John McCain vs Barack Obama Mega-Politic-Thread of super fun awesomeness.

[Pandagirl!]

your missing the point that Hitler was a guy promoting change for Germany, who promised to fix everything and found a scapegoat for everything. He was a brilliant speaker and people loved him because he wanted hope and change for Germany. Just saying it sounds very familiar.

Yes, but Hitler also pulled Germany out of a huge economic depression. I'm not defending him completely, because he did horrible things, but he did help the economy and give millions jobs. That's just often overlooked because of the Holocaust.



And as for Palin's daughter, yea, it doesn't send the best message, but who cares? Her daughter isn't running for president. She's nearly an adult and can make her own decisions. Obama himself was born to an 18 year old mother. I'm not sure if she was married at the time or not, but there isn't much difference between the two. It's just that one of them is loosely affiliated with a presidential race, so suddenly it's a big deal.

[PUNK rock]

oil companies don't have a very big grip at all.

I think you forget about the grip they have on patents related to alternative energy technology. Whoops!

[Kolar]

And as for Palin's daughter, yea, it doesn't send the best message, but who cares? Her daughter isn't running for president.

No she isn't but she is her daughter. All of the things Palin supposedly supports (for example abstinence only sex education) we can surmise she practiced with her own children yet the reality of those failing polices, not statistics, not far away gated off middle class people, her family has to deal with it.

[Cops]

all shit aside these political threads have warranted more than one ban,

So what you're saying is that kthx thinks that Obama is hitler because he thinks he'll pull your country out of an economic recession?

I'm okay with that,

[Summa]

yet again, kthx: familiarize yourself with the concept of peak oil, you failed to select which option of paying for these nuclear plants and oil facilities you'd elect to choose, and you really need to familiarize yourself with the space power satelite. if we were to harness solar energy @ a very low efficiency rate it would trample the production of oil. all of the rest of what you said isn't really worth responding to because its mostly personal attacks against conc which demonstrates a lack of substance to your argument. i will wait until you get informed until i continue this discussion

[Jerome Scuggs]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please, keep the funnies coming. At the rate the world consumes right now, oil will be all but gone in 100 years.

kthx actually does make a point: in places like china (which is the world's highest oil consumer) the government subsidizes oil - the chinese pay alot less for gas and so the demand is artificially high. it means as other economies like the U.S. slowly wean themselves off oil, the chinese will keep consuming until there's none left.

Yes, but Hitler also pulled Germany out of a huge economic depression. I'm not defending him completely, because he did horrible things, but he did help the economy and give millions jobs. That's just often overlooked because of the Holocaust.

He didn't create jobs, he created government positions for his state-planned war machine. In the long run their economy suffered even more and very little actual net job growth was sustained.

I think you forget about the grip they have on patents related to alternative energy technology. Whoops!

No, I didn't. That's a different discussion but off the top of my head I'll tell you that the top alternative fuel solutions in solar, wind and thermal technologies are all owned by non-oil business interests and ventures. If you read the article I posted it also discusses how oil companies are actually slacking in their alternative fuel research because they're having to drop so much money into exploration and finding ways to extend their current supplies - whoops!

[Fit of Rage]

kthx actually does make a point: in places like china (which is the world's highest oil consumer) the government subsidizes oil - the chinese pay alot less for gas and so the demand is artificially high. it means as other economies like the U.S. slowly wean themselves off oil, the chinese will keep consuming until there's none left.

Which is all the more reason we should be investing in alternative energy NOW, not 10 or 20 years from now.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I think that any American who fails to show proper respect to his/her country shouldn't be trying to run for president, yes it is a very big deal. Especially people who have died or have had relatives who have died while defending what the flag stands for. It isn't "fucking childish" its what America is, and what we fight for.

I don't know what your America is, but mine is one that is based on the principles it stands for, not a piece of colored cloth. The obsession that somehow the symbol of the nation is greater than it's collective worth is an outmoded distraction.

You got one of the guesses you made about me right, and it isn't hard to guess that at 23 I don't have a house yet. My guess was merely to prove a point that ignorant guess work doesn't really have any point in an educated conversation.

No, it means everything in an educated conversation. How are you supposed to have an informed position on the state of the economy when you don't even own a house? I'd say that percentage of home ownership (and their respective fiscal health) is a pretty decent part of the equation when talking about the whole of a nation's economy.

The price in oil was directly related to President Bush's removal of the executive drilling order. Between that and the growing push by America led by Newt Gingrich's drill here drill now petition.

So the two things that were the main drive behind the drop in oil prices were a symbolic statement by the president and a petition? A petition? Let's talk for a second about how relevant petitions are in today's society--almost nil. No fucking way were either of these two things major players.

I said I supported finding alternative means for meeting our energy goals in America, but at the same time we need to go ahead and drill for the energy we have, and know how to create.

Oil companies have been saying the same thing for years--"Don't worry, we've got your back in the future. We'll keep drilling for oil, but we've got alternatives on the back burner. It's coming. Soon. We promise!" I call bullshit. It's time to act decisively.

it's funny you say that.. because to produce the power of one nuclear plant, you would need 100x the land worth of solar panels and or wind mills. I would rather see one nuclear plant than 50000 windmills and 50000 solar panels spread across the landscape.

Again, using current technology. Advances are made in solar all the time, with photovoltaics and other techs gaining efficiency and shrinking in size. Wind technologies are experiencing large breakthroughs in how to harness and store energy.

Nuclear seems okay, until you ask yourself what you're going to do with the by-product. And how do you tell the rest of the world (that you don't like) that they can't have a nuclear reactor to produce energy, and you can? There's tons of arguments about why this is flawed policy.

And sure, like I have been saying lets go ahead and think about some new ways to solve the problem of windmills being nearly useless at this point and time, but lets go ahead and drill for oil and build nuclear plants at the same time.

Nearly useless? I live fairly close to a small wind farm, and it fully powers a few small towns around it. COMPLETELY. If wind energy is "nearly useless," then I'm really going to have to start thinking of a new adjective for your banter, because mine was completely too lenient.

The same way Obama tells us how terrible our country is, isn't an attempt to make people repeat his bumper sticker slogans of change and hope. Right.

I'd rather see someone with a bumper sticker that hinted at a better life for all of us, than be constantly hammered on with "TERROR LEVEL ELEVATED! Make sure your neighbor isn't a terrorist!" by Fox News.

The Bible, which the United States was based on, look at a dollar.

Who wrote the Bible? Man. Look, I'm not going to get into a religion debate, because this is so far past that, but men are wrong about all sorts of things. It's a tired analogy, but the Bible also says that slavery's okay, yadda yadda yadda. Things CAN (and SHOULD) be able to change. Just because someone wrote something down a few hundred years ago doesn't mean you have to strictly conform to it's rubric.

Hes still the president, he said President Clinton, but not President Bush.

And you're crying about that? Why? Why in the blue fuck does it matter if he called him Captain Motherfucking Crunch of the Starship Battlecooch?

The president should love America, and if you are right he wouldn't have caved into pressure and started wearing it after it was brought up as a problem.

Hahaha, are you serious? You can't be fucking serious.

It's still stupid

So is "bomb bomb bomb Iran." People (even presidential candidates) do stupid shit all the time.

Bill Ayres

I'll look it up and get back to you.

How can it be worse than someone who says Not god bless America, god damn America, and the US of KKK A.

I'll get back to you here too... there are some doozys, I'll just have to cue them up.

I think my side of the party uses the drinking the kool-aid bit, get your own line.

I tell you what, I'll invade your party and take that line by force, then occupy it for a few years. It'll only cost me a few hundred billion! What a deal!

[Kolar]

He didn't create jobs, he created government positions for his state-planned war machine. In the long run their economy suffered even more and very little actual net job growth was sustained.

Yeah he really fucked up, that whole labor shortage and all...

And you're crying about that? Why? Why in the blue fuck does it matter if he called him Captain Motherfucking Crunch of the Starship Battlecooch?

I've got no words.

[Fit of Rage]

And you're crying about that? Why? Why in the blue fuck does it matter if he called him Captain Motherfucking Crunch of the Starship Battlecooch?

Post of the year.

[Money]

this thread is more funny than serious, thanks for the jokes wark!

[Zerzera]

kthx actually does make a point: in places like china (which is the world's highest oil consumer) the government subsidizes oil - the chinese pay alot less for gas and so the demand is artificially high. it means as other economies like the U.S. slowly wean themselves off oil, the chinese will keep consuming until there's none left.

Figures please? Since what day China became top oil consumer, because I am quite sure that China's industry still mainly runs on coal. Just like the mayority of households there still run on coal.

He didn't create jobs, he created government positions for his state-planned war machine. In the long run their economy suffered even more and very little actual net job growth was sustained.

Yes, he just robbed a significant portion of his population (and other countries). But he underestimated the cost of war, just like Bush.

[kthx]

I have to go to work so I will obviously make a longer post later when I get off.

But.

1. I look forward to you looking up Ayres.

2. If not for the pressure to drill by the people of America on congress, and President Bush removing the ban on executive oil, what factors resulted in within 12 hours of President Bush's speech gas prices starting to drop, and continuing to drop for 2 months straight until the gustav forced oil drill workers to evacuate the oil derricks in the Gulf of Mexico. Do tell please.

[Zerzera]

Do tell please.

'World wide' recession.

[Da1andonly]

so wark, I'm just curious if you've actually changed (or even TRIED to change) your views...on, well, anything at all, really.

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