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    What is your view in job hopping?


    I am changing job again, this will the 5th job in my five and a half years professional career (doesn’t count my TA job back in the university and part time software development role while I was still an undergrad in the university).

    I am not ashamed that I have changed so many jobs, for that’s how I am consistently getting a 10-15% pay rise, EVERY year for the past 5 and half years. And it is a confirmation for my skills because there must be a company agrees to pay for the amount I am asking and there always seemed to be one so far.

    I know this will not last, for eventually my pay will reach a level and stay there, or maybe less if I become sick/disabled (finger crossed that would never happen) or having kids and become a housewife (yeah right, that is so going to happen hahaha!)

    Money, however was never the main motivation for the hoppings. Unlike some of my friends, I actually know my aim at any particular point in time, and unlike most of the others, it wasn’t for more money. Of course I always ask for a salary increase for it looks silly if I do not do so and it is one most certain thing about any job (despite how glorious you boss tells you your role will be) because let me tell you the truth, your boss tends to glorify the job just like you tend to glorify yourself in job interviews.

    I can be quite dedicated to the company I am in. But your manager might not be very bright or his/her goal might not always align with company’s. Getting a good review does not always depend on how dedicated you are to your company or how capable you are.

    On the upper side, getting a bad review isn’t always a bad thing. I have friends who changed jobs every time they were told ‘you better find another job’ or getting a bad review/no bonus, and ended up with a 20%-30% pay rise for every job changing they did, who are currently on 100k+. I also have friends who stay in one place for five years and pay increased from 50k to 60K+.


    With that said, my current resume does not scream me a hopper. I stayed in the previous job for 2 years and the one before that for almost the same length, but 5 jobs in nearly 6 years doesn’t make me the stablest person in the history either. In fact, every time I go for an interview (if it’s not a pure technical test), I always get asked the question why I am leaving my previous role.


    I wonder whether ‘job security’ has became a obsolete phrase. I fear, because I see so many people, after dedicated so many years of long hours, getting retrenched all of a sudden in the financial crisis.

    Make you wonder whether it is ever worth the dedication.

    I often wonder, if nowadays, the only job security comes from hopping. By change jobs, while always with a well calculated aim, keeps your skills to the bleeding edge while maintaining your marketable values.

    I never believed in dedication in a job. Maybe it would be different if it was a career that I know that would make a positive difference to the whole human kind. But I don’t have such a fancy job, and as to my knowledge, very few people have. I can not the say I was the best employee for hire, but at least I can say I was always very marketable. Even at the edge of the economic recession, the time took me to find a higher paid, seemingly more interesting job was 2-3 weeks. On top of that I am capable, intelligent person who is willing to work hard when circumstance demands it.


    But to tell you the truth, getting a higher paid job which is more interesting is only a temporary thing. Very few jobs stay exciting a few years into the role. And no matter what I do, my job is just some unimportant things I do to earn a living. Every now and then, I need the change to make my life more interesting. Hopping jobs make you meet new people, learn new things and the stress of adjusting makes you temporarily forget how boring your life really is.

    I like technical tests, and I like interviews … and in a way, I like job hopping. It gives me hope, gives me something to look forward to. It gives me happiness.
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  • #2
    Am I the only one who get excessively attached to a company after working there full time for merely 2 years? After all I spend more time with my colleague then my family or friends during those two year …

    I tend to get overly sentimental when leaving a workplace. But I also tend to recover and emotionally detach from a previous work place in less than a month after I stop working there … and I have an excuse for it: I can be loyal to one company and one company only. And that company is the one I am currently working for.
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    • #3
      Well I guess when you are looking at the Career vs. Entry level positions, having a job hopper is a really bad situation.

      As a person being in Management for the last 6 years at entery level jobs, I know that when I do the interviews, the job hopping is a huge red flag, because in the past when I hire these people, they don't even last 1 month, and it turns into a waste of time, energy and labour.

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      • #4
        I did job interview at one of my previous workplace too ...

        Salary wise, I am probably on par with some of my previous managers ... and doing something more interesting.

        At the end of the day, I only care about how interesting is the work I do and how much I am taking home.

        You can be a senior manager and get paid less than some junior roles (although they are likely to have high requirements).

        Plus, being a senior manager does not reduce the chance you will be made redundant once the company goes under water.
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        • #5
          TA'ing is just giving in to The Man.

          repent.

          also: your job hopping shows how money hungry you are. Have you even considered staying where you are and, god forbid, you get promoted? There are pros and cons to every decision to leave or stay. You just chose to leave 4 times out of 4. You show no dedication to anything. What kind of an impact are you making during your 10-14 month stints? Presumably not much, since it's barely a single fucking year.

          On my board I would be the first to throw your app into the 'No' pile. Simply because your infrequent positions, and time and money invested training you would be a detriment to us. There are others I've seen who would disagree, maybe your credentials would be a bigger asset to us than you think, and I would seriously need to be convinced by those credentials. But barring unbelieveably exceptional experience and positive distinctions accrued through previous workplaces, personally, I would hand deliver your application to the cylindrical filling system of no return.
          Last edited by paradise!; 05-02-2010, 02:19 PM.
          4:BigKing> xD
          4:Best> i'm leaving chat
          4:BigKing> what did i do???
          4:Best> told you repeatedly you cannot use that emoji anymore
          4:BigKing> ???? why though
          4:Best> you're 6'4 and black...you can't use emojis like that
          4:BigKing> xD

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          • #6
            Originally posted by T3l Ca7 View Post
            I become sick/disabled (finger crossed that would never happen)
            Aren't you already?
            Maybe God was the first suicide bomber and the Big Bang was his moment of Glory.

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            • #7
              I just wanna feel, real love for the work that I doing
              Cause I got too much life, running thru my veins, going to waste
              I don't wanna leave, but I ain't keen on working here either
              Before I feel the real love, I'm preparing to leave it
              Scare myself to dead, that's why I keep on running
              Before I've arrived, I can see myself coming
              I just wanna feel real passion for job that I doing
              Cos I got too much life, running thru my veins going to waste
              And I need to feel, real love for the time I am spending,
              For a thing that I can not get enough …
              ☕ 🍔 🍅 🍊🍏

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              • #8
                you stupid bitch
                can we please have a moment for silence for those who died from black on black violence

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                • #9
                  And the ‘flip’ side of this perspective? Companies that don’t reward loyalty, but rather simply hire people with the intent of burning them out (i.e asking for overtime, weekend work at home, etc.) within the first year or two?

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                  • #10
                    Well that's only fair - you get paid for your worth. If you demand $100k a year and only intend to stay there for two years, you should at least provide that much value during your stay.

                    Also both IT and finance(especially the front office) treasures youth and energy/creativity that comes with youth. And people do not generally burn out in a year or two - it probably will take 5 -10 years. So if you take the path of high pay, high pressure, try to make a million or two before you turn 40 and you will be fine.
                    ☕ 🍔 🍅 🍊🍏

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                    • #11
                      I created Tone Advance Research & Paradigm Project, or TARPP. once the full truth comes out everyone will be talking about how they were all wrong about everything and programmed

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tone View Post
                        I created Tone Advance Research & Paradigm Project, or TARPP. once the full truth comes out everyone will be talking about how they were all wrong about everything and programmed
                        As opposed to how you were all wrong about aliens revealing themselves before the year of last year? Your creditability is zero and you have no one to blame but yourself.

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                        • #13
                          I think your job hopping is likely a symptom of multiple factors:
                          1) You get too 'bored' with your work too easily
                          2) You probably have some vague sense that your work could be 'better' or more 'interesting' out there, and thus continuously look for that
                          3) You are scared of commitment
                          4) You're likely in the wrong career to begin with and will not likely find any joy in what you do in the end, but either don't realize that or don't want to admit it
                          5) You're probably a bit of a depressive personality who thinks 'what's the point of all this anyway, I don't want to do anything'

                          I think this is a problem with a lot of 'high achieving' people of our generation, as I have some friends who fall into this category. Basically you see yourself as too smart for having some crappy job, but you also don't really have any idea what you are suited for or actually like. This may actually be compounded by the fact that you actually bought all that stuff when you were a kid about 'try your best and you can do anything with your life', and so you've tried hard all your life. Unfortunately you didn't actually have a goal to begin with (or if you did, you've already ruled it out as impractical or leading to a life of poverty that you can't bear).

                          So in the end, you'll continuously switch jobs, never really liking any of your jobs in particular, but achieving enough success so that you can find another job when the current one no longer suits your fancy. Over the long term, this will probably just keep you in a state of never 'advancing' anywhere. Eventually by job hopping so much, you will lose the ability to keep advancing yourself and reach a certain wall where your innate abilities will not be able to take you further unless you make a significant investment into doing said job.

                          So at that point you will have a few choices:
                          1) Start over
                          2) Get really depressed forever
                          3) Get married, have kids (which you likely see as the worst possible outcome because that means you'll be a boring person like your parents and you never wanted to be like that ever)


                          The best solution to this problem really, is to look deep within yourself and see what you really want from life. What do you want to do with your life, and find out how you can achieve that. Unless you have some sort of goal or directly, it is far too easy to drift aimlessly if you are reasonably smart and hard working enough to keep finding employment but you will never be content or happy.
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                          • #14
                            wow epi

                            thanks for describing my life to date in near perfect detail



                            seriously though, that is exactly where i'm at. i do have some, shall we say "complications" to work around with regard to my shall we say "struggle" with bipolar disorder. so i'm not a lazy bum by any means, but i certainly lack direction.
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                            • #15
                              I'm i still one of the only people who things money isn't everything? Sure it's nice and all, but as long as i can feed, cloth and keep a roof over my family's head then i'm a success. I'd rather enjoy what i do and stay at one place where you enjoy your co workers and what you do making less money, than job hopping just for a pay raise.
                              There once was a man from Nantucket.

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