War?

[Cops]

Isnt this exactly what we said of Hitler. We may already have started world war 3.

If we go to war with Iran we destroy ourselves, if we go to war with Russia we destroy ourselves.

It's funny how people say our new future rulers will be China, but the truth is America as well as other countries would rather force a full out attack on a country resulting in their own demise simply out of pride. Like other people have said this is a very complex situation that can't be solved by opposing Russia head on, even though I think they're being cock monkeys about the whole thing.

[kthx]

You know cops, on a nearly daily basis I have to log on to the forums and see your canadian liberalism bullshit, so I think it is time for you to understand the truth of the matter. How can a country with zero gold medals in the Olympics truly understand whether or whether not America can stop Russia from trying to reclaim all of its lost territory such as Ukraine should the need arise? I am fairly certain a country of pussies, who expect the government to give them everything they need, and a country who much like the French, appears to rather roll over and die than come to a tough decision, have bred a player who thinks he even for one second understands why America is the best country in the world. You can't even fathom what America can do when it needs to be done, should we start our war machine rolling again, there is not a country on earth, be it China or Russia, that could take the full might of America head on. There is just way too much to say before I go to work, so I will just leave it at this for now - Leave war to a country who isn't scared to go into one.

[Pressure Drop]

The thing that worries me most is the scant regard for going through the proper channels the powerful countries like USA and Russia are showing

There was no weapons of mass destruction, yet USA does a full scale invasion of Iraq overthrowing the government

Georgia attacked separatists and Russia invades… and attacks a city beyond the separatist region


It is probable that these two breakaway regions will either annex to Russia or have autonomous rule backed by Russia – either result will weaken Georgia. Under the terms of the russian ceasefore the two regions will vote whether to join russia and georgian troops are no longer allowed there.

It was disproportionate force that Russia used, I’ve no doubt about that and it also fits in with the strong military image harking back to the cold war that Russia is actively trying to portray to the world.
e.g. sending bombers long range flights like they did during the cold war http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6957589.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asi...ic/7236241.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7240197.stm


In my opinion that has a lot to do with this, though I’m not saying the oil pipelines didn’t add economic interests to the countries

[Capital Knockers]

You know cops, on a nearly daily basis I have to log on to the forums and see your canadian liberalism bullshit, so I think it is time for you to understand the truth of the matter. How can a country with zero gold medals in the Olympics truly understand whether or whether not America can stop Russia from trying to reclaim all of its lost territory such as Ukraine should the need arise? I am fairly certain a country of pussies, who expect the government to give them everything they need, and a country who much like the French, appears to rather roll over and die than come to a tough decision, have bred a player who thinks he even for one second understands why America is the best country in the world. You can't even fathom what America can do when it needs to be done, should we start our war machine rolling again, there is not a country on earth, be it China or Russia, that could take the full might of America head on. There is just way too much to say before I go to work, so I will just leave it at this for now - Leave war to a country who isn't scared to go into one.

Wark buddy, watch what you say. Canadians are far from stupid, we participated, and still do participate in the conflicts that matter. Scared to go to war? Funny how you guys did shit until Pearl Harbour got attacked. The States does what's good for the states, and that's it. If it hurts other people, you guys don't give a fuck. If you think that makes you the best or most powerful country in the world - you're dead wrong. Every single superpower in known history has faded away or been overthrown. Don't for a second think you're invincible, or that you could take on the world. The best the states could do, is fight, and do really well. Then when you start to lose, and the shit hits the fan, you'd either admit you're retarded for what you've done, or pull a hitler and nuke everything just so you don't have to face the music. Lay off the Canadians man, I don't give a shit how strong you are, it's nothing if you don't use that strength for good.

P.S. Are you seriously using Gold Medals for anything in this conversation? I really hope that was some kind of joke, I do think you're smarter than that.

Edit - I'm not trying to start a Canada - US bashing contest here. Plenty of other reasons you could call yourselves the best country in the world. If I were a fellow American and saw your post, I'd be embarassed.

Edit Again - Just wanted to point this out too. How could you take on Russia or China with that big ol war machine, if you couldn't even complete a war in Iraq or let's say Veitnam? Hell, you can't even get your troops home! Not to mention if you do any time in the next 10 years or more Iraq will be torn apart by civil war. You'd be screwed man, and the entire world would suffer, instead of the few countries that have already.

[Fluffz]

funny how everyone cries "3rd world war" and "international sanctions" when russia goes to war but when the US does everyone is like "damn, now i gotta change my stocks again"

on topic all i have to say is: what were they thinking HOW russia would react. Its Georgias own fault for pissing them off and the fact that there still is a Georgia on the map shows how modern russia has become.

[Ayano]

As much as the world may hate it, you'd be stupid not to agree that without the US playing world police, we'd probably be in a much worse situation. A majority of the world's international shipping is patrolled by US warships. Yea we're in for the corporations, corruption here and there, but would you rather have Russia or say China holding our stead?

[Galleleo]

I am not really arguing with you anymore farscape, you are frikken dense.

Last I heard, both Russia and Georgia agreed to the peace plan from Sarkozy, only to be broken 3 hours later by the Russians rolling tanks into Gori.

[DankNuggets]

inch:

If I were a fellow American and saw your post, I'd be embarassed.

Incredibly

[Dabram]

Georgia won 2 gold medals today, does this mean Russia will actually start pulling back out of Georgia now Wark?

[FarScape]

I am not really arguing with you anymore farscape, you are frikken dense.

Last I heard, both Russia and Georgia agreed to the peace plan from Sarkozy, only to be broken 3 hours later by the Russians rolling tanks into Gori.

You are just opaque, but who cares really.

[Troll King]

Isn't that better than being utterly transparent?

[404 Not Found]

Wark buddy, watch what you say. Canadians are far from stupid, we participated, and still do participate in the conflicts that matter. Scared to go to war? Funny how you guys did shit until Pearl Harbour got attacked. The States does what's good for the states, and that's it. If it hurts other people, you guys don't give a fuck. If you think that makes you the best or most powerful country in the world - you're dead wrong. Every single superpower in known history has faded away or been overthrown. Don't for a second think you're invincible, or that you could take on the world. The best the states could do, is fight, and do really well. Then when you start to lose, and the shit hits the fan, you'd either admit you're retarded for what you've done, or pull a hitler and nuke everything just so you don't have to face the music. Lay off the Canadians man, I don't give a shit how strong you are, it's nothing if you don't use that strength for good.

P.S. Are you seriously using Gold Medals for anything in this conversation? I really hope that was some kind of joke, I do think you're smarter than that.

Edit - I'm not trying to start a Canada - US bashing contest here. Plenty of other reasons you could call yourselves the best country in the world. If I were a fellow American and saw your post, I'd be embarassed.

Capital Knockers, I for one was embarassed.

Looking at my possible permanent move in the next few years, I am honestly happy to say that I intend to be living in Canada if all works out. I have been out to B.C. a few times now looking at property and will hopefully land my family in Eagle Harbour, West Vancouver or Halfmoon Bay, Sunshine Coast area. Will be heading out again in Sept. to look at a property. Not all Americans are thrilled with the direction this country has moved towards.

[404 Not Found]

I didn't know that you had lived here, 404! Where at?

Was an exchange student in 1976-77 Helsinki. You still have that fast food place called Carrols near the bus station? I think I lived off their crap back then.

The family I lived with, the father was the President of a bank called KOP, of which I doubt is even a bank anymore.

[Kolar]

You know cops, on a nearly daily basis I have to log on to the forums and see your canadian liberalism bullshit, so I think it is time for you to understand the truth of the matter. How can a country with zero gold medals in the Olympics truly understand whether or whether not America can stop Russia from trying to reclaim all of its lost territory such as Ukraine should the need arise? I am fairly certain a country of pussies, who expect the government to give them everything they need, and a country who much like the French, appears to rather roll over and die than come to a tough decision, have bred a player who thinks he even for one second understands why America is the best country in the world. You can't even fathom what America can do when it needs to be done, should we start our war machine rolling again, there is not a country on earth, be it China or Russia, that could take the full might of America head on. There is just way too much to say before I go to work, so I will just leave it at this for now - Leave war to a country who isn't scared to go into one.

Any non-proxy war between Russia or China and the US and her allies will be nuclear.

As much as the world may hate it, you'd be stupid not to agree that without the US playing world police, we'd probably be in a much worse situation. A majority of the world's international shipping is patrolled by US warships. Yea we're in for the corporations, corruption here and there, but would you rather have Russia or say China holding our stead?

No one wants another world power or two fighting it out. But if that means we have to swallow the Neo-Con crap then no.

[Soup du Jour]

Eagle Harbour, West Vancouver

HOLY JEBUS!
What do you do for a living and how can I get in on that?

Edit: Wark, have you ever (would you ever) served in the military?