thank goodness for Levis and LTs

[Kolar]

Why should people wanting to base escape to pure publics? (which are always full and popular). Really, I've not found a one answer to anything besides "it's fun, fuck off", well Tone and other public annoyances, it is not our fun nor is it the fun of a lot of players. Fragmenting publics with different settings, weekend settings and bots ect.. is just bullshit and won't help this zone grow, if nothing else comprmise: Find a way to keep both like TK has tried, and give him some fucking credit for doing it.

[Tone]

Fragmenting publics with different settings, weekend settings and bots ect.. is just bullshit and won't help this zone grow, if nothing else comprmise: Find a way to keep both like TK has tried, and give him some fucking credit for doing it.

different settings and weekend settings, what a great idea for variation. this will make the zone grow and stay more interesting

[Kolar]

Can you write anything with your own presective tone? with your own opinion and actually think about it before writing or agree with anything?

No it would not help the zone. Continuity and everything else aside, why waste the space for LT publics when we know people will stay out of them, given the choice?

[PEGASiS]

Can you write anything with your own presective tone? with your own opinion and actually think about it before writing or agree with anything?

No it would not help the zone. Continuity and everything else aside, why waste the space for LT publics when we know people will stay out of them, given the choice?

Sorry I didn't read up all the way, but who with sense would?

A LeviTerr pub? Are you fucking kidding me? Only people who want to LT would play in it, and then no one would want to LT because there would be no one in the base.

The fact is, if there is no basing, then there is no LT'ing.

And for you saying that people might like to log on and hunt LT? Give me a fucking break. I'd like to do my own thing, thank you. Not follow some other kid around hoping I get a shot off before he warps.

Has anyone banned t0ne yet? Please say yes.

[Kuukunen]

Sorry I didn't read up all the way, but who with sense would?

A LeviTerr pub? Are you fucking kidding me? Only people who want to LT would play in it, and then no one would want to LT because there would be no one in the base.

The fact is, if there is no basing, then there is no LT'ing.

Yup, said on this thread many times. But it's a good thing it's said over and over again, maybe at some point the realize it's true. *sigh*

And for you saying that people might like to log on and hunt LT? Give me a fucking break. I'd like to do my own thing, thank you. Not follow some other kid around hoping I get a shot off before he warps.

Yes, said over and over again. They don't believe it though, it's always "I think it's fun to hunt LTs". Oh and I have to do a quote from another post:

It's also fun to purchase anti. Hunting LTs is no game of chance with me, I guess it takes and LT to catch an LT. I can understand this may frustrate less skilled players, yet great rewards come to those who wait. And actually, I see ppl hunting LTs all the time, some ppl even green the levis so they can go hunt them!! this is true.

Has anyone banned t0ne yet? Please say yes.

Well until that ASS wipe guy started posting here, this thread was nothing but "Tone, shut the fuck up. Why isn't he banned yet?". Let's see if that ASS Wipe even dares to write here again.

[Tone]

Can you write anything with your own presective tone? with your own opinion and actually think about it before writing or agree with anything?

No it would not help the zone. Continuity and everything else aside, why waste the space for LT publics when we know people will stay out of them, given the choice?

My own perspective? the weekend would come around and id be like alright! shrapnel time, then monday would come and id be like cool, LTs again, then id look forward to the next weekend of mark II shrapnel. ah the fun and variation of two good things instead of one. Once again, nice going Arilou Lalee'lay

[A_S_S_wipe]

Well, well well. It's my assertion that the "popularity of the pure pubs is great, because so many ppl are always in there proves it" claim is FALSE>
How do I know this? Because there is no option to go the pure pubs, in other words, being default arenas, always of the lowest access, these arenas basically trick ppl into there. Not as in deviousness, but as no other option and some will not even notice.
Try moving those bots to a NONDEFAULT arena, and THEN see if they stay full, such as at 5:00 am when I cant base with a levi because there are only 60 ppl in pubs. Also, you can see that ?go newlev is empty 24/7 despite advertising in green announcement.
Also, all these changes ARE, in my opinion, being forced upon the population. You may not care, but I and others will be gone once this zones settings become more exclusive to a particular group. That's fine, I'll find eleswhere to turret and have fun. Just don't say we didn't complain when we could, were basically losing settings that have stood the test of time for eyars, and now something is being forced.
I also challenge the "pure pub" bots to be placed outside the default parameters, ie, not pub 0 or next lowest. Then see if they stay full on their own merits, and I will then believe that the ppl in there actually selected it with prior knowledge. Until then, I adamantly refute the pure pub bots popularity, and will not accept anyone's claim that they are popular because they are full. The one fast food restaurant ANYWHERE is "popular" using that logic, if it's your ONLY choice. K?
Basing is forced on us, fine, do it, just be prepared for losses. I know, no one cares about growth, etc.. Just make your basing changes final and stop dicking with us every other weekend. I myself have been going back to Chaos and other zones for the sole reason that theres usually some gay change, map mod etcc. Maybe nto the majority but hey, heres my 2 cents.

[A_S_S_wipe]

btw, I have dared to "write here again". Why wouldn't I? At least I don't have to use some sort of gimmick account, huh (Kuuk/Kolar). Try using one nick instead of faking input to make it look like 2 different peple. It's jsut a suspicion, I may be wrong, but come on, were entitled to our opinions and I would never ever try to condemn or denigrate a person soley for their opinion or thoughts being different. Post your replies but try to be civil instead of flaming people who disagree with you.

[suxxor]

Try moving those bots to a NONDEFAULT arena, and THEN see if they stay full, such as at 5:00 am when I cant base with a levi because there are only 60 ppl in pubs. Also, you can see that ?go newlev is empty 24/7 despite advertising in green announcement.

I suggest changing all pub settings to a new, less annoying levi, and making ?go oldlev an option. see how many people play there.

don't like that idea? hm. wonder why.

[StarKitty]

Once again, nice going Arilou Lalee'lay

I'm sure it's nice every now and then when staff get a compliment and they get a little satisfaction from their work.

But coming from Tone, i'm guessing poor Ari is cringing at that statement.

[Theif of Time]

kuuk and kolar are different people. -first post ever by kuuk=http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=2287 on the date 12-26-2002, 06:56 PM

first ever post by Kolar:
http://forums.trenchwars.org/showthread.php?t=12484
on the date 07-01-2004, 06:00 PM

Thats quite a gimmick acount there [/sarcasm].
Do your research.

Also, all these changes ARE, in my opinion, being forced upon the population. You may not care, but I and others will be gone once this zones settings become more exclusive to a particular group. That's fine, I'll find eleswhere to turret and have fun. Just don't say we didn't complain when we could, were basically losing settings that have stood the test of time for eyars, and now something is being forced.
I also challenge the "pure pub" bots to be placed outside the default parameters, ie, not pub 0 or next lowest. Then see if they stay full on their own merits, and I will then believe that the ppl in there actually selected it with prior knowledge. Until then, I adamantly refute the pure pub bots popularity, and will not accept anyone's claim that they are popular because they are full.

Ok, so lets theorise here.
theory: Pure Pubs are not popular because they are full.
fact based on my own observational evidence: Pure Pubs, about half the time I am on, have between 30-36 people in them. by contrast, non-pure pubs have from 15-30 (does go lower, some have only 1 or 2) but the largest after the pure pubs is usually at around 25-30.
Fact: Pubs are capped at 36
Fact: More people Base in pure pubs than in non pure pubs.
Fact:PurePubs are more often full than non-pure pubs.
So, it can be deduced that people prefer to base in purepubs over non-pure pubs. Thus pure pubs are popular with people who like to base. Pure Pubs are usually full or almost full, so it can be deduced that they are full of basers, and thus 'popular' as it were, with basers (Pub basers as opposed to the other sort of basers). So we can assume that those who enjoy basing in pub make up a significant proportion of the tw pub population and thus, pure pubs are popular with the tw population. So, pure pubs are popular, but not neccesarily because they are full. They are full because they are popular, not vice versa.

[A_S_S_wipe]

I suggest changing all pub settings to a new, less annoying levi, and making ?go oldlev an option. see how many people play there.

don't like that idea? hm. wonder why

I second that suggestion, so we can be done with the changes and bickering. Your response validates my point that default arenas, where people are herded into by chance and (at night EST) by default, do not verify an assertion that the settings there are popular.
It must be obvious to all that the real reason the levi hasnt been removed or permannently changed is that somehwehre, the levi gods have shone their blue light of guidance upon someone with the authority to authorize their existence. When the cloakers have their way, and blight the mind of that person, then the levi armada will seek new lands in which to rule.
So, really, until then, it's just two camps picketing outside the Abortion clinics, with Trench Wars the clinic, Levis and Lt's the doctors, and cloakers the unwanted embryo.

[Theif of Time]

blatant cloaker bashing! As a weasel advocate I denounce your metaphor as foul and untrustworthy pro-levi propaganda, as levis seem to have been displayed in a good light in that metaphor.

After all, we all know terriers and (now) lancasters are the weasel's worst enemy, not levi's or LT's. A weasel with a rocket can wreck havoc on an unwary LT, so whats that in your metaphor? The unwanted embryo actually being an Alien, and tearing out through the mothers stomach to swallow the leviterr whole, followed by a small burp "Ez".

EDIT: Btw your avatar is sick.

[Kolar]

Pure Publics are not the default arenas. It would be popular in any arena, I get tons of messages and calls to move people out of spec mode all the time. The newlev arena offers people nothing but a public arena without people and withing scores, they wont goto it and we've tried a base/public sub arena game, it failed. The settings are not becomming unwantingly forced on people and not only a small group of people want it done. I don't want publics to be like ?go base with tons of restrictions, I just want to go play the game and not worry about what arena i'm in, I don't want anyone to either because it hurts the game.

You can complain and talk about it on here if you can follow the rules and keep up. We're updating the game not forcing change, the decision wasn't made years ago but now it is, maybe you should have voiced your opinion then or started a logical a calmly debate, you're kinda late now. So even with it being full almost all the time, people calling for a bot to kick AFK players and the number of calls to remove speccers, you still would refute the populatity of basing? Have you even gone and checked how many people actually go in the base? The fact is there are many choices in any arena, pure publics are limited compared to the number of regular ones. Here's a better Idea, make half regular and half Pure Publics, lets see which will win out, I can already with 99.999999999 % predict it but if you want to waste time and bandwidth, FINE.

I'm sure we can see some short term losses but there will always be sub arenas and other zones for you to lame in so don't act like it's the end of the zone when it's one of the bigest minor changes ever made.



I'm not flamming, just getting tired of arguing with people who ignore the real game for laming then when that's threatened they act like we're fucking insane for caring about the zone. Give some kind of logical explinations to your opinions then I'll take you seriously. I'm a baser, I like this zone, I have my own opinions and I've been here for a while so start respecting that and stop acting like I've been brain washed or some crap. BASing is this zone, period.

Edit:My first post was also in 2002 (someone is deleting the older threads) and i'm not Kuuk. I don't see how you got that. Maybe you should try to be more active in this community before you want to make silly accusations and on post here Levi's Advocate.

[Due]

Pure Publics are not the default arenas. It would be popular in any arena, I get tons of messages and calls to move people out of spec mode all the time. The newlev arena offers people nothing but a public arena without people and withing scores, they wont goto it and we've tried a base/public sub arena game, it failed. The settings are not becomming unwantingly forced on people and not only a small group of people want it done. I don't want publics to be like ?go base with tons of restrictions, I just want to go play the game and not worry about what arena i'm in, I don't want anyone to either because it hurts the game.

You can complain and talk about it on here if you can follow the rules and keep up. We're updating the game not forcing change, the decision wasn't made years ago but now it is, maybe you should have voiced your opinion then or started a logical a calmly debate, you're kinda late now. So even with it being full almost all the time, people calling for a bot to kick AFK players and the number of calls to remove speccers, you still would refute the populatity of basing? Have you even gone and checked how many people actually go in the base? The fact is there are many choices in any arena, pure publics are limited compared to the number of regular ones. Here's a better Idea, make half regular and half Pure Publics, lets see which will win out, I can already with 99.999999999 % predict it but if you want to waste time and bandwidth, FINE.

I'm sure we can see some short term losses but there will always be sub arenas and other zones for you to lame in so don't act like it's the end of the zone when it's one of the bigest minor changes ever made.



I'm not flamming, just getting tired of arguing with people who ignore the real game for laming then when that's threatened they act like we're fucking insane for caring about the zone. Give some kind of logical explinations to your opinions then I'll take you seriously. I'm a baser, I like this zone, I have my own opinions and I've been here for a while so start respecting that and stop acting like I've been brain washed or some crap. BASing is this zone, period.

Edit:My first post was also in 2002 (someone is deleting the older threads) and i'm not Kuuk. I don't see how you got that.

just wondering kolar but why do u always have to post such a LARGE "letters"?

"BASing is this zone, period." by mr kolar <zh>

there are still more duelers then basers in TW so it is more a dueling zone then a base zone even trough the pub map is a base