thank goodness for Levis and LTs

[Etimmu]

As for population drop, school is being let out, kids are camping etc, summer fun what not. It's going to drop over the summer anyway.

Wait, lemme get this straight. You actually think kids are going to go outside this summer?

Nutjob.

[A_S_S_wipe]

Public basing and ?go basing are two different types of basing. Hell, I used to Leviterr with MADCOWZ and Levterr, but I realised that Leviterring ruins the fun for other people tying to base. People do not play Public anymore because of the Leviterrs.

They can, but they don't do it too often. A terr can watch his back and avoid getting tk'd, its not like its a regular occurence in the non pure pubs

Not gonna rehash all your comments, though they are noted. 1, yes, pub and ?go base ARE two different animals, and so are the arenas that allow levis....Yeah I was in LevTerr as well, good times, good times. However, it does not ruin the fun for me or others, I love hunting LTs that get out of hand, and scoring a big chunk of change to boot. Plus, there are arenas where I often see 7 or 8 or more ppl on a private LT freq, so that the TKs can be accepted and even encouraged. Let's not ignore these ppl, they do exist. And as any LT freq player can testify, a lot of ppl will request to be included in these freqs, which DO base. Thats proof that LT freqs "care about basing", its jsut that they have to go private so some veangeful player or noob jav will not attach just to kill the LTs well intended fun.
As for the terr watching his back to avoid tk, they can do the same with proper levi piloting. And I contend that jav tks ARE a regular occurence, as are idiotically placed shark mines.
In sum, there ARE enough ppl that love a levi to crack the gate, protect him, help him green even (though a good levi always greens himself). What can be more fun than to help a handicapped ship escape laming? To some this is teamwork, and the reward is to drop a few balls of fire on the nme, in base, mid or wherever. Any team that jsut sits in base and cannot police its borders deserves to die for being lazy.

[Kolar]

Not gonna rehash all your comments, though they are noted. 1, yes, pub and ?go base ARE two different animals, and so are the arenas that allow levis....

We're trying to change that currently by developing the game. Having different bots, settings ect.. in publics only makes the community fragmented and weak.

Yeah I was in LevTerr as well, good times, good times. However, it does not ruin the fun for me or others, I love hunting LTs that get out of hand, and scoring a big chunk of change to boot.

Well, that's your fun. I sure as hell can't say I enjoy flying after a terrier that warps every 10 seconds. You can't counter with anything here, not one person or team would be willing to be hunting LTs their entire time on subspace and even then it's a game of chance with no end or reward.

Plus, there are arenas where I often see 7 or 8 or more ppl on a private LT freq, so that the TKs can be accepted and even encouraged. Let's not ignore these ppl, they do exist.

Yes and they're fragmenting regular publics so much you can't play the game there anymore. They're not the majority and they're not helping this game or even playing the game.

Thats proof that LT freqs "care about basing", its jsut that they have to go private so some veangeful player or noob jav will not attach just to kill the LTs well intended fun.

It's all about point whoring, nothing more.

And I contend that jav tks ARE a regular occurence, as are idiotically placed shark mines.

One problem at a time, and we'll deal with the most important and over due one first.

(though a good levi always greens himself)

That's a rarely occurence.

. What can be more fun than to help a handicapped ship escape laming?

It is anything but a handicapped ship as a Levi Turret.

To some this is teamwork, and the reward is to drop a few balls of fire on the nme, in base, mid or wherever. Any team that jsut sits in base and cannot police its borders deserves to die for being lazy.

SO you're asking that an entire team have 4 players outside of the base, not basing, just so maybe 5 more inside can? At what point will this seem to be a waste of time for everyone pubbing.... oh wait, already happened: GO FUCKING LOOK AT REGULAR PUBLIC BASING.
:turned:

[Dabram]

I like to LT once in a while but it does ruin all the basing fun...
I hate LT's when I'm basing but it's fun to LT yourself from time to time

I got the solution. First of all, you only get points for having flag, 200 every minute. Then when someone decides to play levi (which is possible) your points degrade by 2000 per minute. So for every 10 minutes u keep flag you can play levi for 1 minute! This way only by being a hardcore flagkeeper you can levterr once in a while. If you have no more points left you get thrown into spec or disconnected or something in the likes of that.

I never play in pub myself, because I simply don't find it exciting, but I can see that some people just want to chill out once in a while and shoot big fat bombs at a flagroom.

[A_S_S_wipe]

Ok, I see I'm going to have to clarify my (valid) points, and try not to turn this thread into a trash talk candidate. With all due respect:

We're trying to change that currently by developing the game. Having different bots, settings ect.. in publics only makes the community fragmented and weak.

The community became fragmented right after levis were banned from basing. This of course immediately divided TW into two groups(basers and pubbers). That alone dissuays some ppl from playing base, I mean, who gives a crap about endless spider shots? Its fun sometimes, but not everyone LOVES it. (btw I base too). So in the course of "developing" the game, what you mean is that you want everyone to love basing, under the basers (antilev) desired conditions. This is an ideal and far from the reality that ppl like to screw off and do what they want, hence pub. Hosted games can be reserved for special conditions.

Well, that's your fun. I sure as hell can't say I enjoy flying after a terrier that warps every 10 seconds. You can't counter with anything here, not one person or team would be willing to be hunting LTs their entire time on subspace and even then it's a game of chance with no end or reward

It's also fun to purchase anti. Hunting LTs is no game of chance with me, I guess it takes and LT to catch an LT. I can understand this may frustrate less skilled players, yet great rewards come to those who wait. And actually, I see ppl hunting LTs all the time, some ppl even green the levis so they can go hunt them!! this is true. As for devoting one or a few ppl to securing external base access, observe base or pub and youll see 2 or 3 javs, 2 weasels, a terr, etcc posted on the top harrassing the flagroom, with or without an LT near. Again, ppl doing what they enjoy.

Yes and they're fragmenting regular publics so much you can't play the game there anymore. They're not the majority and they're not helping this game or even playing the game

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Some players go solo, as to challenge themselves or develop their win loss by having twice as many targets. These of course are the warbirds, weasels and lancs spawning or hunting. They are not basing. The LT freqs and squad freqs that form in pubs do so for fun, not to help "this game" which I assume to mean the "basing" aspect of it. I'm not knocking basing, but you live in fantasy land if you think that restricting ppls fun in pub (what else is pub for??) is going to "play base" the way you idealize.

It's all about point whoring, nothing more.

I disagree. You say the LTs get the flagroom to "whore points", yet what are the basers doing when they keep the flag? lol, Also Levis spend a lot of their points on repels and rockets during gameplay, taking advantage of a game system designed to allow a player to survive longer if he can earn the dough. If you meant "bounty whoring", I believe getting high bounty is a goal many are happy to accomplish. Whats your point here?

One problem at a time, and we'll deal with the most important and over due one first.

This in response to the jav tking I mentioned. There is even another thread on jav tks in, I believe, the Staff folder. Then on to the sharks? Tking will never be completely gone without ruining your war machine. Shall we all have spiders? Sounds boring, friendly fire happens, levis jav, shark. Just a hazard of a wartime environment.

That's a rarely occurence.

This in reference to a good levi greening himself. I do see a lot of ppl getting fed greens so they can attach. So what? Those players WANT to have a levi ride on them, why complain about teamwork. Still, a good levi WILL green himself, it jsut happens in the scheme its faster sometimes after the spawnfest of trying to make it to a safe. Overcoming difficulty is a team effort. But your anti-levi bias shines on that comment,....

SO you're asking that an entire team have 4 players outside of the base, not basing, just so maybe 5 more inside can? At what point will this seem to be a waste of time for everyone pubbing.... oh wait, already happened: GO FUCKING LOOK AT REGULAR PUBLIC BASING.

That in response to my comment on how a pub team failing to secure the top should be bombed. Again, is it less fun to have to secure the top? Maybe, but there are those who love the outside job, its more adventuresome, difficult, and rewarding. You say at what point will it be a waste of time for everyone pubbing, THEN you call it PUBLIC BASING. <<--Your love of basing is not missed here. The point I'm making is that when we want base, well ?go base, or maybe even the 3 minute arena. Sadly, Kolar, you have to accept the fact that not everyone is upset with the way regular pub arena is. Why can't we jsut be allowed to have a public arena for casual fun and, again, not having BASING shoved up our asses. Maybe the basers have already gone too far in changing TW. In the end, I held my tongue during all the changes, but I see now its getting out of hand. LT's cant be blamed for everything, and my main point is this is what many players were hooked on. Keep changing it to suit an ideal setting, and youll find that its not so ideal to everyone, like you hope. In other words, leave my part of trench alone, and I'll come visit in the basing arenas. I'm sure others have a similar love for casual pubs!!? :wub:
Sorry for the length, but I think I speak for many a pubber who is tired of all the diddling with what we have come to love, and know, as trench. My final thought is to advise you and your ilk to not underestimate the levi's influence in this zone. Wise man say, He who seeks a levi, finds his own death. Wise man also say, He who kills ship 4, kills the zone.

[Shas'la T'au Kais]

Y'know, TW is supposed to be a basing zone

[EnFlAmE]

people that base in pub are still pubbers

[Darkmoor]

.... oh wait, already happened: GO FUCKING LOOK AT REGULAR PUBLIC (BASING).

Of course, the goal is to hold the flag and get tons of points. However, publics should be more too. I have to agree that they have degraded into something useless atm, and are not very fun to play at. But changes to the settings of a two ships (weasel & levi), adding anti-tk bots and otherwise limiting stuff isn't going to help the situation imo. Instead, other possible things should be tested to encourage players in other ways (adding some kind of bonuses perhaps etc).

[suxxor]

However, it does not ruin the fun for me or others, I love hunting LTs that get out of hand, and scoring a big chunk of change to boot.

please don't speak for "others." as an "other," I fucking HATE LT's. they do indeed ruin my fun. all the time. consistently. on a regular basis. I shouldn't have to stop sharking every 15 minutes to go hunt down an LT that won't stop being annoying. I shouldn't have to waste points to ?buy antiwarp because two people find it amusing to just randomly throw blue bombs at walls. hunting LT's is something that I do because it needs doing, not because I like it.

[Tone]

To bad it cant be made so that if a levi is attached to a terrier, it is 3000 points to kill the levi. but points arent quite fun enough because the safe store is small .. anti's and decoys

[PH]

Yeah, they should offer antiantiantiantiantiantiantiwarp like you so brilliantly suggested.

Next.

[Tone]

please don't speak for "others." as an "other," I fucking HATE LT's. they do indeed ruin my fun. all the time. consistently. on a regular basis. I shouldn't have to stop sharking every 15 minutes to go hunt down an LT that won't stop being annoying. I shouldn't have to waste points to ?buy antiwarp because two people find it amusing to just randomly throw blue bombs at walls. hunting LT's is something that I do because it needs doing, not because I like it.

you are always in pure pubs and i bet you go to ?go base a lot too

[Theif of Time]

and the bots are always up in pure pub and suxxor has never ever in his life been in a pub with levis [/sarcasm]

[suxxor]

you are always in pure pubs and i bet you go to ?go base a lot too

actually, I never ?go base. the elitist, stuck up, "wait and hope you get to play" attitude that's prevalent there pisses me off. and actually, I'm RARELY in pure pubs, because they're always fucking full. I play in whatever pub I land in when I start the game. so again.. shut up.

[Kolar]

Ok, I see I'm going to have to clarify my (valid) points, and try not to turn this thread into a trash talk candidate. With all due respect:

It has always been fragmented from baser-public player, the levi is another thing, they're not pubbers. TW is a lot more then its publics but to make it survive the goal of the publics needs to well defined, developed and running. It does not matter if you dont, I dont and if Anyone doesn't like basing, IT IS THE GAME.


Roofing, that is a ofensive thing, not a defensive.

Some players go solo, as to challenge themselves or develop their win loss by having twice as many targets. These of course are the warbirds, weasels and lancs spawning or hunting.

People can do what they want in publics as long as it does not interfer with the game and goal, and does not pull people off of doing that in the first place. This is not a "fantisy" land crap, basing is fun, not your fun, your fun=laming and kill the fun for a lot of people, we're tired of it.

I disagree. You say the LTs get the flagroom to "whore points", yet what are the basers doing when they keep the flag?

If someone is holding the flag on a LT freq they are whoring for points (200 per kill....).

If you meant "bounty whoring", I believe getting high bounty is a goal many are happy to accomplish. Whats your point here?

My point is that they're not basing for real, they're helping a LT to get points, nothing more.

This in response to the jav tking I mentioned. There is even another thread on jav tks in, I believe, the Staff folder. Then on to the sharks? Tking will never be completely gone without ruining your war machine. Shall we all have spiders? Sounds boring, friendly fire happens, levis jav, shark. Just a hazard of a wartime environment.

You really have no idea how to play this game.

This in reference to a good levi greening himself. I do see a lot of ppl getting fed greens so they can attach. So what? Those players WANT to have a levi ride on them, why complain about teamwork. Still, a good levi WILL green himself, it jsut happens in the scheme its faster sometimes after the spawnfest of trying to make it to a safe. Overcoming difficulty is a team effort. But your anti-levi bias shines on that comment,....

The speed and greening by its self are disadvantages it must overcome, where are the ship's disadvantages or weakness as a Levi Turret?

That in response to my comment on how a pub team failing to secure the top should be bombed. Again, is it less fun to have to secure the top? Maybe, but there are those who love the outside job, its more adventuresome, difficult, and rewarding. You say at what point will it be a waste of time for everyone pubbing, THEN you call it PUBLIC BASING. <<--Your love of basing is not missed here.

Publics refering to the arena, Public Basing is the game of Publics, very simple wording. Not always will you have 3-4 players wanting to go outside and if you would check a regular public once and a while you would notice not only that but the fact that people won't base in these arenas because of Levi Turrets.

The point I'm making is that when we want base, well ?go base, or maybe even the 3 minute arena.

Sorry but that's not my intention and that kind of thinking will destroy this zone. We're not looking to make all the arenas time publics or *locking them, people will goto the base and play the game if 1:they're not killed randomly without skill or recourse by a LT 2:They're not allowed to lame people with a LT.

Sadly, Kolar, you have to accept the fact that not everyone is upset with the way regular pub arena is. Why can't we jsut be allowed to have a public arena for casual fun and, again, not having BASING shoved up our asses.

A good number of people I like to call the majority are not happy with it, even long time LT players are not because they can understand what they've done to the game. We're not throwing basing at you but it is the game, we're working on making it more fun yet leaving public players to do whatever they want (given their play does not mess up the game). Staff is looking to keep their players in this zone, if I didn't make that clear or maybe that's your problem here.. you didn't understand that.

The zone does not rely on any single ship, game play or setting to survive. The zone can become less playable though due to anyone of these and substituting LT for basing is not an option, for one feeds off the other. You cant get around that simple fact A_S_.., your play feeds off of basing and the extent of the damage can be seen, I don't know why you continue to refute it.