Are We Doomed?

[Fluffz]

Originally posted by poop juice
You know why the Nazis brutally slaughtered so many people? They thought God was on thier side.

please kill your history teacher

[Adman]

READ THIS THREAD PLEASE.

whoever is bashing us ignorant people.

[HeavenSent]

READ THIS THREAD PLEASE.

whoever is bashing us ignorant people.

Written like dictation from satan himself.
Misery loves company.

[HeavenSent]

Originally posted by poop juice
don't give me that crap that i am evil and will go to hell

Interesting, of the two choices for disbelief, you chose the persecuted evil side rather than the misinformed ignorant side.
If you've read my previous posts, i've never mentioned hell.

[WiseCherub]

What No God?... just a 3D Box Universe... dont think so....

No one can say there is no god... when science*physics) doesn't have all the answers of the universe.

Interesting story about Laplace, Fit.. God I love those laplace transforms... comes useful in control systems theory..heh...

We just have to have patience, only time will tell us....

Also... can anyone comprehend INFINITY? ZENOs endless race track.. or the serpent biting it's tail....

The wonderful shape.. thee "Circle".....

Does Time really exist or is it just a dimension man created to reference events?

Year after year goes by..... nature goes thru the seasons... the natural cycle of life goes on and on... life...death....

Will the universe die? Or will it just recycle itself? If it dies, then why create the universe?? Why does it exist in the first place?

Philosophical I found absolutes in observing the Universe...

Many Trinities exist.... think about it...

how many colors do you need to make the pixels you look at on your monitor??? 3!!!! red green blue

How many atoms in a water molecule?? 3... 2 hydrogen and 1 oxygen...

What about mighty THIRD FORCE? Man/Woman have sex.. out comes a baby.... heh..

How many dimensions in space? 3... x y z axes...

we could go on and on...

Another thing....

two major patterns in the universe....

ORDER - universal physical laws
CHAOS - chaotic patterns and randomness

any extreme of either would result in a dead universe... therefore a balance of the two must be maintained.


Oh well, I enjoy talking about stuff like this.... but most people find it way toooo deep... glad I found others to chat with this about....

But be careful when thinking about this stuff.... if you think about it too deep... you can go insane.... lose your mind...

Sometimes its fun to step out the big picture and observe.... but remember you are in the picture too... the picture being thee universe..heh... later all

[RiP]

Originally posted by WiseCherub
What No God?... just a 3D Box Universe... dont think so....

No one can say there is no god... when science*physics) doesn't have all the answers of the universe.

A god doesnt answer all questions either it just makes more questions.. How was the universe created? By god? how was god created? And so on.. There might be something like a god but thats kinda far fetched nothing rly speaks for that there is..

Science might have all the answers we just havent found em yet or maybe the human mind cant understand everything..

[Black Alpha]

I find the trick to comprehending this stuff is to not care.

[Dabram]

if the universe isn't an everlasting circle (big bang) but something with an actual beginning than there has to be a "god", but not the kind of god that is a spiritual super-human, that has created the human race and now takes care of us useless humans from earth, who are in no way more important than any other creature from this planet or other planet..

but "god" would in that case be the only thing that actual had no cause but was already there and was the beginning of the chain of reactions that the whole universe is.

when talking about god, i don't say it can't be real, because of things i/we have no proof whether they can be/are real i won't make any conclusions. but in no way would i believe in something i can't proof to be real, because i know my mind can make anything real i'd believe in.

the problem with spiritual things/happenings is that i know that our unconcious mind is more powerful than we probably think it is, i think it can create and make things real if i really want it to be true. your 'holy spirit' is probably created from within.

but then again i hardly ever read about all these things (tho im very interested in stuff likes this, im also very lazy) and know too little facts about the universe, spiritual stuff, our concious and unconcious mind, etc etc.

[WiseCherub]

In most religions, they say GOD is everywhere... Yes I believe this right down to the atomic level.

In Christianity we say, there is a universe and GOD Is separate from the Universe.

Budhist (maybe hindus) say.... all there is, is the universe and God is the universe.

Being a Christian, I believe this...

God's Intelligence is at thee highest dimension in the universe
and part of God's being is thee Universe?

How can GOD be everywhere? GOD is the universe.. everything in it...

We are like the little red blood cells in God's body, I guess.

If the Universe is eternal, then so is god....

If time is not linear, then it must be circular (without end)....

Linear.. like a line... start--------->* end
Circular no start no end.... infinite

We could create a start/end cycle reference point... but there would be cycles... much like the season cycles each year..
winter spring summer fall... on and on...

So does the Universe expand/contact.. on and on..

Or does it just keep expanding, untill there is so much space, the energy in the universe is diluted..spread afar??

What about the Laws of Conservation?

Energy or Matter can neither be created or destroyed.

If this is true, then the UNIVERSE will never be destroyed, correct?

It is how the universe is put into a form?

But with the perfect balance of Chaos and Order in the Universe, all the matter/energy will keep it alive in the form we much desire.

To be Extreme order would result in a high matter-energy singularity point... very boring...

To be Extreme Chaos would result in low matter-energy desenity universe... were everything is spread over infinite space?
therefore a very desolate universe and little chance of life.

Does the universe have infinite energy and space? and energy/matter cannot be destroyed... How could the universe end, by definition we have INFINITE.. therefore NO END!!!

Are we doomed? No!!!

And who cares, will we be here for the next trillion years? Or perhaps be in some other form?

All this talk is highly religious and scientific..... no one really knows the truth.. we can only speculate with the knowledge we have. From my point of view, I think the Universe will never end.

I know I use to ask this question.... who created GOD? and who created the GOD Creator..and so on.... you create a infinite creation paradox.

How about this simple explaination? If GOD the Creator lives outside the universe.... AND TIME DOES NOT Exist... then GOD has always been... no start no end....

Our minds think in concepts of time, but what if time doesn't really exist? Time a man made reference model to log events.
Primitive Cultures, like the Innuit (Eskimos) I believe never used or had no concept of time.

[adastalin]

I take a purely scientific view on things as well.
While I acknowledge that modern day science does not have answers to a great number of things, what it does do is have evidence for everything it believes. Religion anywhere is totally evidenceless, it is to me just an antiquated idea made by man to explain things he could not understand at the time. Well as science progresses, more people have turned their backs on religion. Coincidence? of course not.
Blind faith is really illogical. God is all powerful, so why is he too afraid to show himself to doubters like myself? If he is all knowing then send me straight to heavan or hell and forget about the life bit. The life is too insignificantly short in comparison to eternity, so what purpose can it serve given that God knows the answers anyway? Do embryos that die during pregnancy go anywhere? how can they, they havent done anything. A lot of innocent blameless people die as a result of war. Does God raise a finger to help them? Nope, hes too busy hiding. Where was he on september 11? God bless America but he wont help you. So God wont prove his existance, wont help people when they need it, bet he doesnt answer prayers either. So what does he do? If he wont do the above, then why do i need him? Its no loss to me.
If the Bible is proof of God, then why does it contradict itself? and why doesnt god do those things anymore?
Fact of the matter is God doesnt exist. And if he did, he doesnt give a damn about you because he will not help you. You believers will die in all the same way atheists will.

Wow...longest post ive ever done...and i didnt answer the question

PS- i better be right, cos im definately going to hell now if im wrong

[HeavenSent]

I take a purely scientific view on things as well.

Science only carries evidence for things in this physical world. How could a system base on physics be used to prove something which is non-physical? There's four kingdoms; mineral, vegetable, animal & spirit. Physics is useless for the spiritual kingdom and can only apply to the first 3 kingdoms.

While I acknowledge that modern day science does not have answers to a great number of things, what it does do is have evidence for everything it believes. Religion anywhere is totally evidenceless, it is to me just an antiquated idea made by man to explain things he could not understand at the time.

Science, at least in the educational institutions, likes to stretch the truth a bit.... even after evidence proves other wise. Two examples: 1.) While some believe that Christopher Columbus was the first European to the Western hemisphere, still others believe that Leif Erickson came almost 500 years before Christopher. Berry Fell, a retired Harvard professor has extensive archaeological evidence to support the idea that even beyond the days of ancient Egypt (5,000 BC); people were traversing to the Americas. There was a special on the Discovery Channel called Cocaine Mummies where some German scientists had found evidence in the mummies of Egypt & Asia of plants found only on the Western hemisphere.
2.) Regarding the so-called chart which illustrates the evolution of man. Every phase of man displayed except for two: Modern Man & Neanderthal are based on obscure parts which were built around and later discovered that the part was in fact an animal part after all. In Israel, archaeologists have found grave sites with skeletons of both Neanderthal and Modern man side by side. Unheard of before this discovery. For Neanderthals were beforehand believed to exist and died off long before Modern man came into the picture. Based on my understanding of Biblical knowledge, I believe the Neanderthal to be the giants spoken of in Genesis 6.
Our school books need to be revised with these new discoveries but that would be too much back-tracking.

Well as science progresses, more people have turned their backs on religion. Coincidence? of course not.
Blind faith is really illogical.

Satan still rules this world. He offered the kingdoms of the world to Jesus those 40 days of temptation in the desert. In the Bible, Satan's kingdoms are symbolized by the four horses of the apocalypse. Red is Satan's hidden dominion of world politics; Black is the world economy; Pale or dappled represents his global educational system & White is Satan's favorite dominion - Religion. This includes Christianity. It's no secret today that the educational institutions are slanted so far to the left, no wonder things like homosexuality, liberalism, socialism and anti-god are spawning grounds for influential minds... Empty vessels being filled with lies. Satan wants to educate people away from God.

God is all powerful, so why is he too afraid to show himself to doubters like myself?

Afraid? I see that you like to test God. Perhaps He has many times tried to reach you, but you're too full of the world to even notice.
And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.(Lk:16:31) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (Jn:20:29) That "doubting Thomas", even after seeing all the miracles that Jesus did for the people he still had doubt.

If he is all knowing then send me straight to heaven or hell and forget about the life bit. The life is too insignificantly short in comparison to eternity, so what purpose can it serve given that God knows the answers anyway?

We are not humans that have an occasional spiritual experience. We are spirits having a human experience. Yes, God knows the answer, but with your life, you're telling all of God's creations how much you respect Him and everything He's done for you. It's in this life that you're tested... and the test is... who is on God's side & who is not? Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. (Heb:11:1) And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. (Gal:3:8)

Do embryos that die during pregnancy go anywhere? how can they, they haven’t done anything.

Yes, they get a free ride to heaven. Maybe in this world they haven't done anything, but in the world they came from, they've already proven their love to the Lord. Hence the free ride. Our spirits are on a journey... from a place that's been corrupted to a place newly prepared... free of corruption. To get there, we are filtered through this world. This is the true meaning of being born again. It's actually "born from above". Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot see the kingdom of God. (Jn:3:3)

A lot of innocent blameless people die as a result of war. Does God raise a finger to help them? Nope, hes too busy hiding. Where was he on september 11? God bless America but he wont help you. So God wont prove his existance, wont help people when they need it, bet he doesnt answer prayers either. So what does he do? If he wont do the above, then why do i need him? Its no loss to me.

You remind me of this: But now, O LORD, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand. (Isa:64:8) Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding? (Isa:29:16) God has a plan. September 11th is part of that plan. Nothing happens unless God allows it to happen. This war on terrorism is leading the world to a series of prophesied events soon to take place. The climax of time is of a time which already happened. There are three heaven and earth ages. We are in the middle. In the first heaven & earth, Lucifer rebelled against God. The second heaven & earth is a courtroom recreation of events. Each of us are giving our testimony of where we stand with God as the big picture unfolds repeating that which has already happened in the "days of ancients" i.e. the first heaven and earth. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past. (Eccl:3:15) The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. (Eccl:1:9)
God does answer prayer. He's answers mine all the time. You just have to know God well enough to know what and when to ask for it.
I would imagine September 11th inspired many people to return or have a relationship with the Almighty. Those that died on 9/11 are happier than the human mind can comprehend. Wherefore I praised the dead which are already dead more than the living which are yet alive. Yea, better is he than both they, which hath not yet been (born from above), who hath not seen the evil work that is done under the sun. (Eccl:4:2-3)

If the Bible is proof of God, then why does it contradict itself?

There are no contradictions in the Bible. It's only from people that have either not read the book or have casually glanced over the scriptures who claim these contradictions. Ignorance claims the Bible contradicts itself. It's a perpetuated lie by people who in their minds have no need for God anyway.

and why doesnt god do those things anymore? Fact of the matter is God doesnt exist. And if he did, he doesnt give a damn about you because he will not help you. You believers will die in all the same way atheists will.

God's work for the believers is pretty much done. From the time of the cross, believers are saved by God's Grace according to their faith. God's not asking us to do anything that someone wouldn't want someone else to do for them. In other words, be nice to people and do for others what you would want others to do for you. As long as we're sharing the Love (God is Love) we cannot be sinning. It is impossible to sin while walking in the Spirit of Love.

PS- i better be right, cos im definately going to hell now if im wrong

I don't see what the big deal is with non-believers. Maybe it's because religion is so "full of it" that people just give up on God? Satan likes that thought. Religion asks a lot from their followers. Christianity (true Christianity) just asks that you believe that Jesus was God who died innocently to pay for the sins of the world on the cross. That's it. No rituals, no traditions & virtually no rules; just walk in the spirit of Love. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. (Mt:22:37-40) …anything more than this, you're just playing "church".

"War is Peace"

Showing your true colors?.. or just confused as the rest who deny God?

[poop juice]

Both sides in this endless argument of God vs. no God have twisted information to prove thier point. Each side also has valid information to thier cause, but in the end neither side is right. Religion is about personal beliefs, and everybody is entitled to thier own opinion.

[HeavenSent]

in the end neither side is right.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me. In the end, in the very near future, one side will be proven right.

[Vandroy]

We are not doomed so

[adastalin]

Originally posted by HeavenSent
[B]Science, at least in the educational institutions, likes to stretch the truth a bit

Well if you always blindly followed your religion you would believe the world was only 10,000 years old and that the sun moved round it...or maybe the world is flat. Science doesnt threaten to hang ppl who disagree. The two examples you gave i am aware of. What i will say is people know that Columbus went to america. The others are merely as you put it "belief". Unless there is definitive proof, this is not a good example of streching the truth. I am not totally sure that all other skulls were fakes but even so very few complete evolutionary chains have been found. I wish i had been listening that day in biology because science has an explaination for that based on Darwin's evolutioary theory, but i cant remember the details.

Originally posted by HeavenSent
[B]Satan still rules this world.

Is this a Christian idea? Sounds Gnostic to me.

Originally posted by HeavenSent In the Bible, Satan's kingdoms are symbolized by the four horses of the apocalypse. Red is Satan's hidden dominion of world politics; Black is the world economy; Pale or dappled represents his global educational system & White is Satan's favorite dominion - Religion.

This is nothing more than conjecture, it is not what the Bible says. Maybe you are wrong. Maybe the Bible is just too vague. You cant know that for sure, it is your personal representation of Revelations and a good way for you to criticise the world.

Originally posted by HeavenSentAfraid? I see that you like to test God. Perhaps He has many times tried to reach you, but you're too full of the world to even notice.

I would expect a better effort from God if he truly did try to reach me, his attempts were obviously pitiful. No burning bushes ever spoke to me Obviously he doesnt think me worth saving. I would expect more clarity from God.

We are not humans that have an occasional spiritual experience. We are spirits having a human experience. Yes, God knows the answer etc..

He knows everything, you do not have to prove that you are on his side, he knows. So again, the point of life is?

Yes, they get a free ride to heaven. Maybe in this world they haven't done anything, but in the world they came from, they've already proven their love to the Lord.

Er....the world they come from is?? Where is this in your blessed Bible? I am hoping this is not reincarnation...not a very christian idea at all...

God does answer prayer.

He blanked me. Guess he didnt care for me before I became an unbeliever.

Those that died on 9/11 are happier than the human mind can comprehend.

So it should happen again? Wow you really value life. What happened to thou shalt not kill? If i kill people because i want to send them to a better place am I not evil? If they really are off to a great place why is killing a sin? Surely its a mercy on my part to send them to God early.

There are no contradictions in the Bible.

Er...yes there are. Do you personally turn the other cheek as stated by Jesus or do you take an eye for an eye? If there are not direct contradictions the Bible is at least unclear and very open to interpretation. God can not give orders clearly? Why not, hes God?!

I don't see what the big deal is with non-believers. Maybe it's because religion is so "full of it" that people just give up on God? Satan likes that thought.

God certainly isnt doing himself any favours. He wants support, but few people are going to believe that strongly just because they and the world exists. If he actually appeared today and did miracles, that would turn many non-believers but he wont will he?

Showing your true colors?

I am frowning upon the immorallity of George Bush, fool.

I think its extremely arrogant to think that only people who believe as you do will go to heaven. If there is a God it should be possible to go to heaven without such extreme belief since even atheists can live right, apart from being atheist of course. If God sent atheists to hell because they are atheist then he is not all as forgiving as he is made out to be.