Muslim Demographics

[Cops]

do you not like to laugh or something because these forums are p funny

It might be satisfying to bask in kthx's ignorance, but after awhile it stops being funny and it's just really stupid. Needless to say, the novelty wears off pretty quickly.

agreed, unless you take threads like this one seriously

which is a really really bad idea

The sad part is that some people are being serious, and the things that they are saying are things they believe to be true.

[Noah]

What his meaning and intentions was doesn't help shit, he should be smart enough to understand the consequences of what he's saying.

Nuke the pope.

[D1st0rt]

So when he goes "condoms are wrong, you sinful creature!" and actually claiming that condoms make the spreading of HIV and AIDS worse.
""It cannot be overcome by the distribution of condoms. On the contrary, they increase the problem"

Thumbs up for popey! So just because he is fucked up or says fucked up things, catholicism is bad or in denial?

You misinterpret his meaning. Obviously yes on a low level, case by case basis a condom will reduce the likeliness of transmission of HIV. What he was trying to get at is that condoms contribute to a societal deviation from being exclusively monogamous, which does in fact make AIDS worse than if everyone only ever had one partner.

I don't think getting rid of condoms is going to reverse that mindset at all, but I can understand where he is coming from.

[Galaxy Turbo]

I notice nobody wants to try to argue this.

That's because there's nothing really inaccurate about what you've said. It's true that some muslims (including only few of their Imams) have an issue with adapting to some elements of western culture, including its laws and ideals.
Though honestly it can equally be argued that most muslims in the west can abide by the foreign laws that country developed and currently follows.

Not sure how I can expand on this any more.

[PH]

do you not like to laugh or something because these forums are p funny

agreed, unless you take threads like this one seriously

which is a really really bad idea

[kthx]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamofascism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jylland...ns_controversy

http://bnp.org.uk/2008/07/2793/

http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...g-walkers.html

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Like I said the problem with the people of this faith that immigrate in mass to a country is that they don't learn to live with that countries traditions and origins and refuse to respond to that countries beliefs. Instead they choose to protest things that that the country they are living in consider alright and ok, they protest that countries religions and try to act like their mosque is its own foreign country, not held to the same laws, rules, and social constructs of the nation that the mosque is built in. Also notice that many of these articles mention the fact that many times violence is used, the fact is that a lot of countries are terrified of upsetting the Islamic faith that live in their countries in fear of extreme retribution and retaliation due to their extremist beliefs. Nobody can argue this, there are thousands of articles similar to the ones I just posted that point to a clear and obvious fear from governments when it comes to dealing with these people.

I notice nobody wants to try to argue this.

[Ephemeral]

1.) What is wrong with the world is epitomized in this thread.

2.) What is wrong with you people? The real demographic threat is aliens from outter space, I read somewhere on this forum that they are coming en masse very soon. Next thing you know aliens will be given the right to vote, will become embedded in our governments, will consume all the starting positions in the NBA, they will be found sitting in the first pew of our churchs, and they will be even be breeding with our women! They will even infiltrate TW by forming their own squads and winning league championships! What's next? My real fear is that they will come into the TW forum and have sigs bragging about their ability to own us by listing their many championships.

[Galaxy Turbo]

The comments of "western women are like uncovered pieces of meat" and "it is these women's fault for being raped" were made to a muslim gathering immediately after a gang of muslim youths were sentenced to long prison terms for raping young Australian girls.
They were obviously defending the rape gang and degrading the victims, aswell as condoning such behaviour.
How can you possibly say it was blown out of proportion?

I wasn't talking about that story in particular. Because a particular Imam or leader speaks saying "these women were at fault for dressing this way", doesn't mean that the particular community or culture is condoning it. It is an opinion being imposed at a larger scale as the Imam has the ability to do this. I'm not saying it's right to do that, but that is what's going on and it saddens to see it. Islam still isn't at fault for it, as the Qu'ran doesn't condone rape/murder etc. As I said before, it's absolutist against such actions and misinterpretations are having a massive effect on everyones perspective on Islam as a whole, media attention makes it sound like this is what Muslims think is right, and it's wrong. That is how it's blown out of proportion.

Quite possibly, but the Quran only reinforces their belief that they are in a holy war between infidels and themselves.

If they feel they are under attack and the west claims a "war against terror", they will feel victimised and attacked, they feel the need to defend their religion and it's values etc. There are different motives for going into war, and they feel it is a defensive measure.

These statements are coming from Islam's western leaders. They have no political power, and are merely figureheads who are chosen and followed by the western muslim communities.

A quick search online and there are leaders who are removed and arrested for making such claims. "Rabih Haddad" was a leader arrested in his own home, with his organisation's assets frozen for supported terrorism. Now we know terrorism and rape etc. are different things, but the point still stands that not all leaders keep their positions, even in the west.

A system that is based on the Islamic religion.

I'm not as fully educated about things such as Shari'ah law in the middle east as I'd like to be, so I don't know what kind of conclusions are made based on that justice system. I can't judge if their system is flawed or is working or whatever, but it does sound like something may need to be done about it if the situation is besides political, but I'm not sure it is.

Please show me which post I have ignored.

I didn't mean you mate, you've read all my posts and debate just fine, I just meant some others in this thread.

On the contrary your counter-arguments are flawed and try to gloss over my posts with vague and anecdotal responses.
For example: I argued that in Islamic nations, the muslim faith is practised in its uninhibited form. And in such countries, honour killings, rape, murder, pedophilia, and domestic violence are all an accepted part of their society.
To which you replied: "It isn't because the people approve of it, this is just what's happening now as a result of a system currently in place."
So the system forces men to beat and kill their wives? hmm...
Another of your techniques is to claim parts of my argument are "another topic, which we wont get into now".

I can't argue for the system if I'm not well-enough educated about it, but does it force men to beat and kill their wives? I highly doubt it.

I am far from a religious fanatic, I am not sure if I would even call myself Christian. You dont have to be religious to be critical of Islam as it has the nature to impede on western society in general.

I think this is a problem too, if muslims are to be moving over to western society, they should abide by its laws and regulations, without interfering so much with a system that isn't theirs. There are many muslims out there doing this, living by the laws, to the point that they would pledge allegiance to the western country they are living in. That means standing by that country's values and ideals.

I actually quite respect your ability to argue your points to be honest, you're a strong debater.

[Vykromond]

yeah, these forums really are a waste of time.

do you not like to laugh or something because these forums are p funny

[TagMor]

It's not that it was an extreme misinterpretation, it was a small interpretation blown out of proportion. There's a large difference there. The covering of women in Islam is a different argument,

The comments of "western women are like uncovered pieces of meat" and "it is these women's fault for being raped" were made to a muslim gathering immediately after a gang of muslim youths were sentenced to long prison terms for raping young Australian girls.
They were obviously defending the rape gang and degrading the victims, aswell as condoning such behaviour.
How can you possibly say it was blown out of proportion?

I can't possibly speak for the Muslims who currently live in the Middle East, but I can imagine that they feel victimised due to the "war on terror" and they are under attack.

Quite possibly, but the Quran only reinforces their belief that they are in a holy war between infidels and themselves.

Now this I'd have to disagree with. Do you really feel that the muslims in the middle east have the power to overthrow such imams and higher authorities? With extremist groups taking over, there is lots of oppression and not much the people can do about it without third-party intervention,

These statements are coming from Islam's western leaders. They have no political power, and are merely figureheads who are chosen and followed by the western muslim communities.

If rape and murder statistics in the Middle East are high, you can't conclude that rape and murder is condoned there. It isn't because the people approve of it, this is just what's happening now as a result of a system currently in place.

A system that is based on the Islamic religion.

Agreed, though you forgot those who also ignore my posts.

Please show me which post I have ignored.

I think I've been the only one so far giving the solid counter-arguments =D

On the contrary your counter-arguments are flawed and try to gloss over my posts with vague and anecdotal responses.
For example: I argued that in Islamic nations, the muslim faith is practised in its uninhibited form. And in such countries, honour killings, rape, murder, pedophilia, and domestic violence are all an accepted part of their society.
To which you replied: "It isn't because the people approve of it, this is just what's happening now as a result of a system currently in place."
So the system forces men to beat and kill their wives? hmm...
Another of your techniques is to claim parts of my argument are "another topic, which we wont get into now".

cause it takes a religious fanatic to argue with a religious fanatic

I am far from a religious fanatic, I am not sure if I would even call myself Christian. You dont have to be religious to be critical of Islam as it has the nature to impede on western society in general.

Regurgitate more rhetoric, please!
P.S. What happened to independant thought?

I'm not regurgitating anything.
Everything I have said in this thread is my own opinion which I have constructed through a non-biased study of Islam in the western world.
How about you try using independent thought to argue my points instead of resorting to naive attacks on my character?
Same for the rest of you ignorant fucks who attack my character and abandon logic in favour of a desire to be seen as politically correct.
It's pathetic.

[Leaf]

So by this logic school and education is also a bad thing because a minority of teachers end up having sex with their students.

Some pretty ignorant arguments, Tagmor pretty much destroys people when it comes to religions so.

Wark, for once, you are right!

Look at what you wrote again

That comparison I made was to look at TagMors rhetoric with the muslim leaders.

So if the muslim leaders say something, Islam abides? Get out of here!

The same as with Christian leaders fucking underage boys, Christianity doesn't encourage it, just as school or education in itself does not encourage teachers having sexual affairs with students.

SAME FOR ISLAM!

[Leaf]

Fuck it, I'm not going to quote anything TagMor, wall of text crits me too bad.

To get it straight you think Islam is violent because of out of context quotes and their leaders straight up condoning violence and rape against infidels?

So because their leaders say something, Islam is wrong?

The pope thing still intruiges me, and since I'm not that well read-up on it, why don't you explain it to me.

The pope is the closest man to God (in catholicism), am I right?

So when he goes "condoms are wrong, you sinful creature!" and actually claiming that condoms make the spreading of HIV and AIDS worse.
""It cannot be overcome by the distribution of condoms. On the contrary, they increase the problem"

Thumbs up for popey! So just because he is fucked up or says fucked up things, catholicism is bad or in denial?

The other things I don't get is why sin constantly is getting less sinful.

I mean if it says in the new or old testament that something is a sin, it's still a sin right? That is more of an actual question than an argument.

[Leaf]

tagmor dominating this argument

Did you miss Galaxy Turbo just completely tear his arguments down?

[PaulOakenfold]

no it's not cops, just a constant weeding of schitzos is necessary.

live
with
it

[Cops]

yeah, these forums really are a waste of time.