Kennedy Health Care Reform Bill.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Maybe not, but my government sponsored doctor, who doesn't have to worry about making more money for his hospital or checking to see if I have insurance will do everything in his power. It's why they get into the profession and why they're bound by oath.

This implies that the government will take a no-holds, cost-is-not-an-issue, easy approach. Are you saying that the bill specifically guarantees no cost limits? And that doctors can use everything in their power? And what about actual, physical, paper work? The doctors may be freed from their economic limitations (keyword: "may be"), but will they merely be trading it for beauracratic limitations? What guarantees in the bill prevent this from being an issue?

Believe what you want, but you have to ask yourself at a certain point, why would the government go to all the trouble and all the expenses of doing this?

Because the current system is going broke and they know it? Why else do you think the democrats keep giving concessions to republicans on the bill? At the end of the day, they just want funds to keep it going for a few more years. And I say "keep it going" because this reform isn't new, that is why it is called reform. Socialized failures inevitably require more socialization.

[kthx]

The doctors are free from making decisions to make the hospital more money maybe but they aren't free from making decisions that promote a certain pharmaceutical company. So that is a stupid argument, pharm companies desperately want this bill to come into play so they can charge America to give drugs to everyone American. Imagine how many depressed people aren't getting anti-depressants, for the love of god, and how many kids are there with ADHD that don't get adderol, no wonder the country is falling a part.

[genocidal]

il take sum aderaal & zozloft plz :grin:

[Ilya]

What does religion have anything to do with health plans, damn. Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

this gave me a headache

[kthx]

Someone should just ban this faggot again.

[Izor]

This implies that the government will take a no-holds, cost-is-not-an-issue, easy approach. Are you saying that the bill specifically guarantees no cost limits? And that doctors can use everything in their power? And what about actual, physical, paper work? The doctors may be freed from their economic limitations (keyword: "may be"), but will they merely be trading it for beauracratic limitations? What guarantees in the bill prevent this from being an issue?

The pipe dream is exactly that. The governemnt is now paying for everything, so the cost isnt an issue because its the government and they have unlimited money!!!

[Jerome Scuggs]

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26672.html


“We have been saying all along that the most important part of this debate is not the public option, but rather ensuring choice and competition,” an aide said. “There are lots of different ways to get there.”

"choice" and "competition" don't sound like things that reduce profit-driven healthcare

[kthx]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/he...n-the-NHS.html

[Izor]

Honestly I think its possible sometimes to make a difference and educate people like Squeezer but he believes pretty much anything that comes from Obamas mouth so he thinks hes going to get the same care as a senator and that money for this grows on trees. Just because your tax dollars now go to paying for people like Kennedy and the janitor that cleans his office (are they even gov't janitor spots? they should all be contracted out you lying SOB), doesnt mean that it could support the whole country getting put on that same program with that same level of care.

[Squeezer]

Honestly I think its possible sometimes to make a difference and educate people like Squeezer but he believes pretty much anything that comes from Obamas mouth so he thinks hes going to get the same care as a senator and that money for this grows on trees. Just because your tax dollars now go to paying for people like Kennedy and the janitor that cleans his office (are they even gov't janitor spots? they should all be contracted out you lying SOB), doesnt mean that it could support the whole country getting put on that same program with that same level of care.

you're right. Lets do nothing and let everyone go bankrupt instead. That's the "educated" thing to do.

“We have been saying all along that the most important part of this debate is not the public option, but rather ensuring choice and competition,” an aide said. “There are lots of different ways to get there.”

"choice" and "competition" don't sound like things that reduce profit-driven healthcare

I read this the other day. That's rather disappointing in my mind. Without the public option the only thing that's going to happen is that all Americans will be forced to select a private health insurance plan. If that happens then people are pushed into a plan they can't afford and the insurance companies continue their practices. I really hope Obama doesn't balk on this. He was elected partly on his promises to reform health care in a meaningful way. Denying foreign drug companies the ability to sell in our country and scrapping the public option does no good for anyone. There is no benefit for anyone, except the insurance companies that are already scamming people, to have millions of Americans be forced to pay out of pocket for ballooning prices. Fuck that noise, public option or reform wont be possible.

[kthx]

Only the stupid people go bankrupt, survival of the fittest.

[Squeezer]

Only the stupid people go bankrupt, survival of the fittest.

Medical Bills Leading Cause of Bankruptcy, Harvard Study Finds

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...tcy_study.html

Yeah, how stupid of those people to get sick. Or is it because they're lazy...I forget.

[kthx]

Surprisingly, most of those bankrupted by illness had health insurance. More than three-quarters were insured at the start of the bankrupting illness. However, 38 percent had lost coverage at least temporarily by the time they filed for bankruptcy.

Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...#ixzz0Q13JIHWy

And so a government run healthcare system is going to make people not go bankrupt? Im pretty sure it wasn't ever said the government healthcare system was going to pay for 100% of all treatments for everything. How dense can you be.

[Squeezer]

And so a government run healthcare system is going to make people not go bankrupt? Im pretty sure it wasn't ever said the government healthcare system was going to pay for 100% of all treatments for everything. How dense can you be.

How dense are you? THEY HAD INSURANCE. You know, that thing you pay for every month to ensure if anything happens, you have a safety net. The part you quoted is indicative of the fact that people with health insurance are bankrupted either by payments to insurance companies that drain them for all they're worth until they can no longer make payments, or the out of pocket costs that the insurance companies refuse to pay for.

Paid tax dollars will cover treatment and prevent people from going bankrupt. Fiscal responsibility isn't enough when an extensive and long lasting medical issue comes to a front. Less people being bankrupted by private insurers means more tax revenue. There have been plenty of responsible people taken to the poor house by their insurance payments and hospital bills. Even though Obama has consistently said that taxes wont be raised on anyone earning less than $250,000 I still wouldn't mind paying my share knowing full well that someday it will come to benefit me. I feel less confident about an insurance company providing care above profits than the government. I'm sure you disagree, but the fact of the matter is that health care is putting people in the poor house and just because it hasn't hit you yet doesn't mean it wont someday.

[kthx]

Ok I don't know how much clearer I can make this.

Cash 4 Clunkers dealers haven't been paid STILL for the rebates they gave.

Car Dealerships are pissed and refuse to do programs like that with the government ever again because they are - money.

Nationalized Healthcare takes affect and hospitals and doctors aren't receiving payment from the government from the insurance.

Doctors and Hospitals refuse to accept that kind of insurance because they aren't getting money for it.

Do you not see where this fails?