Tats axed - wanna know why

[Ephemeral]

Perhaps somewhere in all of this is something that should be addressed. Staff should be responsible for implementing the rules, not interpreting them. This goes for determining a players lag as well as how to post a zoner.

Why even allow cutesy little sayings in advertisements? I don’t buy into the idea that putting these cutesy phases into the advertisement entices anyone to go play the event. So why not simply use standard advertisements and disallow anyone from ‘personalizing’ them? The objective should be simply to let people know an event is starting, it doesn’t need to be entertaining.

And if it is so important to allow staff the freedom to personalize these things, then develop a set of firm guidelines that define actually what and what not can be published. Surely this is less work than training a staffer, having to go and axe them, and then retraining a new staffer.

As for the ‘Tats Situation’, the community doesn’t lose if we don’t lose the lesson. Sounds like he was doing a fairly good job, but clearly he understood he was on probation and needed to be careful. If someone tells you at work that you have messed up and need to lay low for a while and be careful, that’s what you have to do. You have to be responsible for your own actions and behavior. You agreed after the first incident to do just that, but then you screwed up again. Game, set, match.

[Doc Flabby]

Why even allow cutesy little sayings in advertisements? I don’t buy into the idea that putting these cutesy phases into the advertisement entices anyone to go play the event. So why not simply use standard advertisements and disallow anyone from ‘personalizing’ them? The objective should be simply to let people know an event is starting, it doesn’t need to be entertaining.

I like those phrases - it gives some personallity to the event and adds and emotonal attachment to it that would otherwise not be there which in turn encorages and intreages u to visit the event.

Pure_Luck is too soft - i would have kept the netban - cheating ruins this game for everyone

[Mr. Peanuts]

Yeah, I think PL should toughen up, amongst the many decent staffers are some bad apples.

One word. Streamlining.

[R1pp3r]

He was cheating and then got netbanned? I think when a staffer is cheating it’s a lot more serious than if a regular player is. Shouldn’t staff set a good example or something, instead the ban was lifted and he was allowed back on staff? What does that tell people? A staffer should know the rules and the consequences of cheating. The problem with staff is that you guys are recruiting immature preteen newbies that are obsessed with Subspace and the idea of having a lot of power in the game, and then you go easy on them. There are better staff materials out there which you guys seem to neglect totally.

[Kyace]

Why even allow cutesy little sayings in advertisements? I don’t buy into the idea that putting these cutesy phases into the advertisement entices anyone to go play the event. So why not simply use standard advertisements and disallow anyone from ‘personalizing’ them? The objective should be simply to let people know an event is starting, it doesn’t need to be entertaining.

Next foo event is starting. Type ?go bar to play ?

[Kontrolz]

It should have been as simple as tats being banned for a year like every other player who cheats. He gets banned for a month and is allowed to be a mod again after doing something that clearly (according to SSC staff) warrants a 1 year netban now. That's about as lenient as you can get. Common sense should have stepped in and stopped that zoner from happening.

[Nethila]

Why even allow cutesy little sayings in advertisements? I don’t buy into the idea that putting these cutesy phases into the advertisement entices anyone to go play the event. So why not simply use standard advertisements and disallow anyone from ‘personalizing’ them? The objective should be simply to let people know an event is starting, it doesn’t need to be entertaining.

And if it is so important to allow staff the freedom to personalize these things, then develop a set of firm guidelines that define actually what and what not can be published. Surely this is less work than training a staffer, having to go and axe them, and then retraining a new staffer.

those lil cutesy events are what demonic said that the staff lacks.. humours. Like what many people said in this thread, in this forum, that this is just a game. You dont have to be really serious, thus those funny zoners where made, to lighten things up and advertise for an event at the same time. Personalizing zoners make staffing a bit fun, cause this is a game after all. Thats why no one gets in trouble for making them.. as long as you don't go overboard.

[Tibro]

I'm not going to try to understand why you did it. Lying to get around punishment, hoping PL or Mantra would drop it seems to be a good theory. You lied and you misused your powers, there's no way to spin it Tats so if you have nothing else don't hit reply.

how about shutup dickhead..

now lets see you try and not use reply?

yea didnt think you could resist.

[Tatsumaru uk]

I just want to be clear about the situation of my ban and why it was short.

First of all, i was never netbanned, it was a 30 day ban from trench wars so the upper staff could decide what to do with me.

The 'cheating' was being done by me and two other staffers, in private arenas, mostly appart (differnet times/arenas) and I was just stupid and used it in public to find out what other people saw / if they noticed someone was cheating etc. So the ban was short becuase, although i used it where i shouldn't have, an smod, another staffer and I were allowed to use the cheat. Obviously - not in public, my bad.

[Tibro]

Why even allow cutesy little sayings in advertisements? I don’t buy into the idea that putting these cutesy phases into the advertisement entices anyone to go play the event. So why not simply use standard advertisements and disallow anyone from ‘personalizing’ them? The objective should be simply to let people know an event is starting, it doesn’t need to be entertaining.

agreed! whats next?! people actually having fun in SS? cant let that happen!

i mean comeon everyone, lets get mature over this please, what do you people think this is? some sort of computer game?

[Doc Flabby]

although i used it where i shouldn't have

the place to use it is when u are 20-40 down in a dd :P

Are you allowed to cheat in private arenas then?

Thats the last time i duel someone in a private arena then -_-

[R1pp3r]

I just want to be clear about the situation of my ban and why it was short.

First of all, i was never netbanned, it was a 30 day ban from trench wars so the upper staff could decide what to do with me.

The 'cheating' was being done by me and two other staffers, in private arenas, mostly appart (differnet times/arenas) and I was just stupid and used it in public to find out what other people saw / if they noticed someone was cheating etc. So the ban was short becuase, although i used it where i shouldn't have, an smod, another staffer and I were allowed to use the cheat. Obviously - not in public, my bad.

I wish everyone that cheats could blame it on stupidity, but apparently it only works for staff. Stupidity seems to be one of the hiring requirements.

[Ephemeral]

agreed! whats next?! people actually having fun in SS? cant let that happen!

i mean comeon everyone, lets get mature over this please, what do you people think this is? some sort of computer game?

You guys missed my point. I said that if the cutesy sayings needed to stay, then define what is appropriate or not. Point was that apparently no one wanted to do this work, but would rather spend the time and effort axing and rehiring new staffers.

As for whether or not the cutesy things add humorous value, you have to be kidding me. You guys actually log on thinking, ‘I can’t wait until I see the next humorous ad’, (if I wanted humor, I wouldn’t be looking for it in TW ads). You guys actually think that having simple and informative ads would detract from the game? You have pub chats, private chats, squad chats that can all serve as soap box and vehicle for humor and fun. But you guys insist that staff ads really need to contain humor too? I guess I am confused about who is making what too serious.

[Doc Flabby]

You guys missed my point. I said that if the cutesy sayings needed to stay, then define what is appropriate or not.

TWPS - Create a proposal if it bothers you this much. Personally i couldnt give a shit. As long as events are being hosted im happy

[Kolar]

how about shutup dickhead..

now lets see you try and not use reply?

yea didnt think you could resist.

Fuck off Tibro.


Agreed Eph. It's not Tibro or Tats or even my place to be deciding when and what an advert is used for. Adverting without a game or just for fun doesn't seem to be what upper staff intended RoBoRef and ZonerBot to be used for. They're the ones who set policy. The way Tats and his fans are dealing with this is stupid. You fucked up and cheated, you got your job and powers back then fucked up again and lied. You can't understand your failings. Saving face right now only continues this bullshit and makes kids like Tibro defensive and confused.

I never had a problem with you Tibro or Tats until now, it's just like what Gen said I didn't think giving you full Moderator powers back so soon was a good idea or was a well thought out plan but I hoped you would do well. There's nothing I hate more then people who treat staff in this zone like it's a joke.


Both of you blew this way out of proportion Tibro, it's too fucking inmature. I said if he has nothing worth saying here then just go away, especially if he's not going to drop the issue and just say he fucked up.