John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[froedrick]

Money does rule the world, but it's not like "money" has a brain and mobility of its own to make things happen. "Those that lust for money and have control of most of it... rule the world."

Relax

[castromarx]

marital law is implemented to control the masses.

wrong thread??

[Astrogirl]

This is our time

This is our time, this is the moment we have been waiting for. This crack in the massive, corrupt and self-serving global capitalist economy is only the beginning of a Great Unraveling that is necessary and inevitable, bound to occur because conceived in a filthy collusion of ignorance and evil.

And some of us are prepared. Not necessarily those who are hiding out in the backwoods with larders full of food. Not those who are hoarding gold and silver in preparation for the collapse of the dollar. But those who actually envision a better world built by people working together for the common good. Pragmatic idealists who have submitted to the process of personal evolution that is required to change the collective mindset beginning with themselves, and imagine a better world. Dreamers who have embraced practical alternatives to the suicidal practices of a destructive society running headlong towards its own cataclysm.

The coming upheaval is not going to be pretty, and it may not be brief. Masses of Americans are going to be hit hard. Some will suffer greatly. Some, like the residents of the Las Vegas tent city, the victims of Katrina, and the growing numbers of the desperately poor are already suffering. They may be better able to cope than the others, hitherto comfortable, who have enjoyed the quality of life Bush promised to maintain despite the sufferings of the exploited undeveloped world, even with rising gas prices. They will be shocked, terrified, even crippled by the sudden change in their circumstance. Many will be the fallen.

We cannot look to Washington to mend this widening gorge. In fact, many of those men expected this "train wreck," and believe they will profit from it. With luck, this debacle will be too big even for them, and they will go down with their Titanic.

We cannot look to any leader or any candidate to solve it. Barack Obama, even if he manages to be elected despite the corruption of our electoral process by the disenfranchisement of thousands of Democratic voters, Barack Obama, the celebrated hero of New Agers looking for a quick fix, will not be able to clean up the mess. The same people who created the disaster are funding him and, like Clinton, George Bush and John McCain, he is beholden to them. Our government has already been sold to financial corporations whose activities are so nefarious and complex that nobody fully understands the entangled web they have created.

Yes, Obama will be better than McCain, who will take us into war with Russia, Iran and perhaps the entire Middle East if it doesn't occur before the election, which is possible. But he is not our savior.

No shining leader riding into Washington in a cavalcade of white Hummers will be able to stop what is going to happen because these are the chickens come home to roost, the inevitable consequence of the abuses of the free enterprise system by the corporate Masters of War, and there is no way the unraveling can be stopped.

And that's a good thing.

The patriarchal capitalist system that thrives on violence, pollution, exploitation, and domination is rotten, and it is collapsing under its own filthy waste. Its demise is due and necessary; this is the only way our global society can change.

Will we rise to the occasion now? Will we actually walk our talk, put our ideas into action to ride through the present crisis and, most important of all, will we help our frightened and destitute brothers and sisters to see the light at the end of the dark tunnel that lies before us?

Will we divide and fight against one another, Buddhist against evangelical Christians for example, labor against business, poor in revolt against the rich as they did in Czarist Russia or the French Revolution, turning outrage into cruelty and bloodshed?

Or will this time be different? Will we endeavor to generate positive creative energy embracing and inspiring the grassroots to rise like the Phoenix out of the ashes of the old dead world?

Si se puede! We can do it, if we have the will, if we choose to act from our love of one other, and our deep love and respect for the earth, Mother of us all.

She will guide us, and She will prevail, with those who honor her.

Stephanie Hiller
Fall equinox
Santa Fe, New Mexico

[Epinephrine]

Astrogirl = Heavensent's homeschooled daughter?

[Galleleo]

I skipped over Astrogirls post, because it seemed to be a lot like Heavensents blabber.

I heard Palin has done some things in Alaska that wasn't exactly right? Demanding an ex brother in law to be fired? Underhanded selling of contracts?

[Liquid Blue]

She tried to get the police chief to repeatedly fire her ex-brother in law, even though the police chief couldn't fire him for something he had already been tried and acquitted for. Basically she tried to abuse her position of power to her own ends. And got caught for it.

I don't know about the contracts but I wouldn't be surprised.

[Galleleo]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4545574.shtml

There it is, apparently it was something she was really proud of or something, but the bidding process was unfair.

[Izor]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-college-days/

LOL looks like FOX is finally firing back with trashy journalism to compete with cnn, msnbc, nyt, etc. This article is for once full of what Ive been complaining about against McCain.

BTW, why does Obama's campaign say that McCain's campaign is getting 'desperate' with each attack when the media repeatedly harasses McCains campaign much more? I mean, every time they talk shit about McCain, Palin, or their families its all cool...but let someone call Obama out on being a huge liberal and a socialist and its 'desperation'. haha

[Troll King]

Maybe it's because of the polls.

[Zerzera]

BTW, why does Obama's campaign say that McCain's campaign is getting 'desperate' with each attack when the media repeatedly harasses McCains campaign much more?

I agree, Dutch documentaries on the public channel portrait Obama as a prodigy that's going to be the savior of the country. McCain is put down as an old man trying and failing, with no support from the conservatives of his party. Palin being desperate move and clinging onto Bush for support.

[HeavenSent]

http://www.youtube.com/v/I46PW791KV8 See 1:34

[Liquid Blue]

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...-college-days/

LOL looks like FOX is finally firing back with trashy journalism to compete with cnn, msnbc, nyt, etc. This article is for once full of what Ive been complaining about against McCain.

BTW, why does Obama's campaign say that McCain's campaign is getting 'desperate' with each attack when the media repeatedly harasses McCains campaign much more? I mean, every time they talk shit about McCain, Palin, or their families its all cool...but let someone call Obama out on being a huge liberal and a socialist and its 'desperation'. haha

He's getting desperate because he's losing and nothing he does is helping. Also his running mate is a cunt who only thinks about her self and her own political gain.

GOP finally came out with an ad about Rev. Wright even though earlier in the campaign McCain said it was wrong to bring that up. He's running out of options and yet his party still tries to attack Obama even when it's consistently shown that personal attacks are not working and are actually alienating voters.

If McCain was in the lead do you think he'd be talking about Obama's "socialist ties" or Rev. Wright at the moment? Do you really think the last week before the election he would even bother to put out negative ads about his opponent if he was winning?

[Squeezer]

So you're suggesting that there's going to be an "international crisis" on January 21st?

I just want to clarify so that when that date comes we can watch and see what happens in the world. If there's some kind of "generated crisis."

edit: also what kind of crisis do you think it will be? I'd like to hear what you think might happen.

[Izor]

If McCain was in the lead do you think he'd be talking about Obama's "socialist ties" or Rev. Wright at the moment? Do you really think the last week before the election he would even bother to put out negative ads about his opponent if he was winning?

Obama is still saying "McCain would be another 4 years of Bush" and other negative ads, mostly on Palin (ie her wardrobe got blown up waaaaay more than it was worth). He's telling us that we can fund his ridiculous spending plans by stopping a war that I'm telling you from personal experience we have little to no way of getting out of in the next couple years safely. Not to mention, first the ceiling for tax cuts was 200000 now its apparently 150000. Starting to blur the line already. Theres a lot of reason to be concerned with these policies. Another reason to be concerned is the fact that hes the most liberal senator out there. McCain has a record of being able to go against his party to do what he feels is right for that country. He is less conservative than I would like in a candidate for this election, but I'm personally scared of what might happen with such a liberal in office, with congress expected to be able to back him 100%

As for your claim of racism in the election, you're absolutely right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PqkPby5x-A You're posturing yourself to say 'Well this country is still racist. All the states that voted for Bush last election are voting for McCain this election because theyre racist, not conservative.' Thats a cop out...I'm willing to say that being black is going to net Obama more votes than it costs him just because all the people that are racist anyway are usually conservatives in the first place. I say this, because in Colorado Springs they did a poll on military members and McCain carried ~75% of the white/hispanic/asian/etc vote. This is almost expected, because people in the military generally vote conservative. When it got to black military members, the numbers almost flipped, with Obama having the huge advantage. That right there alone tells me that its a huge turn based on race from a group that generally votes red. Judging from the polls that you love so much that has Obama up by like 13 points in every state, I cant see where you think Obama would lose key votes from white racists.

EDIT: btw, the way that you refer to Palin as "that cunt that only cares about her own political gain" is almost as bad as me referring to Barack Obama saying "that n***** that only cares about his own communist agenda." The only difference is you think that shes a bad politician so it makes it fine, because its not prejudice. However if I were to say that I'd automatically be "prejudiced" in my decision not to vote for Obama. Double standards are fun.

rofl almost got an ez ban there, how come this thing automatically sensors the K K K but not the n word?

[HeavenSent]

So you're suggesting that there's going to be an "international crisis" on January 21st?

I just want to clarify so that when that date comes we can watch and see what happens in the world. If there's some kind of "generated crisis."

edit: also what kind of crisis do you think it will be? I'd like to hear what you think might happen.

I'm not suggesting that anything happens on that date. I just posted a video where Colin Powell says that to Tom Brokaw on the show Meet The Press.

GEN. POWELL: I would start with talking to the American people and talking to the world, and conveying a new image of American leadership, a new image of America's role in the world.

The problems will always be there, and there's going to be a crisis come along in the 21st or 22nd of January that we don't even know about right now.

I really don't know what could happen on that date.
What I do know is that our economy is spiraling out of control.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ODeAqsnNzhk
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k11q6gywxmDeG1Ldji
http://www.dailymotion.com/swf/k34HUqSLQ8xAq0NIDv