or are you gonna go all pissy on me like you always do when someone says anything about Israel that doesn't fit into your narrow view of the world?
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            Displaced> ur a faggot with no money
            Thors> prolly
            Thors> but the pussy is HAIRY!

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            • #51
              Farscape, it is pretty well known that reason that Saakashvilli wants to keep South Ossetie as part of Georgia is the pipelines running through that area. And the oil that is present in that area. So basically it is about oil.
              Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.

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              • #52
                I don't care what you say about Israel, I just found it funny that you come with the typical talking about "US support Georgia, there is oil involved" when the conflict there started since Georgia declared independent after USSR dissolved.

                I have no narrow view on the world, I have narrow view on stupidity of others that "think" they know best whats going on by being based on biased media.
                And Moscow doesn't support Iran because they Oppose U.S; I think they just do it for the money.

                Farscape, it is pretty well known that reason that Saakashvilli wants to keep South Ossetie as part of Georgia is the pipelines running through that area. And the oil that is present in that area. So basically it is about oil.
                Its pretty known that those separatists from South Ossetia refuse to accept Georgia rule, since they see themselves as part of Russia. That is the reason for the tense and fighting there. Oil could be a also part of it, but only as a minor reason.

                Both Russia and Georgia acting like shit in that conflict there. Georgia surrendered and Russia keep attacking. I just don't understand how can you say "Oh its all because U.S want the oil" for everything that happen. Maybe you should blame Russia for wanting the oil now?! It is now they who invaded a country and maybe even try to throw down Georgia current government.
                Last edited by FarScape; 08-11-2008, 12:46 PM.

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                • #53
                  here's somethin i think u guys should read http://www.photius.com/countries/geo...nt_russia.html

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by FarScape View Post
                    there is oil involved
                    It's usually the case, but hey what are we going to do about it?

                    Nothing, just continue arguing whose good and whose evil, throw in some national/religious pride and in the end, people are going to be killed and the governments will get their oil and there will be no resolution to the bloodshed and tears that is constantly being shed on all that live in the area.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by gran guerrero View Post
                      It's usually the case, but hey what are we going to do about it?

                      Nothing, just continue arguing whose good and whose evil, throw in some national/religious pride and in the end, people are going to be killed and the governments will get their oil and there will be no resolution to the bloodshed and tears that is constantly being shed on all that live in the area.
                      Most of the conflicts around the globe are still because of religion and ethnic differences (that also involve territory conflict). Only Anti-Bush Americans think its about oil all the time. Last time I checked, the prices of oil before Iraq invasion were lower.

                      Besides, Isn't it much cheaper and smart to actually boost the development of non-oil energy, like hydrogen and electricity engines?
                      Now you will talk about the oil lobby and blah blah blah... ^-^

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by FarScape View Post
                        Most of the conflicts around the globe are still because of religion and ethnic differences (that also involve territory conflict). Only Anti-Bush Americans think its about oil all the time. Last time I checked, the prices of oil before Iraq invasion were lower.

                        Besides, Isn't it much cheaper and smart to actually boost the development of non-oil energy, like hydrogen and electricity engines?
                        Now you will talk about the oil lobby and blah blah blah... ^-^
                        it's not so much the bush administration, but rather the oil companies who wish to keep all their profit in tact rather than submit to other non-oil energy resources.

                        Religion and territory are only tools used to spur the people into fighting, the true agenda is for the resources that are gained after the war is over.
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Da1andonly View Post
                          ps. what is wards & deprecates thoughts about this?
                          Originally Posted by HeavenSent
                          You won't have to wait another 4 years.
                          There wont be another election for president.
                          Obama is the Omega President.
                          http://wegotstoned.blogspot.com/

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                          • #58
                            I think everyone is missing the part where Russian planes "accidentally" missed a target and took out one of the largest oil pipelines in the vicinity. The plot thickens.
                            Rabble Rabble Rabble

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by FarScape View Post
                              Most of the conflicts around the globe are still because of religion and ethnic differences (that also involve territory conflict). Only Anti-Bush Americans think its about oil all the time. Last time I checked, the prices of oil before Iraq invasion were lower.

                              Besides, Isn't it much cheaper and smart to actually boost the development of non-oil energy, like hydrogen and electricity engines?
                              Now you will talk about the oil lobby and blah blah blah... ^-^
                              Why is it so hard to believe people will fight for energy, food, and land? Most conflicts can be boiled down to the lack of the essentials of life. The small regions of the world where Russia/China and the West fight it out like Georgia are a result of such problems, energy and land (today more so about strategic positioning). For now reusable energy sources are not reliable enough today or in the near-term to replace oil, coal and nuclear technology as our primary energy sources.

                              The leaders of Al-Qaeda didn't wake up one morning and decide that the West was their enemy, the same goes for the Palestinians. there was a cause and effect relationship. We used them against the Soviets much in the same manner we're using the Georgian people against the Russians. There was no concern for their lives, their land, their politics, their religion or way of life. That's not an endorsement of their tactics but fundamentalisms doesn't spontaneously appear. There's always a reason it comes alive.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Kolar View Post
                                Why is it so hard to believe people will fight for energy, food, and land? Most conflicts can be boiled down to the lack of the essentials of life. The small regions of the world where Russia/China and the West fight it out like Georgia are a result of such problems, energy and land (today more so about strategic positioning). For now reusable energy sources are not reliable enough today or in the near-term to replace oil, coal and nuclear technology as our primary energy sources.

                                The leaders of Al-Qaeda didn't wake up one morning and decide that the West was their enemy, the same goes for the Palestinians. there was a cause and effect relationship. We used them against the Soviets much in the same manner we're using the Georgian people against the Russians. There was no concern for their lives, their land, their politics, their religion or way of life. That's not an endorsement of their tactics but fundamentalisms doesn't spontaneously appear. There's always a reason it comes alive.
                                I liked this post, I also didn't realize you watch Atlantis as well Kolar! I'm going to get seriously pissed off if they don't bring back Ford soon :fear:
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                                1:chuckle> im tired of seeing people get killed and other people just watching simply saying "MURDER. RACISM. BAD"
                                1:chuckle> ive watched the video twice now

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