John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[Pearl Jam]

For a 26 yr old, are you that wealthy that your making over $250,000 a year income? If not, then your not going to see your taxes increase.

I've worked hard for my wealth and my company will pay the monies due to being in that tax bracket. Regardless of my being in that income level, I am happy to pay it an not cry about it.

BTW my comment was in quoting Izor and not to be an extremist as you so nicely noted.

Do I honestly care though...not really.

But please note that I've worked hard for my wealth thus far too, sharing even MORE of it with a 39 year old with 3 kids and a drinking problem isn't what i have in mind. It doiesn't have to be a 19 year old, as I see more fuckwads in their late 20 through 30's than I see in a 19 year old... The 19 year old doesn't steal from banking and brokerage firms that I am now paying off with my tax dollars so that they can give themselves $100,000.00 + bonus checks!

Your worried about a friggin 19 year old and not AIG and other houses that fucked you already. Get ready, as the Fed wants to bail out the losers called the Big 3 of which should only go bankrupt!

This thread is so frustrating.

I should've clarified that Obama is going to be passing along some of these tax increases to the corporations to sponsor this super mega-sized government. That was my bad. Corporate taxes, if large enough, affect me. They affect my paycheck. They affect my life. All in order to spread the wealth.

And my "extreme" comment (which I will admit was too harsh, I was just tired of reading media-fueled drivel in this thread) came about due to the fact that a large portion of your political posts are filled with what appears to me to be extensive McCain bashing. You clearly wrote him off as a completely inept idiot a long time ago - you're entitled to your opinion, but at this point, I'd say we get it.

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[Squeezer]

Why not post it? Joe Biden & Colin Powell are 2 men that work in a profession where they get to see information before the general public ever sees it or often is never exposed to. With this in mind, I think it would be wise for us to at least be ready for some big news or possibly a major event.

But you're slandering their name by doing that. I know that doesn't mean much anymore with the large status of celebrities but I doubt you'd like someone making suggestions you didn't imply in your speech. All Powell and Biden were saying is that America will face another international crisis (we've had two definite, and arguably many more under Bush) and Barack Obama will be more capable of handling that situation than John McCain. The date, as Vyk already pointed out, happens to fall on the inauguration date which is why Powell mentioned it. You're stretching both of their words and throwing them out of context but whatever. I suppose in your world everyone speaks directly and without flaw.

And predicting major world events is kind of a craps game. It's given that something big will happen somewhere on January 21st, just like every other day. Perhaps it'll be in response to Obama being elected president. That's not some devious plan, that's logical. But maybe something wont happen that day. Maybe nothing happens for a week, or a year. Eventually an "international crisis" will hit somewhere, it's a trend of humanity. You wont be telling us so, you'll just pretend like you knew the source to sound smart.

So fuck it I'll go deep. When is the world going to end?

[FarScape]

The world will end in few billions years. Humanity might be much sooner.

[Epinephrine]

Anyone see the infomercial? I just watched it on YouTube... nothing new, just a rehash of his convention acceptance speech again with feel good music, but it was really well done.

I am very impressed at how he didn't even mention McCain once. With all the negative campaigning going on these days even in Canada, it's nice to see someone so close to the presidency be so positive.

[genocidal]

I should've clarified that Obama is going to be passing along some of these tax increases to the corporations to sponsor this super mega-sized government.

You actually think this?

[Cops]

The only tax increases I've heard about is for people who make $250,000 or more. I've heard nothing about him wanting to raise corporate taxes, nor would I be in favor of doing so. There's a lot of money owed, and unfortunately the average person is going to take on that debt. It's a tax shift, nothing more. If you make a couple hundred thousand dollars you can afford a 3% increase. What people can't afford is tax increases who make the least amount of money in your country.

And you better fucking believe the government needs taxes right now. The thing I don't get is people are afraid of the word 'tax'. I guess when they've seen shit services and wasted spending then they become hesitant to agree with the current tax levels. The famous comments about 'Why am I paying for a pregnant teeenager' etc come about. Like 404 said what you're paying right now far surpasses any amount of money you've paid to fund someone who does nothing more than leech your system. I come from a different country, and as such my experiences are different. What I find is that the problem isn't taxes it's that your government hasn't done anything good to make you believe you should be handing them one red cent. I'd probably be in the same boat as you if I lived exactly the same way you do.

What I'm saying is ask for something better, it's your god given right to be free and expect a responsible government who will look out for those who can't look out for themselves. Look deep down and you'll see that behind this facade of 'socialism' is just a blanket to prevent the government from establishing reliable and fiscal services. There's a definite difference from establishing socialism in your society, which I whole heartily do not believe in and providing your people with a decent fucking standard of living.

Look at it this way, if you pay taxes expect something from it.

edit: Also I live in a small country of just over 30-Million, our economy is heavily linked to yours. My province has just entered a deficit and we are looking like we're heading for a 'mild' recession. You can say 'back the fuck off this is American politics', but what you do in your country affects my country. What I'm asking, what I'm trying to say is that as soon as you establish a responsible government it would only benefit us both.

[Cops]

And predicting major world events is kind of a craps game. It's given that something big will happen somewhere on January 21st, just like every other day. Perhaps it'll be in response to Obama being elected president. That's not some devious plan, that's logical. But maybe something wont happen that day. Maybe nothing happens for a week, or a year. Eventually an "international crisis" will hit somewhere, it's a trend of humanity. You wont be telling us so, you'll just pretend like you knew the source to sound smart.

So fuck it I'll go deep. When is the world going to end?

Exactly and even if nothing substantial happens something is bound to happen somewhere. Because something happened he feels legitimized, even though he can't give us specific details.

I don't think HeavenSent is a bad guy, I just half expect the guy to be wearing a tin foil hat 99% of the time. Stop acting like a crazy.

[HeavenSent]

But you're slandering their name by doing that. I know that doesn't mean much anymore with the large status of celebrities but I doubt you'd like someone making suggestions you didn't imply in your speech. All Powell and Biden were saying is that America will face another international crisis (we've had two definite, and arguably many more under Bush) and Barack Obama will be more capable of handling that situation than John McCain. The date, as Vyk already pointed out, happens to fall on the inauguration date which is why Powell mentioned it. You're stretching both of their words and throwing them out of context but whatever. I suppose in your world everyone speaks directly and without flaw.

I'm sorry. I guess you're still confused. That's ok. Look at like this: There's three people, myself included, saying something is going to happen in the future. Two of them are saying something like an 'international crisis' is going to happen within the first 6 months of Obama's presidency. One of the three is just saying a 'crisis' on January 21st or 22nd is going to happen that 'We don't even know about now.' Two people, Biden & Powell, gave no clues as to what this crisis could be. I, on the other hand, suggested/implied that the crisis within the first 6 months could very well be an economic crisis of global proportion, but as to the crisis General Powell speaks of, I don't know. It may or may not be a financial crisis compounding the economic crisis we're already experiencing. What ever the crisis Powell is referring to, I thought it was interesting that Tom Brokaw neglected to pursue exactly what Powell's thoughts were of what that crisis could or would involve. As to the date Powell gave, maybe he's saying that it could happen the day of or the day after the inauguration.

And predicting major world events is kind of a craps game. It's given that something big will happen somewhere on January 21st, just like every other day. Perhaps it'll be in response to Obama being elected president. That's not some devious plan, that's logical. But maybe something wont happen that day. Maybe nothing happens for a week, or a year. Eventually an "international crisis" will hit somewhere, it's a trend of humanity. You wont be telling us so, you'll just pretend like you knew the source to sound smart.

Again, of the two, Only Biden mentions an 'international crisis, and Powell just says a 'crisis' that 'we don't even know about now' on January 21st or 22nd. For Powell, let's wait and see what events do happen in this specific window of time. If a 'crisis' really does happen in this window of time, relative to Obama's inauguration, it'll probably be all over the news. If it affects us as a country or as individuals in America, then we could say, 'Maybe this was the crisis Powell was talking about.' Or we could just consider it 'a coincidence' which I'm pretty sure most will have that opinion if anything does happen. And depending on the severity of the possible event, I just might call it a coincidence too.

So fuck it I'll go deep. When is the world going to end?

I've already given my thoughts regarding this in a previous post:

Here's the scenario for the future:
Obama wins. Then, within his first 6 months, America and the world goes into a major financial crisis leading to a global financial collapse. The dollar and many other national currencies die out and are replaced with a new currency. Civil unrest creates anarchy. People rebel against their government and are labeled terrorists/insurgents along with those suspected to be in opposition or possibly speak out against the government. Those people along with many others for no apparent reason are rounded up and taken to internment camps as marital law is implemented to control the masses. America joins with Mexico and Canada to form the North American Union. Obama is no longer president as the country falls under the authority of a centralized global power.

http://video.google.com/googleplayer...49177312936&hl


The end of 2012 is the beginning of a new age. An age no longer under a monetary system of debt & interest. For three and a half years prior to this date is a painful and tragic transformation of mankind: A storm before the calm. A time when the puppet masters - the manipulators of society are exposed and their power removed. The world becomes a resource based economy where technology replaces the labors of man. People are free to pursue their dreams without the stresses of financial limitations.

http://www.futurebydesign.org/

Like Clinton wanting to debate on the meaning of the word 'IS', we'd have to be on the same page defining the word 'World.'
Some people refer to the earth itself as the world. Some people, like myself, refer to the ways of society as the world.
This world we're living in today is going to end very soon, but the earth itself is probably going to be around for a few more billions of years. This world that's soon to end is the way society or 'the world' operates, i.e. this monetary system of debt & interest, along with poverty and suffering.



Here's a good educational video of how the world's monetary system works and why it desparately needs to be reformed:
The Money Masters - How International Bankers Gained Control of America

"Whosoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce... And when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate."-James Garfield - Assassinated a few weeks after making this statement

[Vykromond]

Again, of the two, Only Biden mentions an 'international crisis, and Powell just says a 'crisis' that 'we don't even know about now' on January 21st or 22nd. For Powell, let's wait and see what events do happen in this specific window of time. If a 'crisis' really does happen in this window of time, relative to Obama's inauguration, it'll probably be all over the news. If it affects us as a country or as individuals in America, then we could say, 'Maybe this was the crisis Powell was talking about.' Or we could just consider it 'a coincidence' which I'm pretty sure most will have that opinion if anything does happen. And depending on the severity of the possible event, I just might call it a coincidence too.

See, that's the difference between a sane person and you. A sane person wouldn't assume that Colin Powell has evil Jew divination powers unless the contrary position is somehow proven.

[Cops]

Anyone see the infomercial? I just watched it on YouTube... nothing new, just a rehash of his convention acceptance speech again with feel good music, but it was really well done.

I am very impressed at how he didn't even mention McCain once. With all the negative campaigning going on these days even in Canada, it's nice to see someone so close to the presidency be so positive.

I just finished watching it and thought it was really well done as well. You should watch it on ninjavideo, they have a divx rip of it. Overall good editing, good use of music, and good all around camera work/editing. I think this is going to reflect positively in the polls as well as voters.

I was glad to see it wasn't a shit show, like you said a rehash of everything that has been said. It's good to remind voters of who you are and why you're running in the first place.

[MirrorriM]

For anyone who wants a break from the usual, my boss sent me this interesting little piece about who "REALLY" started the downfall of America, Jimmy Carter. Based on some of the lines in the article it seems there is some exaggeration/bending to the writer's beliefs, but here it is:

Profile In Incompetence:

The Worst President In American History

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Wednesday, September 10, 2008 4:20 PM PT



Jimmy Carter became our 39th president at the young age of 52. He was a one-term governor from Plains, GA, where he managed the family peanut farm and taught Sunday school. He was also a graduate of the Naval Academy and served seven years in the Navy, leaving as a lieutenant.



He came to power in the aftermath of the Vietnam War and the resignation of President Nixon. The public wanted change and someone new, and Carter was an ambitious, hands-on politician who promised better days. As good as his intentions were, however, the things he tried were not successful. In fact, he created far more serious problems than he ever solved.



The centerpiece of Carter's foreign policy was human rights, and he did achieve one noble success0a peace treaty between Egypt's Anwar Sadat and Israel's Menachem Begin.



Unfortunately, that later led to Sadat's assassination at the hands of Muslim radicals.



Many people felt Carter was a good man who worked hard and meant well. But he was naive and incompetent in handling the enormous burdens and complex challenges of being president.



He wrongly believed Americans had an 'inordinate fear of communism,' so he lifted travel bans to Cuba, North Vietnam and Cambodia and pardoned draft evaders. He also stopped B-1 bomber production and gave away our strategically located Panama Canal.



His most damaging miscalculation was the withdrawal of U.S. support for the Shah of Iran, a strong and longtime military ally. Carter objected to the Shah's alleged mistreatment of imprisoned Soviet spies who were working to overthrow Iran's government. He thought the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini, being a religious man, would make a fairer leader.



Having lost U.S. support, the Shah was overthrown, the Ayatollah returned, Iran was declared an Islamic nation and Palestinian hit men were hired to eliminate opposition.



The Ayatollah then introduced the idea of suicide bombers to the Palestine Liberation Organization, paying $35,000 to PLO families whose young people were brainwashed to kill as many Israelis as possible by blowing themselves up in crowded shopping areas.

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Next, the Ayatollah used Iran's oil wealth to create, train and finance a new terrorist organization, Hezbollah, which later would attack Israel in 2006.



In November 1979, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and other Iranians stormed the U.S. embassy in Tehran and took 52 Americans hostage for 444 days. Not until six months into the ordeal did Carter attempt a rescue. But the mission, using just six Navy helicopters, was poorly executed. Three of the copters were disabled or lost in sandstorms. (Pilots weren't allowed to meet with weather forecasters because someone in authority worried about security.) Five airmen and three Marines lost their lives.



So, due to overconfidence, inexperience and poor judgment, Carter undermined and lost a strong=2 0ally, Iran, that today aggressively threatens the U.S., Israel and the rest of the world with nuclear weapons.



But that's not all. After Carter met for the first time with Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev, the USSR promptly invaded Afghanistan. Carter, ever the naive appeaser, was shocked. 'I can't believe the Russians lied to me,' he said.



The invasion attracted a 23-year-old Saudi named Osama bin Laden to Afghanistan to recruit Muslim fighters and raise money for an anti-Soviet jihad. Part of that group eventually became al-Qaida, a terrorist organization that would declare war on America several times between 1996 and 1998 before attacking us on 9/11, killing more Americans than the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor.

On Carter's watch, the Soviet Union went on an unrestrained rampage in which it took over not only Afghanistan, but also Ethiopia, South Yemen, Angola, Cambodia, Mozambique, Grenada and Nicaragua.

In spite of this, Carter's last defense budget proposed spending 45% below pre-Vietnam levels for fighter aircraft, 75% for ships, 83% for attack submarines and 90% for helicopters.



Years later, as a civilian, Carter negotiated a peace agreement with North Korea to keep that communist country from developing nuclear weapons. He also convinced President Clinton and Secretary of State Madeleine Albright to go along with it. But the signed piece of paper proved worthless. The North Koreans deceived Carter and instead used our money, incentives and technical equipment to build nuclear weapons and pose the threat we face today.



Thus did Carter unwittingly become our Neville Chamberlain, creating with his well-intended but inept, unrealistic and gullible actions the very conditions that led to the three most dangerous security threats we face today: Iran, al-Qaida and North Korea.



On the domestic side, Carter gave us inflation of 15%, the highest in 34 years; interest rates of 21%, the highest in 115 years; and a severe energy crisis with lines around the block at gas stations nationwide.



In 1977, Carter, along with a Democrat Congress, created a worthy project with noble intentions—the Community Reinvestment Act. Over strong industry objections, it mandated that all banks meet the credit needs of their entire communities.



In 1995, President Clinton imposed even stronger regulations and performance tests that coerced banks to substantially increase loans to low-income, poverty-area borrowers or face fines or possible restrictions on expansion. These revisions allowed for securitization of CRA loans containing subprime mortgages.



By 1997, good loans were bundled with poor ones and sold as prime packages to institutions here and abroad. That shifted risk from the loan originators, freeing banks to begin pyramiding and make more of these profitable subprime products.



Under two young, well-intended presidents, therefore, big-government plans and mandates played a significant role in the current subprime mortgage mess and its catastrophic consequences for the U.S. and international economies.



Hardest-hit by the mortgage foreclosures have been the citizens that Democrats always claim to help most—inner-city residents who fell victim to low or no down payment schemes, unexpected adjustable rates, deceptive loan applications and commission-hungry salespeople.



Now we're having to bail out at huge cost Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the very agencies that were supposed to stabilize the system. In time, this should improve the situation. But the party of Carter and Clinton that midwifed our mortgage mess now wants to be trusted to take over and have the government run our entire system of health care!

[Zerzera]

Nice propaganda. I buy it.

[HeavenSent]

See, that's the difference between a sane person and you. A sane person wouldn't assume that Colin Powell has evil Jew divination powers unless the contrary position is somehow proven.

Speaking of sanity, since when is a 'crisis' a good thing?
Evil Jew divination powers?
That's twice you've assumed something was said that wasn't.
The only one assuming anything is YOU. :P
HAHAHA oh the irony!

[Zerzera]

Don't use words you don't comprehend.

[HeavenSent]

For anyone who wants a break from the usual, my boss sent me this interesting little piece about who "REALLY" started the downfall of America, Jimmy Carter. Based on some of the lines in the article it seems there is some exaggeration/bending to the writer's beliefs, but here it is:

Profile In Incompetence:

The Worst President In American History!

Carter was a pinhead easily manipuated by the powers that sought to control this country from the inside.

He was the Trojan Horse that brought in the beginnings of a rapid decline in the integrity of the Constitution and the freedom of Americans.

Carter has also been a long-time member of the Council for Foreign Relations (CFR), the country's most powerful, globalist-leaning foreign policy group, who have plunged America into Vietnam and other misadventures. No wonder Carter, the President, surrounded himself with no fewer than 284 members of the (CFR). Carter's "CFR team" was led by Cyrus Vance, then the Secretary of State, and by Brzezinski, his old pal from the Trilateral Commission, whom Carter had appointed the National Security Advisor.
http://www.truthinmedia.org/truthinm...ns/Carter.html