Pub Proposal

[Lizzo]

not just one game, not just one bomb, and more tks attributed to ships other than levs. Good try blaming others for getting "Urasskicked" cause you can't handle losing. I don't even remember you being in and I wasn't even in a Lev most of the time. Again, good try, keep repeating fake news and your poke SPAWNSTICs will believe it

[Jurassic]

17v17 games, when levs were in FULL FORCE. The only lamers were serial spawner space war. Still clocked more numbers then DEDICATED PUREPUB WEEKEND. No matter how many people gonna say it was a "resounding success". Let go.

Check the chat log from mon night. "I haven't played for 10 years, how do I change ships". "how do I sent team chat". That is what you want to see.

If you were on and continue to act like you weren't having a fun competitive game, everyone knows you're lying to save face. No one answering 1280s responses... What is that about?. You know he is right. When do you base terr? When do you encourage team? When you do anything "productive" to grow numbers? Never. And that is for all 4 of you core complainers. So spawn me if you want, idgaf, I pee my seat when I get 1/10 kills from spawn in a Levi cause that shows how bad u r. Y'all probably actually playing more just to try to kill me. That's fine, I am okay with being a martyr.
Y'all thinking that you could run things is laughable. That would be better with your anti diversity and anti community policies. You are wrong. The people running the game are sacrificing and adapting and being very patient. I had been banned many times, now they are starting to actually see what community brings to game. They know how I've had a rough life and now that I got $$$s and see that I am a loud proud bbbw.

Go make some more aliases

That 17v17 basing game literally ended when double_penetration killed our whole team with some random levi bomb. We got back in with 30 seconds. Then you (Lizzo) in a levi, killed our 4 players charging the flag with a levi tk bomb aimed at flag, and we lost, causing everyone to quit.

[Lizzo]

Summary:

Poseidon not talking + SPAWNSTIC and pokecrew not laming + no purepub = more players during week day than all purepub weekend combined
2-3 players came back and stayed after 10 years

Proof is in the pudding and I know pudding

17v17 games, when levs were in FULL FORCE. The only lamers were serial spawner space war. Still clocked more numbers then DEDICATED PUREPUB WEEKEND. No matter how many people gonna say it was a "resounding success". Let go.

Check the chat log from mon night. "I haven't played for 10 years, how do I change ships". "how do I sent team chat". That is what you want to see.

If you were on and continue to act like you weren't having a fun competitive game, everyone knows you're lying to save face. No one answering 1280s responses... What is that about?. You know he is right. When do you base terr? When do you encourage team? When you do anything "productive" to grow numbers? Never. And that is for all 4 of you core complainers. So spawn me if you want, idgaf, I pee my seat when I get 1/10 kills from spawn in a Levi cause that shows how bad u r. Y'all probably actually playing more just to try to kill me. That's fine, I am okay with being a martyr.
Y'all thinking that you could run things is laughable. That would be better with your anti diversity and anti community policies. You are wrong. The people running the game are sacrificing and adapting and being very patient. I had been banned many times, now they are starting to actually see what community brings to game. They know how I've had a rough life and now that I got $$$s and see that I am a loud proud bbbw.

Go make some more aliases

[Vehicle]

I agree. Probably the only intelligent thing to ever be typed by Poseidon.

I agree with Jurassic, who is agreeing with wbm, who is agreeing with Poseidon.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Ban the levi outright. As plenty of others have stated: It does not serve the stated goal of the zone (the flag game) and provides entertainment for one person and the expense of not just another person but the competitive nature of the game itself. Some people will be mad. A couple might even quit. But getting rid of levi is long overdue.

[Jurassic]

I like Pos's idea of letting the people vote if they want purepub + attachmode before the game starts. Let the people who are playing decide which mode should be played. The main reason people play pub is to win the flag game especially if there is a big Pubbux bonus. In a game of 16v16, the flag game becomes very competitive and Levis ruins this. Imagine a FR with 20ppl and few levi bombs comes in and kills everyone. It takes little effort for a Levi to come into base as well to ruin the game. From spawn I could Thrust Up + Rocket to base and !buy rocket and get inside to ruin a game in less than 30s. Change the settings to Levi or let the people vote on which mode should be offered.

I agree. Probably the only intelligent thing to ever be typed by Poseidon.

[warbirdmaster#1]

I see Levis as a problem because it ruins the experience of the people trying to actually win the capture the flag game. That's why I decided to go on =99 (Levi hunting freq) to kill all the Levis in spawn before they get into midbase. You're crying about Levis getting hunted in spawn but tell people to go kill them in midbase? how does that even make sense

[1280]

bottom line is this:
-attachmode = more people playing = better for zone.

In a game of 16v16, the flag game becomes very competitive and Levis ruins this. Imagine a FR with 20ppl and few levi bombs comes in and kills everyone..

Read my post, especially the first parts of it and prove me wrong. Btw.. does either of you even baseterr, ever?

[warbirdmaster#1]

I like Pos's idea of letting the people vote if they want purepub + attachmode before the game starts. Let the people who are playing decide which mode should be played. The main reason people play pub is to win the flag game especially if there is a big Pubbux bonus. In a game of 16v16, the flag game becomes very competitive and Levis ruins this. Imagine a FR with 20ppl and few levi bombs comes in and kills everyone. It takes little effort for a Levi to come into base as well to ruin the game. From spawn I could Thrust Up + Rocket to base and !buy rocket and get inside to ruin a game in less than 30s. Change the settings to Levi or let the people vote on which mode should be offered.

[Rab]

lol no

[Lizzo]

It's because qan thinks that trolls have a right to play the game the way they want, regardless of whether it ruins it for everyone else. Same reason pub is full of chat cancer. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the trolls is qan aliased.

"Be how I want you to be or you're cancer"

Anti community anti game growth contingent is the cancer . this game needs a formal Levteenth celebration.



But good point, aliases do not contribute to growth.


What about a 3/5 compromise:

Eliminate purepub, but disallow bombing ship and weasel until 6 hour play time also default to team chat.

[Lizzo]

Competitive? Lol Poseidon so ez for Levi. Thinks he is the best in game because he suicide pew pew guy. chases everyone in spider and gets the occasional KoT win. It works fine when attacking WB in base because it doesn't matter what health you're at and it stuns them. But since he is at zero health literally all the time he dies from being anywhere near Levi bomb (or any other bomb for that matter). Arguably he was prob gonna die anyway, Levi bomb just eliminated the chance for him to luck out and live. That is what this post is about, he tired of dying and instead of using all that anger to figure out how to get better, he gonna try to kill the game from growing. Ironically, player arguing about making the game more competitive is not learning how to he competitive. Several players play spider and destroy Levi's cause they balance health and position, etc. Low IQ vets won't adapt and that is one the things that will kill game.

[Rab]

It's because qan thinks that trolls have a right to play the game the way they want, regardless of whether it ruins it for everyone else. Same reason pub is full of chat cancer. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the trolls is qan aliased.

[Poseidon]

Damn, I was hoping to see something about our 52 minute flag game last night from Poseidon.

like i said, i could write a dissertation on the subject full of 100 such examples.

all that aside... the main problem i feel has been plaguing TW since the days of PriitK is a lack of commitment to the competitive aspect of the game. which at the heart of this issue must either lie:

~ 1. a denial or lack of ability to see the obvious reality that the significant majority of players are ultimately driven to play pub because of the competitive engagement able to engender

OR

~ 2. an understanding and acknowledgment of above concept but a refusal to shift the focus of TW pub to accommodate.


the latter made more sense 22 years ago when TW was created as a space for 12 year olds to goof off in an environment where noone was taking things too seriously. when this zone was designed the creators had no conception yet of the competitive potential that would arise out of its unique sense of ship dynamic. and what you ended up with is in my opinion one of the most compelling and technically nuanced leagues in all the history of subspace - ironic for such a blossom to arise out from the murky trenches of the "newbie zone".

and when we could have seized the opportunity 20 years ago and shifted the focus such that we are trying to generate more interest for TWLB, the zone instead has remained stifled by its adherence to priitks legacy. we are talking about a guy here who was never once spotted outside of a leviterr and probably couldnt hit a rock in a wb if you gave him 10 tries.


bottom line is this:

-attachmode = more people playing = better for zone.

- a redesigned levi updated from 1998 would = more people playing = bette rfor zone. surely we can be more creative than this sad excuse for a ship. prox bombs with a smaller radius? lots of ways we could retain and even improve upon the feel of levi while making the game more playable for the other 80% of the population who are not interested in dealing with getting exploded every 10 seconds

- and most importantly, commitment to a cultivation of a well-balanced and engaging competitive pub = more people playing = better for zone
im not so sure the people in charge of making decisions in this zone feel this way. hopefully im wrong

[Lizzo]

Summary:

Poseidon not talking + SPAWNSTIC and pokecrew not laming + no purepub = more players during week day than all purepub weekend combined
2-3 players came back and stayed after 10 years

Proof is in the pudding and I know pudding

[PureOwnage]

Damn, I was hoping to see something about our 52 minute flag game last night from Poseidon.