Gay Marriage 2008- Topic revisited

[Summa]

2) Do unto others as you would have them do unto you

Aka, the golden rule, read my sig.

And why is the religious side being brought into this? Has anyone heard of separation of church and state? It doesn't matter what your pastor tells you, he can't influence the government. This is strictly economics, and political. Just think if you are the president that pushes for gay marriage. You won't get very much further politically in your life but you will probably be praised after your dead.

As for the Church's (capital C for Catholic) stance on homosexuality, they say that it is completely fine to be homosexual since it is something you are born with, but you cannot act sexually on those desires....now how fucked up is that?

[Izor]

perfectly reasonable

[Fluffz]

Wait, so you think people have kids because they can get tax benefits??! Is that why poor people have way more kids than rich people? The reasons why people in richer nations don't have kids extends FAR beyond gay marriage. For example, Japan and Hong Kong have the lowest birth rates in the developed world, and you better believe they do not support gay marriage.

Yes i do. Getting children is also - should also - be a financial question. You need to give rich people a reason to get poorer, as romantic as love is its not as romantic as the yearly 5* Bali vacation. Its one of my major political concerns that social infrastructure for children needs more money.

Wait, isn't this an argument against ALL adoption? ANYONE who adopts a kid from gay couple from Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt gets an advantage because they don't have to take time off work and don't have to breastfeed. This isn't an argument against gay marriage, it's an argument against ALL ADOPTION.

But the only way a gay couple can have a child is by adoption (a situation where something has gone wrong in the first place) so this argument works just fine. A couple that can not have children is not the same as a couple that can have children. Jet you want to throw them under a single law.
What about a man-woman couple that cant get kids due to a medical problem? Well it would not be fair to discriminate people because of how they were born. Again, unless you call being gay a disease i dont see why equal rights are a good thing. Being gay is a choice like getting successful or criminal. The choice is your right, but requesting the same law as someone who makes the other choice is silly.
This conformity of marriage (bound to the devaluation that comes for man-woman couples) is a problem for me. The equalisation of unequal individuals results in a weakening of society. Its not called acceptance when you turn nonconformity into a colourless middle way, not only in this case but in general.

The more kids, the more cheques.

Right here you are torpedoing the traditional family when you complained about birth rates just a few lines earlier. I have been lucky enough to grow up in a such an environment, i think protecting this social structure is worth more effort. And giving a cheque to a single just like to a family is definitely not going to do that. Furthermore i am pretty sure this kid would profit more from a family than from this cheque.

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

Being gay is a choice like getting successful or criminal. The choice is your right, but requesting the same law as someone who makes the other choice is silly.

Wow. Just wow.

[Displaced]

they are just pouring out of the woodwork today...

[Fluffz]

Wow. Just wow.

Wow. Just wow. Your ignorance might be appropriate when you argue with kthx but i have to ask you to give me alternatives. Otherwise ill just assume you never thought about the issue. Ill even help you. People become gay because:

• They are born with a gene that forces them to undertake gay actions. I disagree.
• They were forced into their role - and can not escape it - because of their past. A dangerous argument, someone could say being gay is a disease like depression. Obviously i disagree again.
• God made them fall in eternal love but took them their possibility of reproduction. Great God, i disagree once more.
• People fall in love out of free will. Judging by the amount of bi sexual persons; judging by the increased age some people are before they find out what they like; judging by how fast you fall in love when you are single and how slow you fall in love during a serious relationship i do think free will plays a major role when you try to fall in love.

If i forgot anything feel free to express yourself. Never mind the fact that you completely ignored my point. When the relationship of gays and the traditional marriage get combined the resulting law is a compromise. Both sides lose a chunk of their ideology just to give people an easy way to accept each other. Both sides should learn from their individuality and let marriage be marriage. The next people that demand access to this law will be the old pair in the retirement home so they can get some benefits too. Soon to be followed by the single moms in lose relationships. Hell lets call everyone married since that status doesnt stand for anything anymore, what a joke. Or we have the married couple and the gay living partners next to each other, each with their own set of rules, benefits and identification.


edit: Or was it the word law that distubed you? I guess that would be a valid point, i probably used a wrong word there. It should have said: The choice is your right, but requesting the same treatment as someone who makes the other choice is silly

[MetalHeadz]

Because it's WHAT JESUS WOULD DO.

So you're interpretation of what Jesus would do, trumps that of what is actually written in the Bible?

[Nycle]

Wow. Just wow. Your ignorance might be appropriate when you argue with kthx but i have to ask you to give me alternatives. Otherwise ill just assume you never thought about the issue. Ill even help you. People become gay because:

• They are born with a gene that forces them to undertake gay actions. I disagree.
• They were forced into their role - and can not escape it - because of their past. A dangerous argument, someone could say being gay is a disease like depression. Obviously i disagree again.
• God made them fall in eternal love but took them their possibility of reproduction. Great God, i disagree once more.
• People fall in love out of free will. Judging by the amount of bi sexual persons; judging by the increased age some people are before they find out what they like; judging by how fast you fall in love when you are single and how slow you fall in love during a serious relationship i do think free will plays a major role when you try to fall in love.

I have something for you to add to your list: the fact that unborn babies are subject to certain chemical processes in the womb that affect the sexual preference of a child. Obviously I know very little about this biological process, but I believe it has something to do with an excess in or lack of testosterone and oestrogen that the infant is exposed to. I do know that this process is undergoing research from the scientific world and that the general consensus among scientists (correct me if I'm wrong here) is that this is currently our best possible explanation from a biological point of view, which implies that it's not a matter of choice or "free will" at all.

Have you ever considered that?

[Galleleo]

Fucking Madonna and Angelina Jolie getting kids and still being able to continue working, fuck them, bunch of unnatural bitches. WHEN YOU GET KIDS YOU HAS TO SUFFER AND BREASTFEED AND NOT WORK!!!!!!!

Also, I think LB choose to be black, it wasn't something he was born with, he totally made the choice. Bastard

[*]People fall in love out of free will. Judging by the amount of bi sexual persons; judging by the increased age some people are before they find out what they like; judging by how fast you fall in love when you are single and how slow you fall in love during a serious relationship i do think free will plays a major role when you try to fall in love.[/LIST]

Bullshit, just because chicks in college like to see what it is like to have sex with other chicks, it doesnt mean they are in love with those chicks, maybe it just means they are drunk. Also, the whole fast and slow theory, bullshit. A bunch of people I know are really slow at really falling in love with people, single or not. Then there is also people in a serious relationship who meet someone for just 10 minutes and BAM they are stuck with feelings they cant explain.

But seeing as you are so right Fluffz, why don't you tell me at exactly what age, what day and what moment it was that you choose to like girls? Was it just that you woke up one day and thought: Man, I am gonna go out and be attracted to girls. Was it that you saw a naked man and a naked woman next to each other and you thought, man that woman totally looks far more awesome, I am gonna start diggin chicks. You do not choose who are what you are attracted too. At a certain point you just start liking girls, you start getting turned on by girls. For gay people, at a certain point they start liking boys (or girls) and start getting turned on by then.

The next people that demand access to this law will be the old pair in the retirement home so they can get some benefits too.

I don't know how much Haider affected Austria before he decided to get liquored up and drive at twice the speed limit to his death, but it is not uncommon for old people to get married, and once they do, they get the same benefits as younger people. Your arguments are fairly illogical.

[Mantra-Slider]

Women should never be working in the first place.

ty for this.

[kthx]

Damn, Izor got the one up on me this time.

[Izor]

Ok, I'll restate myself to make it more clear and less sexist. Women who are married/in a relationship with children should not be working. Someone needs to be at home with the children to raise them properly. I dont think society is capable of doing that, which is what the child would be subject to with no parents around.

Obviously the woman might be able to make more money if the guy is a loser or she managed to get a really good job, but the fact is women make something like 73 cents to the dollar that men do.

[kthx]

That is because women aren't as good as men though, it has nothing to do with sexism.

[raizin]

That is because women aren't as good as men though, it has nothing to do with sexism.

A recent study by the University of Florida reports that men who have sexist attitudes make $8,500 more per year than their pussy-whipped counterparts.

http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com...ke-more-money/

[Izor]

ROFL that link is hilarious