Earn some bucks and help TW at same time!

[CR0SSFIRE]

Just netbad the m***er f***er...

...and while you're at it, net ban pwnage bomb too.

Harsh but fair I say, harsh but fair.

[DaiShiva]

long text = easy to ignore

at least there was so much text there that it made scrolling through it really easy

[office]

god.. i know bush is right ..really right

SPIN doesnt know anything!!
DAMM LIBERAL AND TRUE CONSERVATIVES... HELL THEY ARE EVEN IN THE BBC.. WHERE IS RUSH OR SAVAGE WHEN U REALLY NEED THEM!!!!!







20 Lies About The War
By Glen Rangwala and Raymond Whitaker
The Independent - UK
7-12-3


1. Iraq was responsible for the 11 September attacks

A supposed meeting in Prague between Mohammed Atta, leader of the 11 September hijackers, and an Iraqi intelligence official was the main basis for this claim, but Czech intelligence later conceded that the Iraqi's contact could not have been Atta. This did not stop the constant stream of assertions that Iraq was involved in 9/11, which was so successful that at one stage opinion polls showed that two-thirds of Americans believed the hand of Saddam Hussein was behind the attacks. Almost as many believed Iraqi hijackers were aboard the crashed airliners; in fact there were none.

2. Iraq and al-Qa'ida were working together

Persistent claims by US and British leaders that Saddam and Osama bin Laden were in league with each other were contradicted by a leaked British Defence Intelligence Staff report, which said there were no current links between them. Mr Bin Laden's "aims are in ideological conflict with present-day Iraq", it added.

Another strand to the claims was that al-Qa'ida members were being sheltered in Iraq, and had set up a poisons training camp. When US troops reached the camp, they found no chemical or biological traces.

3. Iraq was seeking uranium from Africa for a "reconstituted" nuclear weapons programme

The head of the CIA has now admitted that documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to import uranium from Niger in west Africa were forged, and that the claim should never have been in President Bush's State of the Union address. Britain sticks by the claim, insisting it has "separate intelligence". The Foreign Office conceded last week that this information is now "under review".

4. Iraq was trying to import aluminium tubes to develop nuclear weapons

The US persistently alleged that Baghdad tried to buy high-strength aluminum tubes whose only use could be in gas centrifuges, needed to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons. Equally persistently, the International Atomic Energy Agency said the tubes were being used for artillery rockets. The head of the IAEA, Mohamed El Baradei, told the UN Security Council in January that the tubes were not even suitable for centrifuges.

5. Iraq still had vast stocks of chemical and biological weapons from the first Gulf War

Iraq possessed enough dangerous substances to kill the whole world, it was alleged more than once. It had pilotless aircraft which could be smuggled into the US and used to spray chemical and biological toxins. Experts pointed out that apart from mustard gas, Iraq never had the technology to produce materials with a shelf-life of 12 years, the time between the two wars. All such agents would have deteriorated to the point of uselessness years ago.

6. Iraq retained up to 20 missiles which could carry chemical or biological warheads, with a range which would threaten British forces in Cyprus

Apart from the fact that there has been no sign of these missiles since the invasion, Britain downplayed the risk of there being any such weapons in Iraq once the fighting began. It was also revealed that chemical protection equipment was removed from British bases in Cyprus last year, indicating that the Government did not take its own claims seriously.

7. Saddam Hussein had the wherewithal to develop smallpox

This allegation was made by the Secretary of State, Colin Powell, in his address to the UN Security Council in February. The following month the UN said there was nothing to support it.

8. US and British claims were supported by the inspectors

According to Jack Straw, chief UN weapons inspector Hans Blix "pointed out" that Iraq had 10,000 litres of anthrax. Tony Blair said Iraq's chemical, biological and "indeed the nuclear weapons programme" had been well documented by the UN. Mr Blix's reply? "This is not the same as saying there are weapons of mass destruction," he said last September. "If I had solid evidence that Iraq retained weapons of mass destruction or were constructing such weapons, I would take it to the Security Council." In May this year he added: "I am obviously very interested in the question of whether or not there were weapons of mass destruction, and I am beginning to suspect there possibly were not."

9. Previous weapons inspections had failed

Tony Blair told this newspaper in March that the UN had "tried unsuccessfully for 12 years to get Saddam to disarm peacefully". But in 1999 a Security Council panel concluded: "Although important elements still have to be resolved, the bulk of Iraq's proscribed weapons programmes has been eliminated." Mr Blair also claimed UN inspectors "found no trace at all of Saddam's offensive biological weapons programme" until his son-in-law defected. In fact the UN got the regime to admit to its biological weapons programme more than a month before the defection.

10. Iraq was obstructing the inspectors

Britain's February "dodgy dossier" claimed inspectors' escorts were "trained to start long arguments" with other Iraqi officials while evidence was being hidden, and inspectors' journeys were monitored and notified ahead to remove surprise. Dr Blix said in February that the UN had conducted more than 400 inspections, all without notice, covering more than 300 sites. "We note that access to sites has so far been without problems

11. Iraq could deploy its weapons of mass destruction in 45 minutes

This now-notorious claim was based on a single source, said to be a serving Iraqi military officer. This individual has not been produced since the war, but in any case Tony Blair contradicted the claim in April.


12. The "dodgy dossier"

Last month Alastair Campbell took responsibility for the plagiarism committed by his staff, but stood by the dossier's accuracy, even though it confused two Iraqi intelligence organisations, and said one moved to new headquarters in 1990, two years before it was created.

13. War would be easy


14. Umm Qasr

The fall of Iraq's southernmost city and only port was announced several times before Anglo-American forces gained full control - by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, among others, and by Admiral Michael Boyce, chief of Britain's defence staff.


15. Basra rebellion

Claims that the Shia Muslim population of Basra, Iraq's second city, had risen against their oppressors were repeated for days, long after it became clear to those there that this was little more than wishful thinking. The defeat of a supposed breakout by Iraqi armour was also announced by military spokesman in no position to know the truth.

16. The "rescue" of Private Jessica Lynch

Private Jessica Lynch's "rescue" from a hospital in Nasiriya by American special forces was presented as the major "feel-good" story of the war. She was said to have fired back at Iraqi troops until her ammunition ran out, and was taken to hospital suffering bullet and stab wounds. It has since emerged that all her injuries were sustained in a vehicle crash, which left her incapable of firing any shot.

17. Troops would face chemical and biological weapons

As US forces approached Baghdad, there was a rash of reports that they would cross a "red line", within which Republican Guard units were authorised to use chemical weapons. But Lieutenant General James Conway, the leading US marine general in Iraq, conceded afterwards that intelligence reports that chemical weapons had been deployed around Baghdad before the war were wrong.


18. Interrogation of scientists would yield the location of WMD

"I have got absolutely no doubt that those weapons are there ... once we have the co-operation of the scientists and the experts, I have got no doubt that we will find them," Tony Blair said in April. Numerous similar assurances were issued by other leading figures, who said interrogations would provide the WMD discoveries that searches had failed to supply. But almost all Iraq's leading scientists are in custody, and claims that lingering fears of Saddam Hussein are stilling their tongues are beginning to wear thin.

19. Iraq's oil money would go to Iraqis

Tony Blair complained in Parliament that "people falsely claim that we want to seize" Iraq's oil revenues, adding that they should be put in a trust fund for the Iraqi people administered through the UN. Britain should seek a Security Council resolution that would affirm "the use of all oil revenues for the benefit of the Iraqi people".

Instead Britain co-sponsored a Security Council resolution that gave the US and UK control over Iraq's oil revenues. There is no UN-administered trust fund.

Far from "all oil revenues" being used for the Iraqi people, the resolution continues to make deductions from Iraq's oil earnings to pay in compensation for the invasion of Kuwait in 1990.

20. WMD were found

After repeated false sightings, both Tony Blair and George Bush proclaimed on 30 May that two trailers found in Iraq were mobile biological laboratories. "We have already found two trailers, both of which we believe were used for the production of biological weapons," said Mr Blair. Mr Bush went further: "Those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons - they're wrong. We found them." It is now almost certain that the vehicles were for the production of hydrogen for weather balloons, just as the Iraqis claimed - and that they were exported by Britain.

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/po...sp?story=424008

[office]

lets keep the king in 2004

bush supports our troops!
there is nooooo way he would send us to get oil!!!
saddam was bad!!
just because we put him in power... armed him.. doesnt mean we cant change our minds.

bin ladin is bad.. just because we gave him millions of dollars to fight the soviets... doesnt mean we cant cange our minds!!!

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[IceStorm]

Wow that is the most pathetic fucking thing i have ever seen.. Office Bush is the president you should fallow his opinion threw.. You have no idea. Maybe if you have fought in the army and did some big shit but no.. You are prolly 11 yrs old and think you know everything. I got a head ecke just thinking about how fucking annoying you would be in real life.. Stop with this bullshit. go to cnn and send in some emails of shit don't annoy us with this fucken bull...

[Troll King]

Please, don't encourage him.

[Kolar]

Originally posted by Ice Storm03
Wow that is the most pathetic fucking thing i have ever seen.. Office Bush is the president you should fallow his opinion threw.. You have no idea. Maybe if you have fought in the army and did some big shit but no.. You are prolly 11 yrs old and think you know everything. I got a head ecke just thinking about how fucking annoying you would be in real life.. Stop with this bullshit. go to cnn and send in some emails of shit don't annoy us with this fucken bull...

He fucking out did you Ice. Spin its good to see you mastered the art of cut and paste. If anyone wanted the information they can go find it, it doesn't take a moron to spam a game and now a forum with crap to get people to like what you like or think the way you think. Its called freedom , we are allowed to think and express what we want without punishment. Just as TW staff has the freedom and the obligation as the administration of SSCU Trench Wars to regulate freedom of speach that boarders on hatred and down right annoyances like you, which includes removing you.

I have no problem with you saying what you want to say, but the way your going about it is wrong. Throwing information in people's faces is not a good way of making them believe what you beleve to be the truth. You say that the United States is run by a fucking moron, well i am sure a lot of people would agree with you. From the way I see it your bashing a Admin that has taken out dangerous people in the world, an admin that supports freedoms and values that most civilized people believe in. (And don't say Bush as a leader is more dangrous then a Hamas or other rouge middle eastern coutry leader. I'm sure you have your macros ready.)

You are abusing your rights and freedoms and bothering a community as a whole. I am glad that you finally did goto a forum, even if it is the TW forum , so people can see you for who you really are. Theres no more hopping arenas this time.

[office]

"bring 'em on"-- gw bush challenges the 'non existant' Iraqi guerrillas

well give bush a break... hes much better at dodging the vietnam war......hell he even skipped out of his national guard duty... u know... his mission to guard Houston from the viet-cong.

"BRING 'EM ON!?!" ChickenHawk Coward puts Our Sons and Daughters--not YOURS--in Danger

To:
President George Bush

July 2, 2003

Bush,

Put on your helmet, you crazy petty despot--the one with the number 43 on the front.

Strap on your Cap'n Bunnypants outfit that you wore for your phony landing on the Abe Lincoln. It was all fun, huh!?!

Mission Accomplished!?!

And now we are not so sure. Now we know you are a liar, and a war criminal, and a crook.

That is one thing, but endangering our sons and daughters with your ignorant macho ramblings as reported below by Reuters is way, way over the line.

You certainly are proving to all concerned that 'gravitas' is not in the Rove playbook. You remain the "Meteor that struck America" in year 2000.

America needs to end your horrible junta. America needs you to resign, or be impeached. In the worst case, you will be tossed out in 18 months.

Even that is too long for your anti-environmental, destructive and murderous imperial presidency to end.

"Bring Them On,' Bush Says to Iraq Attacks"





click on link below to "Draft General Wesly Clark for prez in 2004"
http://www.draftwesleyclark.com/

[Kolar]

I would just ban him on the fact that hes leaching bandwith and wasting people's time.

[Evoce]

fucker, y should i be interested in trying to stop somebody to talk about his political opinions?

[Evoce]

o and office, stop praying to allah, dickhead!

[CrvenBan]

Originally posted by office
bring 'em on

I got interested for a moment, when I thought it read: bring 'um young...

[Tigerex]

Offer $500 and i'll get him banned.

[office]

Gawd... ban spin!!!!!

Our leader today.....



Is abusing our military so dumb ass republicans can continue to think....



Now, the choice America will have to make in 2004 is...


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The only chances that America has left are...

General Wesley Clark
Howard Dean
John Kerry
Dennis Kucinich
(or a bush impeachment)