An interesting conversation with Mootland about Pub I would like you to read.

[Tigron-X]

OK, I've read this entire thread. And, I was agreeing with Sumpson a lot in terms of promoting basing in Pubs, and most likely because I love basing. So I already had the same perspectice as he did coming in here.

However, I never realized that making one pub a Pure-Pub might have turned TW into a game that only promotes basing until just now. Because, all the action eventually goes to the first Pub on the list. It has in the past, so why would that change now? And does that mean people want basing? Probably not, but that's all there is now with out waiting on games to start in other maps or events to be hosted. So yes, in a sense, people are forced to base until something else happens. And that's wrong.

In other words, players don't have a choice anymore beyond basing except to go to elim, baseelim, ?go base, or other maps, but then you have to wait to play. And, that sucks.

See... the best thing about playing in Pubs has always been that you don't have to wait to play. You can go into a Pub and be whatever ship you want, when you want, and play like you want to play without any hasstle from anyone. You don't have to be an allstar wb, jav, baser, and so on to enjoy TW's ship settings. You just hit esc+# and enjoy TW. (Also, with that said, no limiting ships per freq either.)

Anyhow.... so, ever since Pure-Pub came along, all people have been allowed to do is base, and that has killed the massive free-for-all that everyone use to enjoy. Basically, the massive free-for-all provided a little bit of competitive basing, a little bit of lt'ing, and a lot of spawning. And I think because of that, it branched out into what became elim, TWD, ?go base, and so on. And that's what's awesome about TW. You find what you like and then expand into the competitvness associated with that ship; whether it be basing or dueling. And I think that's what everyone loves about TW. However, Pure-Pub seems to have turned TW into only basing. At least that's what I'm understanding from reading this thread.


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BTW, I don't understand what the issue is with the Weasels. I like the whole idea that they're like assassins. That was the first thing I realized when they were made small. So, the message is there. What's the problem with the ship the way it is now?


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And to address Sumpsons concern of promoting basing, why don't we make a map with Pure-Pub like settings? And advertise it in some way?

I mean, we can all agree that ?go base is a bit elitist, so it fails to promote basing. In other words, it doesn't compare with elim's or baseelim's ability to promote dueling. So all in all, it seems like the underlining probelm that we face here is finding a way for TW to promote basing without destorying the massive free-for-all in Pubs because dueling is already covered.

So, what about a new map that promotes basing that isn't a Pub?

I don't know what Sumpson's bot idea provided, but maybe it can be used there?

[Sumpson]

The only map which could promote basing is the map currently used in TW for basing, changing the map would rip the basing scene apart. I don't want to play a different game, and I believe there's many others with me in the basing scene.

The way I want it to be, you can do anything you like in pub.
The way pure pub is you can do anything you like.

However, the difference there with my idea and the pure pub is, my idea allows 1 levi a freq, pure pub allows no levi.

My thread summary:

To promote basing we need to get rid of the levi?

"yes we do, we gotta change it, can't base with the current levi"

"it is possible to play basing with levi's around, but not with tons of levi's, 1 levi a freq allows basing."

"no change needed, let players play whatever they like, however we need to promote basing"

I believe the first step to promote basing would be to implement the time race game with scores/MVP at end.
I think this will get pubs more competitive, and when being more competitive, levi's will be a lesser problem.

[bkgmjo]

OK, I've read this entire thread. And, I was agreeing with Sumpson a lot in terms of promoting basing in Pubs, and most likely because I love basing. So I already had the same perspectice as he did coming in here.

However, I never realized that making one pub a Pure-Pub might have turned TW into a game that only promotes basing until just now. Because, all the action eventually goes to the first Pub on the list. It has in the past, so why would that change now? And does that mean people want basing? Probably not, but that's all there is now with out waiting on games to start in other maps or events to be hosted. So yes, in a sense, people are forced to base until something else happens. And that's wrong.

In other words, players don't have a choice anymore beyond basing except to go to elim, baseelim, ?go base, or other maps, but then you have to wait to play. And, that sucks.

See... the best thing about playing in Pubs has always been that you don't have to wait to play. You can go into a Pub and be whatever ship you want, when you want, and play like you want to play without any hasstle from anyone. You don't have to be an allstar wb, jav, baser, and so on to enjoy TW's ship settings. You just hit esc+# and enjoy TW. (Also, with that said, no limiting ships per freq either.)

Anyhow.... so, ever since Pure-Pub came along, all people have been allowed to do is base, and that has killed the massive free-for-all that everyone use to enjoy. Basically, the massive free-for-all provided a little bit of competitive basing, a little bit of lt'ing, and a lot of spawning. And I think because of that, it branched out into what became elim, TWD, ?go base, and so on. And that's what's awesome about TW. You find what you like and then expand into the competitvness associated with that ship; whether it be basing or dueling. And I think that's what everyone loves about TW. However, Pure-Pub seems to have turned TW into only basing. At least that's what I'm understanding from reading this thread.


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BTW, I don't understand what the issue is with the Weasels. I like the whole idea that they're like assassins. That was the first thing I realized when they were made small. So, the message is there. What's the problem with the ship the way it is now?


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And to address Sumpsons concern of promoting basing, why don't we make a map with Pure-Pub like settings? And advertise it in some way?

I mean, we can all agree that ?go base is a bit elitist, so it fails to promote basing. In other words, it doesn't compare with elim's or baseelim's ability to promote dueling. So all in all, it seems like the underlining probelm that we face here is finding a way for TW to promote basing without destorying the massive free-for-all in Pubs because dueling is already covered.

So, what about a new map that promotes basing that isn't a Pub?

I don't know what Sumpson's bot idea provided, but maybe it can be used there?

i really agree with you there. a pub has to be for the pub and not limit players in their options. all specialized stuff has to be an event. because that really is no public anymore. and it does not always have to be the same. if we have so many ppl who love ?go base...may it stay 24/7. i dont really care as long as there are still people in pubs. but we have so many other basing maps that could all be hosted too, i just barely see that. just the standard lame boring "next elim game" "basing starting" and "xy has a run in ?go duel" ads all the time. if finally something gets hosted it is the same worn out stuff that everyone can already play with closed eyes. i dont really know why it has to be like that if there is so many volunteers for hosting events. and also i dont get why a game like ?go starcon that was damn crowded years ago gets hosted while the host has no clue at all that there is a bot neccessary for it. and after finally finding that nonexistant bot cant find anyone that tells him how it works. nice idea to host something you were asked for, but i wouldnt mind some stafftraining on things like that. im taking the starcon example because it already happened like 10 times to me, the hosts dont know how to host...and then you get disconnected all the time because of that 5-death disconnect rule(that i think is the worst idea put into the game ever since not idle players in a ship block the pubs but specs do).the last time i saw it hosted the way it is supposed to be was years ago.

to your idea of the pure pub as an event. i said the same in another thread i think, even tho i dont belive it would get that much attention anymore after people get used to play pubs with levis again. i would like to see the old basing weekends coming back though.

the thing with the weasel is.... it does not really fit into teaming. you know me as L O V E and u know i always play that ship. but even tho i love it, and love to duel with it, hunt lancs and terrs that are supposed to hunt me, it is a loner, can defend itself against everything, even other cloaks. going into the basing action with other ships than other weasels and a terr is useless. one shrap or a bomb a little too close and u go boom at once. it is only good for hit and run tactics at base. and terrs really dont have the time to give out a warning anymore. when i rush into base cloaked i get my first kill before someone can even read the warning, when 3 cloaks rush base the half base is killed before people get what is happening. for the whole basing thing it would be great if it was slower but then again it is way too weak outside. thats why i think the old weasel how it was was the best choice to have a fair deal between the bonus of cloaking and the lack of attacking power. maybe give it a little faster shots than it originally had but thats it. the only thing you really have to change when you make weasels big again is the lancs radar tho.

[Tigron-X]

The only map which could promote basing is the map currently used in TW for basing, changing the map would rip the basing scene apart. I don't want to play a different game, and I believe there's many others with me in the basing scene.

I meant like making an arena that promotes basing. One that's better at promoting basing than ?go base. Keep ?go base, but have something that doesn't limit people to being picked.

[Sumpson]

like ?go javs for ?go baseelim ?

pubs should be like that for ?go base

[Tigron-X]

like ?go javs for ?go baseelim ?

exactly!

pubs should be like that for ?go base

Why? I don't think it should because TW isn't all about basing. So, by making Pubs conform to just basing, then that in turn undermines everything else TW has to offer.

[Sumpson]

Ok well then you're saying pub is fine and everyone should be messing around in it. I would like it to have a goal, what other goal to set in pub beside basing? oh wait.. King Of the Hill might be good beside all the basing attraction.