President Barack Obama

[Izor]

oh how i hope california would float away and be its own country

[Izor]

And since we don't know what caused the big bang, God would be our default answer until Newtonius Einstein von Copernicus III discovers what caused the big bang some hundreds of years in the future.

This is a different discussion entirely. None of us here will ever understand what caused matter to be scientifically be created, but do you believe that it came from nothing? or that its always been there? I personally as a kid, growing up in a family that didnt go to church, went through school only learning about science vs religion and as a result believed that religion was only established to explain what we could not explain through science. I would still like to believe that to this day because I cannot imagine the existence of a god in this world we live in, but theres some things that simply cannot be explained through science and no one in here can possibly think they truly know the answer to the question

[GuruMeditation]

I gotta be honest I have mixed emotions about all this. I had "openly non-christian" in the "Next group to get their first president" sweeps.

Anyone else want in? Take your pick between "female", "openly gay", "openly non-christian", "Asian", "Native American" or "Hispanic".

[Vykromond]

"God caused the big bang. Everything that came afterwards can be explained using science."

That's pretty much all that should be said about intelligent design.

Historically speaking, mankind has always associated that which cannot be explained to God (or gods) until finding logical, scientific explanations to natural events and phenomena.

Ex.
1. God makes it so people can walk on earth without floating around.
2a. No that's gravity.
2b. Oh, then god causes gravity.
3a. No, gravity is caused by the mass of the earth.
3b. Oh. Well then god created the earth.
4a. No, the earth was created by natural astronomical events after our solar system's sun was created.
4b. Oh. Well god created the sun.
5a. No, the sun was created by millions of particles in the universe compressed into a single mass over billions of year.
5b. Oh. Well then god created the universe.
6a. No, the universe is theorized to be created by the big bang at some indeterminate time that spontaneously created everything.
6b. Oh. Well then god caused the big bang.

And since we don't know what caused the big bang, God would be our default answer until Newtonius Einstein von Copernicus III discovers what caused the big bang some hundreds of years in the future.

This is called the "god of the gaps" fyi. You might know that already, just pointing it out

[Cops]

I think from a philosophical level I seek more pertinent answers, such as why is there such a thing as matter? And why does life even exist? The answer of "it just does" isn't good enough for me.

I feel like just dropping the link. I've already passed it on to Liquid Blue. http://www.ninjavideo.net/video/4142

[Scoop]

oh how i hope california would float away and be its own country

agreed.

[Troll King]

[Jerome Scuggs]

What does it mean when Jerome stops punctuating and capitalizing?

it means i am thinking too fast for my hands to keep up

[ConcreteSchlyrd]

I gotta be honest I have mixed emotions about all this. I had "openly non-christian" in the "Next group to get their first president" sweeps.

Anyone else want in? Take your pick between "female", "openly gay", "openly non-christian", "Asian", "Native American" or "Hispanic".

I'll pick up "hispanic"... they're due. It's just too bad that people like Michelle Malkin, Ann Coulter, et al will surely pull out the "S/he's hispanic! Electing him/her means more illegal aliens!"

God bless retarded pundits.

[DankNuggets]

"God caused the big bang. Everything that came afterwards can be explained using science."

That's pretty much all that should be said about intelligent design.

Historically speaking, mankind has always associated that which cannot be explained to God (or gods) until finding logical, scientific explanations to natural events and phenomena.

Ex.
1. God makes it so people can walk on earth without floating around.
2a. No that's gravity.
2b. Oh, then god causes gravity.
3a. No, gravity is caused by the mass of the earth.
3b. Oh. Well then god created the earth.
4a. No, the earth was created by natural astronomical events after our solar system's sun was created.
4b. Oh. Well god created the sun.
5a. No, the sun was created by millions of particles in the universe compressed into a single mass over billions of year.
5b. Oh. Well then god created the universe.
6a. No, the universe is theorized to be created by the big bang at some indeterminate time that spontaneously created everything.
6b. Oh. Well then god caused the big bang.

And since we don't know what caused the big bang, God would be our default answer until Newtonius Einstein von Copernicus III discovers what caused the big bang some hundreds of years in the future.

This is called the "god of the gaps" fyi. You might know that already, just pointing it out

This is perfectly acceptable in my mind, idk why you have to call it "god of gaps" just to undermine it. Not that you in particular came up with that name, but it definitely has a good bit of bias to it. I'd note that most people I've talked to who follow that sort of ideology (god set the world into motion) would probably be offended by the term "god of gaps". It fits i guess, but it's no more biased than calling christianity mythology.

so it's called the "god of gaps" by skeptics who write it off

it's called religion or faith by people who believe it =/

[Vykromond]

It should have a bias. The whole point is that religion is nonsensical because the things it purports to explain are eventually explained by science. The idea is to point at an inductive "proof" of the falseness of religious belief. Not making a statement about the validity of the argument, but if you think most religious believers frame their belief explicitly in terms of the "god of the gaps" argument you're wrong.

[Izor]

so what created matter then genius? Since you know everything maybe you can explain this to me. Its so ridiculous to believe in a god yet you know why we're here I guess? I'm asking this as someone who used to think the same thing but realized over time that I will never know the answer to this question. I cant call people ridiculous that believe, especially seeing as how some of the atheist scientists who have gone out to prove the lack of existence of a god have converted to some sort of belief citing how improbable it would be for Earth to be here naturally...and I'm pretty sure those guys are smarter than all of us here. So, if they find it reasonable to believe....

[HateTheFake]

so what created matter then genius? Since you know everything maybe you can explain this to me. Its so ridiculous to believe in a god yet you know why we're here I guess? I'm asking this as someone who used to think the same thing but realized over time that I will never know the answer to this question. I cant call people ridiculous that believe, especially seeing as how some of the atheist scientists who have gone out to prove the lack of existence of a god have converted to some sort of belief citing how improbable it would be for Earth to be here naturally...and I'm pretty sure those guys are smarter than all of us here. So, if they find it reasonable to believe....

lol izor no use in trying to reason with them.

[Kolar]

so what created matter then genius?

Matter and energy can not be created or destroyed. I have no problem with people who want to fill in the gaps with religion for their own personal belief system. But those people who try to fill in the gaps of science with faith and belief; trying to reduce and examine the existence of supernatural causation are ultimately on the wrong track. Just the same an "atheist scientist" would never go down the path of proving the non-existence of any supernatural being. Science is exclusive to the natural, reducible, testable world. All of these matters are best left to philosophy and theology.

[MetalHeadz]

Congratulations America, you picked the best guy by a longshot.

EDIT: Lol, I see this topic turned into another science vs. religion debate!! Classic.