Elim Season 9

[Rab]

Tbh the ratings system is part of the problem. The more ppl care about winning the longer games drag on for. It's a meme at the moment that everyone's playing like Jessup. So I don't give the slightest fuck about removing the ratings system entirely and then implementing one or both of those ideas.

Edit:

Make time part of the formula, like how spiders are rated in kills-per-minute in basing. Kills-per-minute is really low at the end of the game, so this would mean your rating gets worse if you drag out the game.

The risk with that is that someone who doesn't care about rating just drags out the game.

The solution to that is to remove the win bonus. So someone can legitimately spec for rec.

So basically the rating formula is: (KPM - DPM)

[qan]

Can we have a change to make games not forever with the last few people in?
Time limit?
Increase their deaths +1 until someone is on 9?

Would have to be done pretty thoughtfully for it not to muck up the ratings.

Is there anything that can be done that doesn't affect the score? For example, warping them to specific locations after each death, or (in the case of WB games) notifying of coords on each death.

We could look at a warp to a special 1v1 arena once it reaches that stage?

[Rab]

Can we have a change to make games not forever with the last few people in?
Time limit?
Increase their deaths +1 until someone is on 9?

[wulfi]

sad nerds run and hide its sad.

[Rab]

Making elim people aware of this: https://forums.trenchwars.com/forum/...er-performance

[afghan]

There should be a sticky thread for the elim championship standings

[Rab]

tucker> yo we need to add RPS to elim too

qft

[Jessup]

I do see the logic allowing x radar to stay for terrs in base because it prevents double warps. As ogron says removing the EMP drain factor while x radar is on is the real drawback. Keep EMP times due to proximity of explosions but stop the drain!

[Turban]

Any more info about when this happened? Turban Hard to track down. From a quick look at the code, my guess is that he was in practice mode from the start of the round/didn't receive a notification?

First I've heard of something like this happening. Practice mode is a now-disabled feature that allowed players to play in practice arenas after they were eliminated, to give them something to do while they waited for the next match. But it ended up being confusing because it wasn't clear who was in or out of the match, and how many players remained. Anyhow, small tweak in that may fix it.




For removing Jav XRadar/making it 0 cost for Terrs in basing arenas, it seems uncontroversial. Anyone have any reason why it shouldn't be done?

qan

Not really much more information to give.

I entered an elimination round twice during the voting period and proceeded to play normally. Unfortunately for some reason the bot did not register me as a regular player in the elimination round, but instead I was put in a practice mode. This happened twice in a row, and thus as an attempt to fix it ended up using !late command to force the bot to add me into the game. This fixed my issue and haven't had any problems since.

As far as the second point goes, I would recommend lowering the energy drain of X-Radar to be as low as possible so you still use some energy as many find it helpful to have 1499 energy which prevents double warping. Javelin does not need X-Radar in any competitive arena as none of the used ships can use Stealth or Cloak.

.. and, as an added suggestion, we could perhaps enable the ability to see bombs in Elimination arenas on radar. It would add another layer of skill, especially for lower resolution players, as you could see a bomb approaching on the radar.

[Rab]

No more info about the scenario. Seemed like a normal round to me. Probably best to just remove the code for practice mode.

I though it was the fact that x radar costs energy that prevents the warp (because you need full nrg to warp) so if it costs 0 it wouldn't prevent warp? But yeah if it would actually work then it's a positive change. As with every basing change I ask that it's made consistently in all basing arenas, the divergence between basing arenas is annoying.

[qan]

Robo Ref> We're playing Jav elim to 5 w/ shrap. 4 players left (and 1 practicing). PM with !late to enter.

Just had a game that flagged turban as practicing for no apparent reason, and it denied him the win.
What is practicing anyway and how do you do it? Nothing in !help about it.

Any more info about when this happened? Turban Hard to track down. From a quick look at the code, my guess is that he was in practice mode from the start of the round/didn't receive a notification?

First I've heard of something like this happening. Practice mode is a now-disabled feature that allowed players to play in practice arenas after they were eliminated, to give them something to do while they waited for the next match. But it ended up being confusing because it wasn't clear who was in or out of the match, and how many players remained. Anyhow, small tweak in that may fix it.




For removing Jav XRadar/making it 0 cost for Terrs in basing arenas, it seems uncontroversial. Anyone have any reason why it shouldn't be done?

[ogron]

Making x-radar in terr not cost energy in TWLB would be fantastic, so you can prevent yourself from double-warping.

Right now it doesnt drain, but if you get EMP'd, it drains your energy, and so it's not ideal.

Would be a nice Quality of life improvement for terr.

[Jessup]

Can we please remove the x radar on javs in elim. It really causes issues for players by draining energy with accidental hits of it and is pointless. It should be removed completely from jav in Elim ,Twd, Twl, Twdt and in Tsl. No reason to have it in arenas with no cloakers around.

Terr should have it removed in basing games where no cloakers are used too.

[Rab]

Robo Ref> We're playing Jav elim to 5 w/ shrap. 4 players left (and 1 practicing). PM with !late to enter.

Just had a game that flagged turban as practicing for no apparent reason, and it denied him the win.
What is practicing anyway and how do you do it? Nothing in !help about it.

[qan]

Thanks for turning out this slick graphic! Regardless of the standings we go with the current version is up.


Here are the differences between website standings (now) and standings as of the 15th.

There's nothing wrong with going with either. The issue with going with the standings now is that the season was supposed to end earlier, but an outage prevented the last day or so being played. Also, some players may not have had a chance to play on returning, giving certain players who are in the know about the zone coming back up a chance to play a few extra games.

The issue with going with the standings of April 15 are that they'll appear different from the site. But that's maybe not such a big deal, as most players understand there was an outage at the time. Also, it didn't affect the Championship points, as each of the places swapped earn the same number of points. So this is where I would lean toward, especially as the graphic is already done.

Differences:

WB
Zapata 13->14
Doughnut 14->13

morph 16->15
Jessup 15->16

bitsaver 19->20
Myollnir 20->19

Jav
Identical