Ukraine

[qan]

what a bunch of uninformed jackasses, discussing a non-existent invasion. You should be embarrassed and cringing right now.

You will probably at this point need to quote where anyone in this thread has said or even implied that Russia has invaded Crimea.

[Crescent Seal]

what a bunch of uninformed jackasses, discussing a non-existent invasion. You should be embarrassed and cringing right now.

T0ne you have a pretty severe case of Schizophrenia. These are the clear symptoms you have:

1. Altered perception of reality.
2. Delusions such as the belief that people live inside the hollow earth and that everything is a conspiracy and is out to destroy you.
3. Paranoia in the form of constant suspiciousness.
4. Refusal to have a "normal" conversation without feeling the need to withdraw from the real world and showcase notions out of confusion and fear. Odd and irrational statements.
5. Feelings of grandeur and that everyone else is "unlearned" or of lesser value than yourself because only you seem to possess a unique insight.
6. Hostility and extreme reaction to criticism.

Not trolling at all. Please seek help.

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Though qan is absolutely right that no one implied Russia invaded Crimea (and I already mentioned that Russia's presence in Crimea is legal according to treaties between Russia and Ukraine), Russia's presence in Ukraine can be considered an invasion. Any time there is a foreign military force on a sovereign land (even with approval of the government of said land), it can be considered an invasion. That's just the dictionary definition of an invasion.

Also,

THE US INVADED ARAB NATIONS KILLING UP TO 2 MILLION ARABS, LOW END IS 1 MILLION.

So because the United States is an imperialist state, it makes it OK for Russia to toy with its neighbors? Mind you, USSR policies were responsible for the death of some 20 million human being -- and Russia (although arguably) continues to hold a worse human rights record than the United States (both domestically and abroad).

[Tone]

Though qan is absolutely right that no one implied Russia invaded Crimea (and I already mentioned that Russia's presence in Crimea is legal according to treaties between Russia and Ukraine), Russia's presence in Ukraine can be considered an invasion. Any time there is a foreign military force on a sovereign land (even with approval of the government of said land), it can be considered an invasion. That's just the dictionary definition of an invasion.

Also,



So because the United States is an imperialist state, it makes it OK for Russia to toy with its neighbors? Mind you, USSR policies were responsible for the death of some 20 million human being -- and Russia (although arguably) continues to hold a worse human rights record than the United States (both domestically and abroad).

What part of "there was no invasion, the Russian troops never crossed over the border" do you not understand?

and the toying was done by the US state department and part of the 5 billion dollars they used to fund thus -- the opposite hired snipers to shoot themselves, you can go listen to the leaked phone recording, its ON RECORD. the toying was another staged coup by the CIA as dennis kucinich said, not russia, russia is just looking out for the russian people there

can you not see how brainwashed you are after reading this reply, its so clownish how programmed you are and how you are 100% incorrect. not an opinion, the truth, on record.

[roxxkatt]

RUSSIA HIRING SNIPERS TO SHOOT THEMSELVES
UKRAINE SECRETLY ALL ALIENS
PRAISE LORD XENU

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y this t0ne's ringtone

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What part of "there was no invasion, the Russian troops never crossed over the border" do you not understand?

and the toying was done by the US state department and part of the 5 billion dollars they used to fund thus -- the opposite hired snipers to shoot themselves, you can go listen to the leaked phone recording, its ON RECORD. the toying was another staged coup by the CIA as dennis kucinich said, not russia, russia is just looking out for the russian people there

can you not see how brainwashed you are after reading this reply, its so clownish how programmed you are and how you are 100% incorrect. not an opinion, the truth, on record.

Conspiracy theorist trolls should not be calling others as "programmed" when they themselves are a hundred times worse.

Now, to the facts:

Russia has at least 30,000 troops in Crimea, a part of Ukraine. Ukraine says this violates previous treaties, by the way. Regardless of these treaties, Russia's military is foreign, occupying a sovereign land. Hence, it's an invasion.

As I said before, USA's imperialist stands do not make Russia's toying with neighbors and other violations OK. This just shows a double standard on your part. I'm pretty sure while the color revolutions were going on, the United States was supporting them. This does not, in the slightest, take away any significance from these revolutions no matter how hypocritical the US stand is.

Russia's actions are bad, too. Why not criticize her?

Poisoning political leaders:



Punishing neighbors for trade relationships with other countries through economic sanctions:

Paving a Rough Road to Vilnius: Russia’s Preventive Punishment of Its “Near Abroad” :

Economic Disintegration. Russia’s economic pressure on Moldova and Ukraine followed two patterns. First, Russian restrictions have been limited to specific sectors of the target countries’ economies rather than overarching application to all exporters. For example, obstacles created for Ukrainian exports of processed food products, steel, and rail cars are unlikely to cause severe disruptions in the Russian market, given the ample availability of substitutes from alternative suppliers. In Moldova’s case, the Russian restrictions focused on two major exports, the first, fruit and vegetables, which account for about 10% of Moldova’s total exports, and the second, alcoholic drinks (another 10% of exports), both of which could be imported from elsewhere. Second, Russia has relied on the stark asymmetry that characterizes bilateral trade with its neighbouring countries. Russia gains proportionately smaller revenues from exporting finished goods to the “Near Abroad” than these countries gain from their Russia-bound exports. This asymmetry effectively allows Russia to forego some foreign-currency losses if any of its neighbours decided to impose retaliatory measures against Russian exporters.

Punishing neighbors through security threats:

(In)security Risks. Russia succeeded in bringing Armenia into the Customs Union fold for two major reasons. First, Russia could reiterate security commitments to Armenia’s President Serzh Sargsyan, who fought in the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict and later served as Armenia’s Defence Minister. In the first half of 2013, Russia sold $4 billion worth of arms to Azerbaijan. These sales triggered major concerns in Armenia, whose military expenditures in 2012 barely exceeded $400 million. Russia thus was able to pledge to stop its arms trade with Azerbaijan as a potent negotiating tool with Yerevan.

Diplomatic row with Belarus:

In 2009, a serious diplomatic row erupted between the two countries. President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko accused Russia of offering a $500 million loan on the condition that Belarus recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia, but added that the position of Belarus was not for sale. Lukashenko has declared that Belarusian citizens must abide by Georgian laws when traveling to the two regions, and the Foreign Ministry has stated that all Belarusian citizens must use points of entry on the Georgian side. Lukashenko declared that instead of Russia, Belarus should "look for happiness in other parts of the planet". Commenting on the close military cooperation between the two countries, Lukashenko likened Belarus' 10 million people as a human shield for Russia against the West, a service that he said "was not free".[7] In July 2009, the so-called Milk War erupted, when Russia banned all dairy imports from Belarus, saying that they did not comply with new regulations. Belarus accused Russia of employing the ban for political reasons, while Russia denied that the ban was political. Russia soon lifted the ban and Belarus resumed deliveries of dairy products to Russia. However, a new dispute arose when Russia claimed that Belarus owed $231 million for gas supplies it had used since the start of the year. Belarus threatened to introduce Border and Customs control on its border with Russia, and refused to attend Collective Security Treaty Organization talks in Moscow. In an interview, President Lukashenko questioned the necessity of diplomatic relations with Russia, since Russia is "blockading" Belarus.

On May 31, 2012 Russian President Vladimir Putin was critical about the European Union's sanctions on Belarus, and in a joint statement Putin and Lukashenko said:-

"Russia and Belarus will coordinate efforts to counter attempts to interfere in the internal affairs of the Union State and apply pressure through the introduction of restrictive measures or sanctions."

Gas policies

We could also mention the gas policies, and how it cut off gas to Ukraine (and hence to parts of Eastern EU) because of certain disputes.

While many will view the issue as the Eastern EU being very dependent on Russian gas, we should not forget that Russia is heavily dependent on trade with the EU, as the EU accounts for over 50% of its total trade.

Relationships with the EU

The EU is Russia's largest trading partner by far with the EU accounting for 52.3% of all foreign Russian trade in 2008 and 75% of foreign direct investment (FDI) stocks in Russia also come from the EU. The EU exported €105 billion of goods to Russia in 2008 and Russia exported €173,2 billion to the EU. 68.2% of Russian exports to the EU are accounted for by energy and fuel supplies.

When the European Union unveiled its European Neighbourhood Policy (ENP), Russia chose not to join and aspires to be an "equal partner" of the EU (as opposed to the "junior partnership" that Russia sees in the ENP). Consequently, Russia and the European Union agreed to create four Common Spaces for cooperation in different spheres:
Common Economic Space: the objective of the common economic space is to create an open and integrated market between the EU and Russia. This space is intended to remove barriers to trade and investment and promote reforms and competitiveness, based on the principles of non-discrimination, transparency, and good governance.
Common Space of Freedom, Security and Justice: Work on this space has already made a large step forward with the conclusion of negotiations on the Visa Facilitation and the Readmission Agreements. Both the EU and Russia are in the process of ratifying these agreements. Cooperation on combating terrorism and other forms of international illegal activities such as money laundering, the fight against drugs and trafficking in human beings will continue as well as on document security through the introduction of biometric features in a range of identity documents. With a view to contributing to the concrete implementation of the road map, the Justice and Home Affairs PPC met on 13 October 2005 and agreed to organise clusters of conferences and seminars, bringing together experts and practitioners on counter-terrorism, cyber-crime, document security and judicial cooperation. There was also agreement about developing greater cooperation between the European Border Agency (FRONTEX) and the Federal Border Security Service of Russia.
Common Space on External Security: The road map underlines the shared responsibility of the parties for an international order based on effective multilateralism, their support for the central role of the UN, and for the effectiveness in particular of the OSCE and the Council of Europe.
Common Space on Research, Education, Culture: This space builds on the long-standing relations with Russia through its participation in EU Research and Development activities and the 6th FPRD in particular, and under the TEMPUS programme. It aims at capitalising on the strength of the EU and Russian research communities and cultural and intellectual heritage by reinforcing links between research and innovation and closer cooperation on education such as through convergence of university curricula and qualifications. It also lays a firm basis for cooperation in the cultural field. A European Studies Institute co-financed by both sides will be set up in Moscow for the start of the academic year 2006/7.

[Tone]

You are Soooooooooooooooo Dumb & retarded -- its been exposed that the Kiev snipers were staged by the opposition its self, to shoot its self, as a problem-reaction-solution false flag to stimulant the coup



Leaked EU’s Ashton Phone Tape: Kiev Snipers Were Hired by US Supported Opposition Leaders

http://www.globalresearch.ca/leaked-...eaders/5371956

[Tone]

You stupid idiot

the 30,000 are there TO BEGIN WITH like america has troops stationed in south korea & germany

they are there, TO BEGIN WITH and they are allowed to have up to 50,000, thats the agreement with Ukraine

Suppose something happened in south korea

then supposed 30,000 US troops ALREADY THERE went on high alert to defend

now suppose the media falsely reported that the US Invaded with 30,000 troops


now see how dumb you are?

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There were roughly 13,000 Russian troops in Crimea. There's more than 30,000 troops now. Even if they were already there, foreign troops on sovereign land = an invasion. Dictionary definition.. but you're a programmed paranoid schizophrenic so I understand where all this frustration is coming from.

Already there? I think not.

It's quite clear who the dumb one is here.

I rest my case.

[Izor]

So we're invading S. Korea, Germany, Italy, Turkey, Japan, etc? While it is an invasion, renting bases is something every nation with a military does. The violations that have happened here are when they sent as many soldiers as possible and then had them start to seize other strategic points in Crimea, then force the local govt to defect to Russia

[Tone]

Everything was staged

The US state dept and intelligence staged the coup in ukraine. They also lied about Georgia in 2008, Georgia started that short war.

you need to understand that the state dept sent in truckloads of cash to fund this coup and some of them were even neo nazi groups. Do you realize the opposition hired snipers to shoot its self as a pretext to fire up the coup ?

[Tone]

There is footage of the state dept trucks at the airport unloading the cash in Ukraine and witnesses to it. The US state dept spent millions on staging this coup. And the US intervention was truly false, there were no Weapons of mass destruction all that stuff was lies that lead to a million dead iraqi's. Anderson Cooper ke3eps having on fake scripted guests, he did the same thing with Libya having a fake caller with a fake accent ask for a no fly zone.

the state dept was also behind that video of the pretty Ukranian girl, that wasnt an organic video

stop being naive, this is all staged, and Crimea was a part of Russia until they gave it to the Ukraine in 1954. You dont have enough knowledge on this topic to post about it, Your posts are the mainstream disinfo. You dont understand the bigger Geopolitical picture of Nato encircling Russia, everything is leading up to a nuclear war they want to stimulate Russia into so they can roll out the New World Order when the dust clears. they are going to have China be with Russia at first then switch sides, and have Russia take the ultimate fall for the New World Order. This isnt any kind of theory its their actual plans.

Watch the Video I posted, RT is not the source, this information is sourced from different sources and this clip happens to be an RT clip, RT didint fabricate the info in this clip. Watch & Learn. Also Youtube isnt the source either, its a video hosting site, people keep claiming Youtube is a bad source when its not the source at all, but a video hosting site. They make disinfo replies like that using logical fallacies.

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You understand im not making this up, and its THEIR plans, not me making it up or someone else making it up?

Play this compilation of quotes from dozens world leaders, speaking about the New World Order they are going to stage:

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it is time

it is time to uplift into dimension n=11 and join our allien brethren on a new plane of existence.