POLL: Should Javelins get XRadar back?

[Vehicle]

Yea honestly, when I said that I was joking but you can't seriously think the weasel doesnt have an advantage. Let's make a quick list.

• They are the size of one tile, so they are harder to hit and can fit through the holes in the flagroom.

• They are virtually unseeable by 4 other ships meaning they have free reign to fuck with them.

• They can hold shift for 2 seconds and shoot 3 level 1 bullets faster than the warbird shoots one.

Weasels, before they were resized, were not viable basing tools. They were used by people to kill warbirds on the roof, and to hunt levi's, that's about it. So for all you people who have been playing for less than 2 years (because than you never saw the big weasel,) I really don't think you should be putting in your two cents, because guess what; the settings were better back then than they ever will be again.

[PH]

What does that have to do with balance? That's like saying the settings are unbalanced because only the terrs are attachable.

Except attachability is a key part of the game, whereas slipping through small holes isn't (or at least shouldn't be).

[Troll King]

How can it not be a part of the game if it was an officially sanctioned change made by staff? It wasn't part of the game a few years ago, but it is now. It's like arguing the DH rule in baseball. I'm not saying it's perfect the way it is, but you can't argue that it's not part of the game because the ones who define what the game is are the ones that made the change. It has other flaws; not being part of the game isn't one of them.

You'd could just as well argue that those warbirds flying around in the spawn area killing each other and not basing shouldn't be a part of this game. That has been a bigger problem for a longer time than the new weasels, and it goes directly against the zone's description.

[Richard Creager]

That's like saying the settings are unbalanced because only the terrs are attachable.

Oddly enough...

You'd could just as well argue that those warbirds flying around in the spawn area killing each other and not basing shouldn't be a part of this game.

ODDLY ENOUGH...

[SutterCane]

Yea honestly, when I said that I was joking but you can't seriously think the weasel doesnt have an advantage. Let's make a quick list.

• They are the size of one tile, so they are harder to hit and can fit through the holes in the flagroom.

• They are virtually unseeable by 4 other ships meaning they have free reign to fuck with them.

• They can hold shift for 2 seconds and shoot 3 level 1 bullets faster than the warbird shoots one.

And now the disadvatages:

• The amount of energy, as well as the recharge rate are inferior to all the other ships. With so many javs now in pub, this problem increases greatly.

• The firing of one bullet brings it's health down to almost nothing. Add the slow recharge rate to this, and we have a ship that can shoot once, and is then a sitting duck.

• The speed of the bullet is much slower than most other ships, which puts it at a disadvatage in a dog fight with a faster ship. The bullets can be sped up through use of the afterburner, but this requries careful planning and timing, and isn't something that can always be relied on.

• It's speed is much slower than other ships

What we have here is a list of strengths and weaknesses of the Weasel in comparison to the other ships, in other words, a balance. What you want to do is take away all it's strengths, yet leave all it's weaknesses, rendering the ship pretty much useless. That's exactaly what should be avoided.

Weasels, before they were resized, were not viable basing tools.They were used by people to kill warbirds on the roof, and to hunt levi's, that's about it.

And now they are useful for basing, which considering the purpose of pure pub, is a good thing. It was a change for the better. Why would you want to create a ship that has no use in the game? And really, is a ship with the sole purpose of cloaking WBs any less lame they sneaking into FR to grab flag? People whine a lot more when they are Xed.

So for all you people who have been playing for less than 2 years (because than you never saw the big weasel,) I really don't think you should be putting in your two cents, because guess what; the settings were better back then than they ever will be again.

Well this is arrogance at it's best no? People shouldn't have a say because they have a different opinion as you? Just for the record, I know, and have used the old settings, and I disagree that they were better. The current settings create a much for balanced game, and is probably why they were changed in the first place.

[Doc Flabby]

It was better when the weasels had infinate cloak. Then they could accutally do their job. Laming camping ships (mainly javs). The javs had x-radar to counter this threat, however the x-radar is draining so they cant use it all the time.

[Richard Creager]

sage

[winipcfg]

Right, because having a 1 in 10 chance to sneak a 3 second "hold" on the flag and then be quickly obliterated while said cloakers team is still locked below the entrance is "useful."

It's fun if nothing else. And it pisses other people off. What more could you want?

[Vehicle]

And now the disadvatages:

• The amount of energy, as well as the recharge rate are inferior to all the other ships. With so many javs now in pub, this problem increases greatly.

Not really when you have the ability to be more or less invisible for enough time to escape whatever ship is coming after you.

• The firing of one bullet brings it's health down to almost nothing. Add the slow recharge rate to this, and we have a ship that can shoot once, and is then a sitting duck.

Again, do you really think sitting duck is the right phrase? Let's assume a weasel completly under the guise of cloak and stealth and completly undetectable by the ships around him, misses his shot (sounds believable,) he can now cloak again to excape, pick up a full charge green and kill whoever is chasing him, dodge a bullet because his ship is 1 tile wide, or just run like hell. It's not like the weasel is losing out here.

• The speed of the bullet is much slower than most other ships, which puts it at a disadvatage in a dog fight with a faster ship. The bullets can be sped up through use of the afterburner, but this requries careful planning and timing, and isn't something that can always be relied on.

The fact that it is 1/2 the size than every other ship puts it at an extreme advantage to every other ship, there is no arguing that.

What we have here is a list of strengths and weaknesses of the Weasel in comparison to the other ships, in other words, a balance. What you want to do is take away all it's strengths, yet leave all it's weaknesses, rendering the ship pretty much useless. That's exactaly what should be avoided.

Strengths of the weasel ship:
Cloak
Stealth
Thrust
Thrust-bulleting (we should make up a new internet vocabulary word for this)
It's size

I only want to take away the bottom 2, so I would have to say, it would still be pretty balanced; because guess what, 3 years ago when it was like this, no one complained. (they complained about the levi's.)

And now they are useful for basing, which considering the purpose of pure pub, is a good thing. It was a change for the better. Why would you want to create a ship that has no use in the game? And really, is a ship with the sole purpose of cloaking WBs any less lame they sneaking into FR to grab flag? People whine a lot more when they are Xed.

Sending a cloaker in to restart the timer is downright retarded, so i'm not even going to adress this point.

Well this is arrogance at it's best no? People shouldn't have a say because they have a different opinion as you? Just for the record, I know, and have used the old settings, and I disagree that they were better. The current settings create a much for balanced game, and is probably why they were changed in the first place.

When the majority of the people polled have a different opinion than yours than no it's not called arrogance, it's called direct democracy.

[Fluffz]

are you nuts? of course people complained about the old weasel. in fact, they were way more useful and dangerous in base. and luckily this game is not a democracy but a dictatorship.

if you think this new weasel is any good you must have never played it. at basing i can easily reach a 2:1 rec in jav and i barely play it, but i have a hard time to keep a 1:1 record in weasel. so much for balance. weasel is the hardest basing ship, followed by sharks. you cant hunt the terr anymore either because it is so slow, unless the terr gets bored and plays with you. you cant hunt campers anymore because it is too slow for wbs and the rest has xradar. all you can do with this shit ship is lame around because entering base is suicide.

it needs back its repel and rocket, or a portal. take away multifire. why the hell does an assassine ship need multifire? and make it big.

[Vehicle]

are you nuts? of course people complained about the old weasel. in fact, they were way more useful and dangerous in base. and luckily this game is not a democracy but a dictatorship.

it needs back its repel and rocket, or a portal. take away multifire. why the hell does an assassine ship need multifire? and make it big.

That is the old cloaker bro.

[Fluffz]

exactly

[Blueblaze]

Bring back the old X and the Xradar to go with it. Its a matching pair, can't live without both together.

[Zonk!]

look, as far as i am concerned, the weasel could have a maximum energy of 1 and no recharge rate whatsoever. the fact that it kills people who have no chance to defend themselves is so annoying and that it should not be part of the game.

the weasel has the ability to TRUMP any ship without x-radar. it is impossible to beat something you cant see.

imagine you have 1000 bounty in warbird. you killed hundreds of people to get to this point. you own everyone. a cloaker named azn_d00d_1995 kills you (calling you an ez newb). how do you feel? the biggest newb in the game just killed the best one out there because there was nothing you could do to defend against it.

this illustrates the inherent lameness of the weasel. any newbie can kill anyone with the weasel regardless of how much more they suck and deserve to lose. this is totally unfair, considering the context of this game, which is to have a fun and fair competition.

And what if I'm just a lanc minding my own business when a blue dot comes flying at me 5x faster than I can hope to fly to escape...BOOM! I'm dead and only had a brief moment to even see what was coming. Better get rid of Lev Terrs!

Here I am as a Shark flying around and oh no! Mr.Guy who happens to be flying a warbird and has hunted me down 50 times in a row now saw me and is chasing me...after my repels I'm done for...Better make it so warbirds cant fire at sharks.

Considering HALF the ships have x radar, the unskilled X will probably take one shot at you, hit or miss, and die soon after because of low energy/inability to stay cloaked while escaping, ANYTHING kills an X, and all it would take in a team game is the SLIGHTEST team play to remove any serious x threat...come on.

All you are doing is WHINING. So ONE OR TWO ships cannot detect cloaked ships...that is the only weakness in the case of the warbird. I'm telling you, soon, levis will be nerfed because of their bombs being too powerful. Then Javs. Then no bursts. Then no attaching. It will all just be one big warbird orgy in the center of the arena, and finally all the 14 year olds will have nothing to curse and swear about.

[PH]

stfu ******