Whats up faggots.

[Jerome Scuggs]

ah yes the s3x numbers and the w33d number

my good man

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420 and 69 are 2 of my favourite numbers.

[Jerome Scuggs]

Jerome, how does it feel knowing that Jessup agrees with everything you think and thinks you are right while writing shit like SHAME!!!! and sounding like he copy pasted his post from a beverly hills antifa tweet.

[kthx]

No, going to protests is for faggots. I just make smartass comments online

[field]

I bet he goes to protests with signs.

What do you go to protests with? Tiki torches?

[kthx]

I bet he goes to protests with signs.

[kthx]

Jerome, how does it feel knowing that Jessup agrees with everything you think and thinks you are right while writing shit like SHAME!!!! and sounding like he copy pasted his post from a beverly hills antifa tweet.

[Jerome Scuggs]

rip fat s dominoes

[Jessup]

Bravo Jerome!! +100 of your post. You said it well.

I hate to say it but the real death panels in the current American healthcare system are the insurance companies. If you can't pay them or have no insurance then someone decides to let you die and will expend very little if any effort into your care.

Now Trump is doing his scam revamp and purposely defunding the little government help that covered some of the most vunerable people .. those with preexisting conditions and the poor, the system is going to slide backwards again and many more will needlessly die over treatable illnesses. Remember 45,000 people a year are right now dying because the american system has betrayed them. Trump will have 10's of thousands of more deaths on his hands.. SHAME!!!!

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if i had to guess, i think eph meant to open his post with 'Have you ever even had any experience outside the US health care system?' instead of saying in it. it seems like the rest of the post would make a lot more sense. thats up to eph to actually confirm/deny that though. i thought eph was canadian

u r scum

[Zeebu]

if i had to guess, i think eph meant to open his post with 'Have you ever even had any experience outside the US health care system?' instead of saying in it. it seems like the rest of the post would make a lot more sense. thats up to eph to actually confirm/deny that though. i thought eph was canadian

[Jerome Scuggs]

[QUOTE=Ephemeral;908443]Field,
You are wrong in every part of your post. Have you ever even had any experience in the US health care system? Socialized health care systems are the abomination in the western world.

How do I know this? Because I fucking live it every day. When some of you actually have to use and rely upon health care then perhaps you will understand instead of regurgitating a bunch of Wikitalk and mainstream media bullshit. Use you online intelligence to Google ‘CAT scan wait times’ or ‘MRI wait times’. You realize that in the US vets are dying everyday while they wait to services? Here are a few examples of socialized healthcare...[quote]

it just occurred to me that you think socialist healthcare is bad because you think the US system is socialist.

look at history. do you think the healthcare market started out socialist? or do you think healthcare started as a free market? ive done the research so here's a spoiler: it started out as a free market

just.... read into the state of "free market" healthcare before Abraham Flexner came along and tell me this is what you want for yourself

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...nt-statistics/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...smokers-obese/

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...r-damaging-nhs

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ure-on-the-nhs

it's disingenuous as hell to post links to figures suggesting the NHS sucks without posting links showing that it sucks because conservatives keep gutting it instead of looking at real potential solutions

NHS controls and dictates the medical lives of those in Britain; they decide who lives and dies. So the idea is let Washington do this in USA? Christ, how fucking stupid does a person have to be to think that allowing politicians control a medical system is a good idea? I am open to any good ideas to reduce health care costs but putting Washington and politicians in charge of our lives if the single worse idea that is possible.

Nationalization != single payer. Even among "socialist" healthcare systems Britain is unique in having their fully controlled, from the top to the bottom.

Most countries basically have a nationwide insurance company. Everyone chips in, everyone gets healthcare. Sorry, but insurance adjusters themselves will tell you insurance works best when the pool covers the largest amount of people, and thats exactly what single-payer is

I do not understand how leftists can argue that “big corporations are bad” but then talk out of the other side of their mouths by arguing that “Washington is good”. Washington is the biggest, worse run corporation in the world. If you want to be a good leftist and have ‘the people’ as the highest priority, then argue for smaller, more local and diverse control.

it's a badly run corporation because some idiots decided the government "needed to be run like a corporation"

the reason i trust government more than corporations simply comes down to responsibility. people can change government, people can vote politicians in and out of government, people can write their congressmen and have a far higher chance of seeing accountability than with a corporation. I don't like Exxon but unfortunately I don't have the right to vote for its CEO.

that being said when it comes to trust, i dont much trust the government. short of open revolution though, political action is the only real solution for the average person when it comes to changing society.

Read I what I previously posted, I have been experiencing both type systems over the last 4-5 years. In socialized systems competition is eliminated and this has huge impact to the level of care. In a socialized system, the amount that is paid of a medical service is predetermined and capped. So sure this holds down the cost but at what expense? Simple, at the expense of the quality of care.

im genuinely interested in how you think hospitals "compete", ive literally never known anyone to demand a new hospital because they werent satisfied with their current one

the weird thing about this is that doctors rarely, if ever actually set their own prices, so it's weird that price controls would affect them in any way. the government doesn't cap doctors' salaries?

Say you own a health care facility or service. The government tells you that they will pay you maximum of $1000 for a particular service or procedure. Now what happens when the actual cost of the service or procedure varies from patient to patient? You cut back things like number of nurses or figure out how move the patient quicker through the service or procedure. Do you really think that this leads to better quality health care? Say you want to open a new health care facility or service, do you really think that anyone will do this when they know that the government dictates their business? No, health care health care facilities or services close, leave, or never open to begin with. Same for good doctors and other health care workers.

ok what is it about healthcare that demands a private solution? government runs the military and the world didnt end. government runs the fire department and the world hasnt ended. government oversees the car insurance industry and the world hasnt ended. we still have firemen, soldiers, car insurers, we still have corporations making weapons and teaching firefighters and hiring insurance adjusters

I hope anyone who argues for socialized healthcare gets to experience this shit; try slowly dying while waiting for services or be caught up in a health care system whose only priority is holding costs down.
Eph

see martinshkreli.jpg above

[Jerome Scuggs]

i just get confused because we're the only first world country with a private healthcare system and, oddly enough, it sucks

[Jerome Scuggs]

I hope anyone who argues for socialized healthcare gets to experience this shit; try slowly dying while waiting for services or be caught up in a health care system whose only priority is holding costs down.
Eph

[Jessup]

CRAPITALISM