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    I would like to open a discussion dedicated to our beloved Ship number 6. Weasels. Cloakers, X's. Everyone seems to have quite a different view on them, and I've noted that most opinions seem to be negative (Forgive me for stating the obvious.) Now, as some people that have played with me know, Weasel is my favorite ship.

    Why? Well, I like that I can be invisible to most players. I can move past people without them even knowing. I like that I can weave in and out of the holes in the base, and the part which I expect will draw most controversy; I like that it's challenging to play.

    Weasel is challenging, you say? Well, if you’re trying to kill one person, then it’s not very difficult. Engage cloak and stealth, get relatively close and rocket ‘em. “EZ”, as they say. However, it’s a whole different story when you’re trying to keep killing different people while staying alive yourself. After someone dies to a Weasel almost everyone in the area will fire randomly in the general direction you were in, hoping to hit. If you stay in the same place after you get a kill, somewhere between 25% and 50% of the time, perhaps, they’ll come rushing back in a Terrier to try to kill you. Some will just change back to their other ship if you get away, but many will hunt.

    Why is this? If I was to launch a Javelin bomb down the tube and kill them, why don’t they hunt me, then? Would it be “more fair” if someone took a Javelin bomb into their cockpit than getting struck by a Weasel? If I go on a private frequency and Shark mine the main entrance to base, at 300 bounty, I get hunted less than I do as a Weasel with 50. People seem so fuelled by hatred of Weasels that if I kill someone once or twice in one, they’ll go out of their way, playing a ship they don’t even like, in order to hunt my Weasel down. The people that usually get struck by Weasels are usually the ones that are strays, anyway. If people are afraid of Weasels, why don’t they just stay close to a Terrier, or fly in open space, where Weasels are unlikely to be?

    Now the “I don’t care what people say” part, in my opinion, it takes skill to get (practically) on top of an enemy ship when you don’t move as fast as them, cloaked or not. Taking into account that 3 out of 8 ships have X-Radar, there’s plenty of detection around, it’s just that people often forget to use it. This is not the fault of the Weasel pilot. The Weasel pilot simply uses it to his or her advantage. What if Levi’s forgot that they had their blue bomb? Or what if Sharks forgot they had mines? It’s the same principle; the fault of the other pilot gets exploited.

    No one will read this if I put much more, anyway, so I’ll end here. I’m sure other points will be brought up. I’d like to request that this is kept to an intelligent debate, instead of a “weasels sux u noob” argument.

    I think I may be asking a bit much with that, though.

    Anyway, discuss.

    - Rion.
    G[y]Ro> omfg
    G[y]Ro> u nerds
    G[y]Ro> NERDS
    G[y]Ro> ALL OF U

  • #2
    Thanks. Anyway, right now, weasels are actually a pretty cheap ship. That's why I suggest that they change the weasel settings to like they are in ?go bigbase or ?go camelot. I made a thread about it, too. If you want to read some info on that, the link's http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=8270
    Anyway, the weasel's my favorite ship too.
    The pleasure's all mine.

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    • #3
      I really don't like those ideas. The Weasel is fine as it is, in my opinion. Basically I agree with what the others said... Keep it the same.
      G[y]Ro> omfg
      G[y]Ro> u nerds
      G[y]Ro> NERDS
      G[y]Ro> ALL OF U

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      • #4
        What a fag. Burp.

        Edit: The weasel isn't very good as it is now. Like someone mentioned in my thread, theoretically, the worst TW player using a weasel could kill the best TW player using a warbird. That's just not right.
        The pleasure's all mine.

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        • #5
          with jav bombs and shark mines, you can actually see what threat is approaching. not the same with x's. and besides, most x's just stay in the spawn and lame wb's and levs. and besides, there really isn't "plenty of detection around" anywhere besides the flagroom and mid.

          but i know where you're coming from. the x is fun sometimes, and it's very ninja like. a shadow assassin. but it's not a skill based ship, and i completely understand why everyone hates them. i mean, if i can rack up kills and still stay alive when i'm shitfaced drunk, then that says it all.

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          • #6
            You're the fag that said a Weasel is your favorite ship. Burp.
            Save a tree; eat a beaver

            1:Mefesto> king let me say you something
            1:Mefesto> you are a soon of a biatch with retarded face like nostra damus and you got a hump on your dick

            WHY TALK SHIT WHEN YOU ALREADY MAKE IT?!

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            • #7
              thats nice that you just told us why you like to weasel rion, but you are still a newb and you still didnt tell us why non weasels should tolerate them.

              we dont care if its challenging to play weasel first of all. there are tons (millions) of ways to challenge yourself in this game alone, and you have picked the lamest one possible. you like the fact that your prey cant fight back, its as simple as that.

              you forgot to see it from everyone else's perspective. its fuckin lame when i die to something i cant defend myself from, especially when im at high bounty.. dont you all just love it when you almost single handedly clear the enemy flagroom and are sitting up there defending it on your own and then the newest newbie in the zone kills you because you cant see him? sure he may die 5 seconds later just because someone saw him but that doesnt change the fact that the only way he kills is by laming.

              cloakers dont help the team much either, so dont give me that excuse. i really think whoever invented tw messed up when they decided to put this incredibly annoying ship that allows the worst to kill the best with ZERO effort in the game. when i whine about it the newbs say "well its a part of the game boo hoo it cant be lame wah wah wahh." yeah, a shitty part.
              Ripper>cant pee with a hard on
              apt>yes u can wtf
              apt>you need to clear the pipes after a nice masturbation
              apt>i just put myself in a wierd position
              apt>so i dont miss the toilet
              Ripper>but after u masterbaition it usually goes down
              apt>na
              apt>ill show you pictures
              apt>next time I masturbate

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              • #8
                i think the best ship is a levi. and if you dont believe me....ill kill you...
                1:AvenDragon> jason, what do you think of animals
                1:Jason> hm? what kind of animals?
                1:AvenDragon> um...soft ones
                1:Jason> i dunno, animals are cool i suppose
                1:AvenDragon> :/
                1:AvenDragon> what about dogs that poop?
                1:Jason> everyone shits, no biggie
                1:AvenDragon> u know...ur so right

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                • #9
                  I think the cloaker is okay with the current settings. But removing its stealth ability would be a good idea if we needed to weaken the weasel a bit.
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                  • #10
                    Za gopher, when I play I usually shoot from relatively close, but not "on top of" the enemy ship. There is definately a reaction time, and definately a chance to fight back. However, I have to choose when I'll shoot wisely, like, when said ship is already engaged in a battle, etc, or I die.

                    Some Weasel players like to play uncloaked, which is fun, also. You're at a massive disadvantage... But I've killed plenty of Warbirds, Terriers, etc when uncloaked. There is a degree of skill involved, no matter what anyone says.

                    And if you die to a Weasel, yeah, it's partially your fault, since if you're basing you should be by a Terrier anyway, to protect you from such things, and if you're in open space, the chances of a Weasel striking are pretty slim.
                    G[y]Ro> omfg
                    G[y]Ro> u nerds
                    G[y]Ro> NERDS
                    G[y]Ro> ALL OF U

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                    • #11
                      there is enough reaction time 1 in 100 times with a weasel. and often times my terrier is an idiot with no x radar or i go off into midbase to try to keep enemy out of flagroom from there. im not going to sit around my terr like a dumbass just so i wont get cloaked.
                      Ripper>cant pee with a hard on
                      apt>yes u can wtf
                      apt>you need to clear the pipes after a nice masturbation
                      apt>i just put myself in a wierd position
                      apt>so i dont miss the toilet
                      Ripper>but after u masterbaition it usually goes down
                      apt>na
                      apt>ill show you pictures
                      apt>next time I masturbate

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Rion.
                        ...and if you're in open space, the chances of a Weasel striking are pretty slim.
                        thank you for at least making your post funny.

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                        • #13
                          Slim compared to being hit in base?
                          G[y]Ro> omfg
                          G[y]Ro> u nerds
                          G[y]Ro> NERDS
                          G[y]Ro> ALL OF U

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                          • #14
                            Yeah, get rid of weasels (or even better levis) and replace them with a more interesting ship. The more interesting ship has very weak single bullets but has a very rapid fire rate, like . . . . . ., and the bullets would be single bounce (no other weapons or defence). It would recharge fast enough to fire continually. This ship would be useless in open space, but in base it could sit and create semi-permanent no-go areas, or walls of doom! as I call them. If you fly through their line of fire then you would probably be ok, but if you fly along the line of fire or are forced to spend some time there you're in trouble (especially if two of them are doing the same thing). So basically you can set up areas of the map in which the enemy will lose energy if they enter (or be killed). The single bounce would make for some very interesting shot set ups and overall make it an extremely tactical basing ship. I call this ship "the booger" and it's cool.

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                            • #15
                              When I play in public I play one of two ships really.
                              Weasel or Shark. I shark when basing, and if a bunch of leviathans or LT's tick me off, I will sometimes switch to weasel and go lev hunting. I X enemy levs no matter where I see them. I get so damn tired of flying to the base and lev bombs come out of the bottom or side safes and kill or TK me, that I feel like they deserve it. They've earned it by lobbing their random bombs off screen just hoping to get some bounty. When I started flying X I was surprised at the amount of patience it takes. And from the start, I never X'ed any other ship that was sitting in the spawn area or moving to the base, that wasn't a lev, or they took a large number of shots at me first. I love the fact that when I X a lev, they will switch to a terrier and hunt me for one reason. I don't care if I die once, twice, or a thousand times with any amount of bounty. My goal is to keep the levs from continuing to play as levs or LT's, and screwing with the basing people. It is kind of lame, to shoot people who can't see you, so I don't use the ability to pick on anyone but Levs, who at least with me, started the fight first.

                              In short, it isn't the ship so much as the pilot that determines just how lame they truly behave.
                              "Sexy" Steve Mijalis-Gilster, IVX

                              Reinstate Me.

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