McCain picks Woman as VP, Hell freezes over.

[kthx]

There is when your trying to be president of an AMERICAN COUNTRY that generally would say they are CHRISTIAN.

And no I am not racist, I don't have problems with your every day muslims.. just the ones that blow shit up, and the ones that are so afraid of admitting it that they constantly lie about it, like the one running for President of the US.

Besides there is a difference between flopping on issues day to day, and listening to the American people and changing how you will act about a certain issue even if you don't believe its really right.

[Kolar]

Wark there isn't. Even if he were Muslim, Hindu or even Scientologist for that matter, which he isn't, he would still have to respect the Separation of Church and State meaning he couldn't do anything that would benefit his or any other religion when it came to being President of the United States. A good politician understands the needs of the people and is at bare minimum open to change in his or her personal opinion, but knows the difference between what is popular and what is right and doesn't compromise his or her principles in either pursuits.

[DoTheFandango]

wow you are so fucking retarded.
so fucking retarded.
I know talking to you is like talking to a wall, as is talking to just about anyone about politics, but fuck you man. it scares the shit out of me that there are people like you out in the world.

[kthx]

No, America wouldn't have to put up with it even with the separation of church and state, because even though technically you are right, the largely christian base of American voters wouldn't vote a Muslim president into office. If it wasn't such an extremely volatile religion in some cases I would say it would be fine. America won't vote in a Muslim president, that is why Barack won't tell 75,000 people at Invesco field "Hey the prettiest sound in the world is the Muslim prayer before sunset, here is a piece of it with a very good accent", why do you think that is? Obviously he is trying to keep it somewhat hidden, that is why articles like that are deleted off the left ring medias websites.

[DoTheFandango]

If it wasn't such an extremely volatile religion in some cases I would say it would be fine.

Timothy McVeigh was christian.
Eric Rudolph was christian.

Thursday, February 28, 2008
Obama: Muslim Call To Prayer "One Of The Prettiest Sounds On Earth"

I can also recite the Lord's Prayer. I am not Christian, I am not religious, but I can recite it word for word. My grandmother made our family say it before every meal, and thusly:

Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil.

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever and ever.

Amen.

[kthx]

You point out two people who are insane as Christians, when there is an a large group in a certain religion that are brainwashed into thinking America is the root of all evil in the world, and that we need to be destroyed, there is a large difference between the two.

And you googled the lords prayer, it doesn't really prove anything. Religion isn't always about the religion itself, sometimes it is about the lessons you learn from religion, some religions such as Christianity preach love, compassion, and respect for your fellow man, other religions are twisted to teach hate, destruction, and suicide in order to prove your love to your god. I am sure that your parents were Christians even if you aren't, and I assume that one day you will change your mind, however, even if not you were raised as a Christian and the morals stuck to you.

[DoTheFandango]

You point out two people who are insane as Christians, when there is an a large group in a certain religion that are brainwashed into thinking America is the root of all evil in the world, and that we need to be destroyed, there is a large difference between the two.

wrong wrong wrong wrong.
the Islamic faith is one of peace, the ones that have perverted the religion are the ones that blow themselves up in thinking that they are doing the work of Allah. There are just as many crazy fucking christians as there are crazy fucking muslims. The people that tell them to fight us are not RELIGIOUS leaders, they are POLITICAL LEADERS using RELIGION TO GET THEIR POINT ACROSS. It's like saying "God wants us to drill in Alaska" or "God wants us to invade Iraq." Same shit, different point of view, right?

I don't need you to believe me, or anything I say. All that matters here is that YOU sir, are the ignorant one in this case. Open your eyes, realize what is actually going on in this world besides using other people to make decisions for you.

My parents are not Christian, my family is entirely agnostic. But whatever. I was raised to make my own decisions, as my parents were before that. The best part was, I got to sleep in on Sundays.

[Summa]

If it wasn't such an extremely volatile religion in some cases I would say it would be fine.

what i get from this is, "hi everybody i'm a typical american who sees the acts of a few people of the muslim faith that were heinous and make a lewd generalization that the entire religion is volatile and they are all threatening! no way we can have one as president he would bomb stuff and become a terrorist"

i'm sorry but religion doesn't matter to me and i would venture to say obama would agree. your religion doesn't affect what kind of person you are. if you're a christian pretentious ignorant asshole you're still just a pretentious ignorant asshole to me. nor does race matter as obama stated, its all on the character of the person, and i would suggest you don't make such sweeping generalizations based upon stereotypes or one of these days you'll get in deep shit; but hey what do i know.

[kthx]

I don't see groups of Christians coming together to fight a religious crusade against a country because they have a better life style.

And religion does matter to some people, some people being the majority of Americans, so I would say that yes it does matter. If Obama didn't care he wouldn't go to such great lengths to tell people that he is a christian who loves his country so much. Because there are millions upon millions of people who will vote on religious aspects and issues.

[Kolar]

And religion does matter to some people, some people being the majority of Americans, so I would say that yes it does matter. If Obama didn't care he wouldn't go to such great lengths to tell people that he is a christian who loves his country so much. Because there are millions upon millions of people who will vote on religious aspects and issues.

20% of the American population.

I don't see groups of Christians coming together to fight a religious crusade against a country because they have a better life style.

See above.

[Summa]

I don't see groups of Christians coming together to fight a religious crusade against a country because they have a better life style.

And religion does matter to some people, some people being the majority of Americans, so I would say that yes it does matter. If Obama didn't care he wouldn't go to such great lengths to tell people that he is a christian who loves his country so much. Because there are millions upon millions of people who will vote on religious aspects and issues.

what do you call the crusades? or the spanish inquisition? or how about manifest destiny and us taking this continent? and plz don't say "those aren't modern and make me go find you some modern ones like those inbred mormons, yes they are technically Christian (although not a religious crusade just plain wrong though).

i am quite sure that to obama personally it does not matter. however for his hopes of becoming president it does. a lot of people don't look further than skin deep on the canidates. "oh hes a christian thats good i identify with that". it doesn't matter to him, but in a public election it does matter because you have to appease the public in order to get elected. and if you don't believe he loves this country then you are an idiot.

[kthx]

Crusades were European not American first of all, same with the other. So yes I will say find me some modern ones. And I wouldn't say Mormonism is in the same grouping as Christianity even if republican VP short lister Romney is one. And Kolar, that is completely wrong, way more than 20% of Americans are Christians, where did you get that information.

[Kolar]

And religion does matter to some people

...

Crusades were European not American first of all

Anyone want to tell him?

[Troll King]

What, it's not like kthx would ever try to argue about historical ills done by a country from before that nation even existed!

[Summa]

Crusades were European not American first of all

you said nothing about american, you said christian, and the church of latter day saints is part of the Christian faith

as for recent examples: the KKK, Eric Rudolph and the Army of God, Clayton Waagner (he was convicted of sending letters with white powder in them to 170 abortion clinics at the height of the anthrax scare, the Aryan Nation which was headed by Hitler, The National Liberation Front of Tripura, The Gunpowder Plot, and most recently in 2007 in Texas here ya go

In 2007 three teenagers from Burleson, Texas were charged with attempting to destroy a church with an explosive device. Police Commander Chris Haven said that the group believes that society has become too focused on self improvement and self gratification and has lost focus on the glorification of God. On July 4, police in Burleson, TX received reports of suspicious activity at a church and of a fire in a nearby field. Three men were subsequently arrested and charged with arson at a place of worship, a first-degree felony. A fourth suspect, a juvenile, who reportedly was not involved in the attempted arson, was not charged. Two of the suspects admitted to being involved in at least one other fire in a recycling bin at a different church during 2007 according to a police report. One of the three men also faced a charge of tampering/fabricating physical evidence. The three self-described radical Christian activists, part of a religious group that opposes organized religion and government, have pleaded guilty to possession of an unregistered firearm categorized as a destructive device in the attempted bombings at the Burleson, TX church. Police found the bomb, a glass bottle containing a mixture of gasoline and chlorine with a cloth wick, propped against the church door after the men twice attempted to detonate the device. Michael Philip Plaisted and Jered Michael Ragon pleaded guilty December 4, 2007 and Dayton Lee Calaway pleaded guilty February 5, 2008. Punishment faced is a fine of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison.


maybe the christian radicals have been less successful at causing terror than the muslims who knows, but the entire aryan nation thing spearheaded by Hitler.....hmmmm that was successful to an extent