John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[Liquid Blue]

Obama is still saying "McCain would be another 4 years of Bush" and other negative ads, mostly on Palin (ie her wardrobe got blown up waaaaay more than it was worth). He's telling us that we can fund his ridiculous spending plans by stopping a war that I'm telling you from personal experience we have little to no way of getting out of in the next couple years safely.

How many ads do you see Obama putting out about Palin's wacky witch doctor, or about how many planes McCain crashed when he was in the air force? Or how he almost didn't graduate, but did because of his father/grandfather, and even then it was at the bottom of his class?

He isn't, because that shit doesn't matter. McCain's policies and record of voting consistently the same way George Bush votes, is more important than who the fuck he studied or talked about in highschool. Instead of focusing on Obama's actual policies (which you yourself are doing a better job of), McCain and his party is constantly try to throw negative shit about Obama in regards to who he pissed next to in a urinal 15 years ago or who hands him his mail every day. It's trivial shit, and not even worth the time they spend looking it up.

McCain has a record of being able to go against his party to do what he feels is right for that country. He is less conservative than I would like in a candidate for this election, but I'm personally scared of what might happen with such a liberal in office, with congress expected to be able to back him 100%

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_103718.html

So, these studies only track votes when the President has an explicit, stated opinion on a bill. According to CQ, Senator John McCain has voted with President Bush 100% of the time in 2008 and 95% of the time in 2007:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...oryId=91544414

McCain is even proposing new tax cuts, with the biggest benefits going to the top one-tenth of 1 percent of households and little relief for the bottom three-fifths of taxpayers. In a phone call with reporters, Jason Furman, Obama's new top economic adviser, thwacked McCain.

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/articleid/9559

In mid 2007, Senator Reid noted that McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq. However, here is a summary of a dozen votes (two that he missed and ten that he voted against) with respect to Iraq, funding for veterans or for troops, including equipment and armor. I have also included other snippets related to the time period when the vote occurred.

September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

August 2001: McCain voted against increasing the amount available for medical care for veterans by $650,000,000. To his credit, he also voted against the 2001 Bush tax cuts, which he now supports making permanent, despite the dire financial condition this country is in, and despite the fact that he indicated in 2001 that these tax cuts unfairly benefited the very wealthy at the expense of the middle class.

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Yea I'm really scared of what Obama could do in office, especially since McCain cares about the middle class and the troops oh so much.

As for your claim of racism in the election, you're absolutely right.

I never claimed racism in the election, I said race was going to play a factor around voting time, because there are voters who were ingrained with thinking non-whites where beneath them when they were growing up. The Bradley effect will probably have a part to play in the voting, but I'm not saying any specific thing in the election is outright racist.

You're posturing yourself to say 'Well this country is still racist. All the states that voted for Bush last election are voting for McCain this election because theyre racist, not conservative.' Thats a cop out...I'm willing to say that being black is going to net Obama more votes than it costs him just because all the people that are racist anyway are usually conservatives in the first place.

The country still has a large amount of people that are openly racist against muslims (because we can't trust muslims in america, hurr hurr) and alot of white people have reservations and deep-seated racism against black people. Thankfully the country as a whole is not racist, otherwise Obama wouldn't have gotten this far. Being black is not going to net Obama more votes, once people step behind those curtains, knowing he is black is not going to make all democrats or liberals jump up and down. People like to act one way in public but will mutter and say completely opposite shit behind closed doors and drawn curtains.

When it got to black military members, the numbers almost flipped, with Obama having the huge advantage. That right there alone tells me that its a huge turn based on race from a group that generally votes red. Judging from the polls that you love so much that has Obama up by like 13 points in every state, I cant see where you think Obama would lose key votes from white racists.

So you think if an Asian Democrat was running, the numbers for the asian soliders wouldn't flip as well? Spanish? There are always going to be people that will vote on superficial shit, whether it be the color of their skin, how attractive or tall they are, or even how hot their spouse is. It's dumb, and alot of people make decisions on their candidates for dumb reasons.

EDIT: btw, the way that you refer to Palin as "that cunt that only cares about her own political gain" is almost as bad as me referring to Barack Obama saying "that n***** that only cares about his own communist agenda."

...not in the least. She knows the McCain ship is sinking, so what has she been doing? Going against her own party, her own advisers and McCain's own advisers just to try and make sure she's set for 2012. All over the GOP advisers are saying she doesn't take advice and does what she wants. That's not how a running mate should act, regardless of how hopeless you think a campaign is running. It's some foul shit to do right at the end, and considering she tried to abuse her power in Alaska to get her ex-brother in law fired, and from what Gal posted she fixed the bids for that pipeline from alaska, she's a cunt that only cares about herself and using the power presented to her to further her own agenda. If, as this week is almost half over- Obama was starting to lay down some heavy commie shit then I could see your analogy working- but he's not, and in fact because he's not, it's making the GOP freak out even more. They see Palin acting like a shit dick and Obama is just chillin balls, letting her wreck McCain's chances even further.

The only difference is you think that shes a bad politician so it makes it fine, because its not prejudice.

The difference is she is a bad politician, something which people from both sides agree on, and she continues to repeatedly use power and attention to further her own desires. It's not prejudice when she purposely wrecks McCain's campaign just so she can salvage her own chances for the next election, it's fucking common sense. She's a cunt, and I bet you if McCain loses, he's going to have some choice words to say about her when it's all said and done.

[Cops]

All I really want to know at this point is if the Loonie will get up to 80-85 cents per $1.00 American. As soon as gas prices soar I'm back to H'erica.

Please vote the most irresponsible person into office, i want cheap shit.

[Money]

Money does rule the world, but it's not like "money" has a brain and mobility of its own to make things happen. "Those that lust for money and have control of most of it... rule the world."

FUCK YOU MAN f

[Money]

btw i saw gas today for 1.91 a gallon lawlz afk

[Cops]

mother fucker.... Gas goes up, Canadian dollar goes up. Gas goes down, I bomb you.

It's been ultra fucking low, and all you snotty New Yorkers are in Niagara Falls. Get the fuck back to Buffalo. You might enjoy the fact that you're saving 20 cents on every dollar now but I swear to god if it does not go back to being on par then I'm calling a strike.

bitch.

/sarcasm, except for the bombing part

[Vykromond]

I'm not suggesting that anything happens on that date. I just posted a video where Colin Powell says that to Tom Brokaw on the show Meet The Press.



I ready don't know what could happen on that date.
What I do know is that our economy is spiraling out of control.

http://www.youtube.com/v/ODeAqsnNzhk
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inauguration day is the 20th of january you fucking idiot

[Izor]

McCain was a navy pilot, thanks

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I ready don't know what could happen on that date.

You've been Chicken Little'ing as long as I can remember you being on these boards. You're one notch above the crazy homeless guy who's on the corner downtown, yelling about how his socks stole his wife and children, and how Bill Clinton ripped off all of his presidential acceptance speeches.

Please, shut up already.

[Squeezer]

I'm not suggesting that anything happens on that date. I just posted a video where Colin Powell says that to Tom Brokaw on the show Meet The Press.

Then what are you trying to suggest? I'm confused. You posted a video that claimed Joe Biden and Colin Powell are knowledgeable of an "international crisis" occurring in January and advocated disobedience at the end. Why? If you weren't trying to imply that something bad would happen then why post it?

And it's not like the video is unclear or anything. It clearly says something big will happen on Jan. 21st

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mother fucker.... Gas goes up, Canadian dollar goes up. Gas goes down, I bomb you.

It's been ultra fucking low, and all you snotty New Yorkers are in Niagara Falls. Get the fuck back to Buffalo. You might enjoy the fact that you're saving 20 cents on every dollar now but I swear to god if it does not go back to being on par then I'm calling a strike.

bitch.

/sarcasm, except for the bombing part

Buffalo? Shit...Buffalo is a friggin ghost town of foreclosures and abandoned buildings. I doubt it would be Buffalo ppl, as I do not think they have two dimes to rub together. They should just level Buffalo. I cannot figure out how they can support pro sports teams unless the tik prices are no more than $5

[404 Not Found]

McCain was a navy pilot, thanks

And obviously a poor pilot at that. During his relative short stunt on flight status, McCain lost FIVE U.S. Navy aircraft, four in accidents and one in combat. I loved reading this about John:

Navy pilot John Sidney McCain should have never been allowed to graduate from the U.S. Navy flight school based upon his grades and lack of classroom attention to lectures. He was a below average student and a lousy pilot. Had his father and grandfather not been famous four star U.S. Navy admirals, McCain would have never been allowed in the cockpit of a military aircraft.

I think you get labeled a ‘Screw-Up’ after losing the third one. I don't think you will find any other military pilot, who has cost the US Tax payer more in lost military equipment than McCain and was a bigger danger to fellow soldiers because of his recklessness and questionable intellect.

He doesn't have a prayer to win the election in an honest fashion and only corrupt ballot voting scre-up's could allow for a McCain win IMHO. It happened for Bush twice why not McCain!?!?!

For a guy who only had 28 actual military hours, McCain got 28 medals, that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. I am sure there had been 1000's of other ground and air troops that deserved such medals and never got them. The proclaimed so-called hero! hero of what? his deceipt and lies backed by the fact he had a father and grand father who had been active Admirals that allowed for John to do as he wanted?

I just do not understand the GOP and why they nominated such a loser, especially after he picked Palin. So many better choices and yet it would seem that if the Religious Right doesn't give its blessing then they can not be the candidate or be supported by the party? Such a small group that holds such a strong hold on the Republicans.

It should really get interesting if the likes of Mitch McConnell get ousted with a slew of others such as that idiot Liddy Dole who has not even voted in 99% of the issues that came up for vote. Liddy needs to stop trying to appease everything the Christian Coalition wants and start to do work for the people that voted her into office, as do most on the ultra right. She is such a dumb ass politician.

[Pearl Jam]

seriously 404, be more of a left-wing extremist. i dare you.

WHO CARES WHO CARES WHO CARES

seriously, i could give a flying shit about your past failings, your past questionable connections, your past mistakes, the planes you've crashed, the fat girls you've fucked, WHATEVER. 87% of this thread is complete regurgitated media garbage.

if they're able to at least make PROGRESS towards solving the major issues our country currently faces, sign me the fuck up

stop pledging to strong arm countries (i'm looking at you, mccain) unless its viewed as absolutely necessary. stop running a campaign that HIGHLIGHTS the fact that you're a reactionary old curmudgeon.

don't raise taxes in order to "spread the wealth" when the economy is already struggling and peoples' wealth is DECREASING (i'm looking at you, obama) - i've worked hard for my wealth thus far, sharing even MORE of it with a 19 year old with 3 kids and a drinking problem isn't what i have in mind.

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don't raise taxes in order to "spread the wealth" when the economy is already struggling and peoples' wealth is DECREASING (i'm looking at you, obama) - i've worked hard for my wealth thus far, sharing even MORE of it with a 19 year old with 3 kids and a drinking problem isn't what i have in mind.

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For a 26 yr old, are you that wealthy that your making over $250,000 a year income? If not, then your not going to see your taxes increase.

I've worked hard for my wealth and my company will pay the monies due to being in that tax bracket. Regardless of my being in that income level, I am happy to pay it an not cry about it.

BTW my comment was in quoting Izor and not to be an extremist as you so nicely noted.

Do I honestly care though...not really.

But please note that I've worked hard for my wealth thus far too, sharing even MORE of it with a 39 year old with 3 kids and a drinking problem isn't what i have in mind. It doiesn't have to be a 19 year old, as I see more fuckwads in their late 20 through 30's than I see in a 19 year old... The 19 year old doesn't steal from banking and brokerage firms that I am now paying off with my tax dollars so that they can give themselves $100,000.00 + bonus checks!

Your worried about a friggin 19 year old and not AIG and other houses that fucked you already. Get ready, as the Fed wants to bail out the losers called the Big 3 of which should only go bankrupt!

[Cops]

Buffalo? Shit...Buffalo is a friggin ghost town of foreclosures and abandoned buildings. I doubt it would be Buffalo ppl, as I do not think they have two dimes to rub together. They should just level Buffalo. I cannot figure out how they can support pro sports teams unless the tik prices are no more than $5

You know what, you're probably right. I doubt they were all from Buffalo. I don't know why anyone in their right mind would live in that crap-town.

For a 26 yr old, are you that wealthy that your making over $250,000 a year income? If not, then your not going to see your taxes increase.

I've worked hard for my wealth and my company will pay the monies due to being in that tax bracket. Regardless of my being in that income level, I am happy to pay it an not cry about it.

BTW my comment was in quoting Izor and not to be an extremist as you so nicely noted.

Do I honestly care though...not really.

But please note that I've worked hard for my wealth thus far too, sharing even MORE of it with a 39 year old with 3 kids and a drinking problem isn't what i have in mind. It doiesn't have to be a 19 year old, as I see more fuckwads in their late 20 through 30's than I see in a 19 year old... The 19 year old doesn't steal from banking and brokerage firms that I am now paying off with my tax dollars so that they can give themselves $100,000.00 + bonus checks!

Your worried about a friggin 19 year old and not AIG and other houses that fucked you already. Get ready, as the Fed wants to bail out the losers called the Big 3 of which should only go bankrupt!

The thing is that people who make 50-100k a year are starting to worry about this idea of 'spreading the wealth around'. I think you hit home by saying nicely if you don't make more than $250,000 a year or more then sit down and shut up, cause these tax hikes don't concern you. If you make $250,000 a year or more and you've been making that money for several years now then sit down and shut up, cause you've had a ridiculous amount of tax cuts over the past eight years. Tax cuts which should have never been given in the first place.

edit: Think about it for one second. Obama is only going to raise the tax bracket back to what they were while Bill Clinton was president.

Here's a recipe for disaster - cut taxes to the wealthiest members of society before you start a long drawn out war. Forcing the 'other' tax payers ie the middle and lower class to fund this conflict. Not only are the middle and lower class paying outrageous amounts of money for their tax bracket they're receiving less services. How is that possible? Because all their money is getting pumped into Iraq. Who wins? The wealthiest people who have been given a free pass on funding all of America's endeavors.

[HeavenSent]

Then what are you trying to suggest? I'm confused. You posted a video that claimed Joe Biden and Colin Powell are knowledgeable of an "international crisis" occurring in January and advocated disobedience at the end. Why? If you weren't trying to imply that something bad would happen then why post it?

And it's not like the video is unclear or anything. It clearly says something big will happen on Jan. 21st

Why not post it? Joe Biden & Colin Powell are 2 men that work in a profession where they get to see information before the general public ever sees it or often is never exposed to. With this in mind, I think it would be wise for us to at least be ready for some big news or possibly a major event.

FUCK YOU MAN f

Much love to you too! ....man. :wub:

inauguration day is the 20th of january you fucking idiot

Who said anything about inauguration day? I haven't made any statements to the contrary. <_<

Please, shut up already.

HA HA! LOL Get over it. :P