An interesting conversation with Mootland about Pub I would like you to read.

[Kontrolz]

That stubborn attitude regarding any changes is what will eventually kill this zone.

Especially seeing how other changes have already been made that have hurt the public arenas.

[HeavenSent]

I like the new pub map. Let's BD with it! B)

[Hero*]

a lot of players don't go to pub and say 'omg lets get base!!' When i play i just go around shooting people in spawn, doing some roof shots, camping in the middle bar area. however sometimes its fun to get base but lets be realistic. When a new person comes to TW and they go into pub, they wont know what to do. they're just going to shoot everyone near them and not realize how to base or what the base is or what that ball is in the middle of the base. go moooooot do ur shit, fuck sumpson and promoting more people into basing. All 3 leagues should some how be incorporated in pub

[Sumpson]

a lot of players don't go to pub and say 'omg lets get base!!' When i play i just go around shooting people in spawn, doing some roof shots, camping in the middle bar area. however sometimes its fun to get base but lets be realistic. When a new person comes to TW and they go into pub, they wont know what to do. they're just going to shoot everyone near them and not realize how to base or what the base is or what that ball is in the middle of the base.


go moooooot do ur shit, fuck sumpson and promoting more people into basing. All 3 leagues should some how be incorporated in pub

I totally agree with the first part.
I think what moot is doing is shit. I rather not fuck moot. Actually moot is all about promoting people into basing, so am I, but in a different way. To not get people fool around but have a clear goal and have a competitive gameplay basing needs to be going on in the pub.

[D1st0rt]

ITT Sumpson comes off as a jackass

Basically what I remember from the hugeass public thread you made in the dev forums your idea promoted basing by not really letting people do anything else, which is what publics are all about. Plus I'm never a huge fan of people who want to solve problems by patching it with some super ultrabot when (imo) they could address the underlying issues in other ways.

MY ALLEGIANCE IS TO MOOT o/

[Darkmoor]

Especially seeing how other changes have already been made that have hurt the public arenas.

Yeah, well... true. But it has to be changed somehow at least.

[Sumpson]

Basically what I remember from the hugeass public thread you made in the dev forums your idea promoted basing by not really letting people do anything else, which is what publics are all about. Plus I'm never a huge fan of people who want to solve problems by patching it with some super ultrabot when (imo) they could address the underlying issues in other ways.

MY ALLEGIANCE IS TO MOOT o/

Wrong, I suggested an idea which would make people want to base or atleast try to, not force at all.
Im not a huge fan of people who want to solve problems by forcing people to play in a different way they are used to, I actually hate it and its what Moot is doing (by changing the map/shipsettings) while he could adress the underlying issue in other ways.

I don't understand why you said what you did, I guess it's because of the alliance to moot.

Please don't look at my attitude towards this or how you feel about me but the arguments altho its very hard.

[Mootland Farmer]

You can call me what you want Sumpson, but it doesn't change the fact that there are several fundamental flaws with Publics at the moment. They being the Leviathan and the Weasel. It will not matter if you put a bot into Publics, Leviathans will still be Leviathans and kill basing. That is why I am trying so very hard to find a compromise that both sides will like. It is people like you Sumpson who sit in ?go base all day and come up with these ideas that let me take over the reins in Public Development. The Weasel should not be a ship dueling Warbirds and Terriers. It should be an assassin.

I created the Public Committee for a reason. Basing is the key in Publics, but like I have stated here and in the Zone Objectives, other methods of play will still be allowed. You seem to think a bot will magically fix everything, but guess what, it won't. This is going nowhere, and I should have better things than respond to your ignorance.

[dads revenge]

I'm going back to windows 3.0 and gonna try and load media player 11 cause it will make windows 3.0 better cause change is bad <--sarcasm

[Sumpson]

Mootland, you talk in a good manner, which to some may sound wise, but your arguments are bullshit.

"You can call me what you want Sumpson, but it doesn't change the fact that there are several fundamental flaws with Publics at the moment."

What do you want to accomplish by solving these flaws? and why is it not possible with the bot I proposed? your arguments have been "it's just a bot"

"They being the Leviathan and the Weasel. It will not matter if you put a bot into Publics,"

Why will it not matter if you put a bot into publics?

"Leviathans will still be Leviathans and kill basing."

Oh right, well if you would put a bot which doesn't allow levi's they would not kill basing for example so bots can be very effective. Anyway, having 1 levi per freq would not kill the basing, it would make the levi's be worth something because there will be basing going on while people play levi too.

"That is why I am trying so very hard to find a compromise that both sides will like."

I don't believe Lev players would like to have their ship changed, I do believe levi's would like to have a chance at killing a base full of players.

"It is people like you Sumpson who sit in ?go base all day and come up with these ideas that let me take over the reins in Public Development."

Like I said before, there is a reason I don't play Pub, because it is not competitive. I have much experience in this game, have played many different zones and also owned my own zone, I noticed how the change of shipsettings have never made a zone more populair. (DSB, SW)

"The Weasel should not be a ship dueling Warbirds and Terriers. It should be an assassin."

I have no idea why you are saying this, doesn't make sence to me. but if you say something like this, use arguments which tell why it is a problem and how to solve it.

"I created the Public Committee for a reason. Basing is the key in Publics, but like I have stated here and in the Zone Objectives, other methods of play will still be allowed."

You are trying to force people playing your way, with my bot you would guide people and attract people to play basing. (except for the levi part, but this is not allowed in pure pub at all now)


"You seem to think a bot will magically fix everything,"

I have used arguments why it will fix things.

"but guess what, it won't."

I haven't heard a single good reason from you why it does not.

"This is going nowhere, and I should have better things than respond to your ignorance."

Perhaps you should quit minding the matter of Pub yes.

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Dad's I'm not sure if your trying to be funny or trying to be stupid, I do want changes, but I don't want to ruin the game for others.

A better relevation would be I have a "qwerty" keyboard but let's change to a keyboard which goes like the alphabet, it makes more sence and is thus better. People will not like it because they are used to the "qwerty" keyboard.

[Stultus]

ITT Sumpson comes off as a jackass

ldsmile:

[Darkmoor]

Sumpson,

The problem is that you want, with the help of this bot, to change the publics into another ?go base look-a-like. In your first post you say that you do not believe that levis and basing have co-existed before. Maybe you should ask around what the action was back then, because that is where the publics should try to be again.

In addition, the bot will not solve:
1) The problems created by tweaking the ship settings over the years.
2) The fact that the public map is outdated. At least a better looking map is necessary.
3) It will not promote playing in publics, just ?go base basing in publics. This is also something that the public committee should look more into. Mootland said that they want to promote basing as well, when the goal should be more to promote playing in publics.

[Sumpson]

Hmm you call it a ?go base look-a-like.. whats with the current pub game? is it the best flagging game? if so, it should be in base/twlb/twbd, I think the ?go base flagging game is the best. And don't see why it would not work in Pub.

Well I don't think levi's and competitive basing has happened before, however this doesn't matter much, it does not happen now, I don't think you will please the public by changing the settings even tho the new settings would be better.

In addition, the bot will not solve:
1) The problems created by tweaking the ship settings over the years.

I think the problems are the change of ship settings itself, it just needs to stop.

2) The fact that the public map is outdated. At least a better looking map is necessary.

yeah I agree, a better looking map doesn't hurt anyone, however changing possition of tiles wouldn't be good, players like the possitions they have learnt and don't want them go to waste.

3) It will not promote playing in publics, just ?go base basing in publics. This is also something that the public committee should look more into. Mootland said that they want to promote basing as well, when the goal should be more to promote playing in publics.

How to promote playing in publics? I believe the only right way is by making it competitive, this is what I try.

[Kontrolz]

Hmm you call it a ?go base look-a-like.. whats with the current pub game? is it the best flagging game? if so, it should be in base/twlb/twbd, I think the ?go base flagging game is the best. And don't see why it would not work in Pub.

It wont work in pub because in go base there really aren't ever any new players playing and if they are they get subbed as soon as possible. You always have captains who pick the players.

To get basing action like go base you'd have to force newer players (which is where bots come in) to base, which as we all know and as others have alraedy stated, they don't want to do. Guess what, if you force a player to do something they don't find fun (at least yet) they will go play a different zone, or even worse, a different game.

The goal should be to not need bots to patch up settings flaws at all. The settings should naturally make the majority of fun and competition happen in and around the base but not force it so that other players who don't want to base aren't forced to.

[Sumpson]

With the bot you would not force players to base, you would add a clear goal to the game and guide players to play base.

I think players will base if they know what to do, and can make a goal for themselves, like for example I want to have MVP, I want to have 5kills a minute this game. Those kind of goals make me want to base, and those kind of goals can be in Pub too.

There is nothing wrong with the ship settings, it's the reason why Trench Wars is the most populair zone. The thing which makes Pub boring is that the goal in it is not good enough. The ship settings is the only fun at the moment in Pub.

Anyway, the bot has been questioned before, and it was agreed on, someone is supposed to create it. I do believe it is a bad thing to change the map/ship settings and unneccesery.