How to fix the zone.

[Troll King]

We are losing people because there is none to very little staff presence in pubs where 98% of all the new players that enter the game stay and try to make head or tails of the game play.

We don't lose many because of players in pub, we lose it becuase the fact any new player coming into the game look for staff, that's whom every new player thinks of when trying to learn and or under stand the game at hand. Be it TW to WOW.

I disagree with that completely. When new players come into the zone, they aren't looking for help from staff, they ask for help from anyone in general. They have questions and they want answers; they don't care if it comes from staff or from regular players. It's like when you go to your first day at a new school and you need help finding your way around. Do you look around specifically for a teacher to help you, or would you just ask someone at random who looks like he might know his way around?

If a new player asks for help and doesn't receive it, he doesn't think "the staff in this zone isn't helpful at all", he thinks "no one here can help me at all".

[Mootland Farmer]

Zh should be the ones involved more, and it doesn't take a 'better' player to give out the basic information to a new player as they ask it in "blue pub chat" Anyone with basic knowledge can do that as well. I do see it happen.
But pushing that on to every day players and using that as a scape goat is clearly wrong. If you don't want do to your job you agreed to take and not get paid for. Why you here? <- directed not just at you Moot everyone as a whole.

I have had alot of roles in my four years and counting, of staff, and yes, they all involved helping Trench Wars. As I have stated multiple times above, Staff and players should be helping newer players. Staff should not just be on this alone, nor am I trying to make the players a scapegoat. How you figure that out, from what I'm typing is beyond belief.

We are losing people because there is none to very little staff presence in pubs where 98% of all the new players that enter the game stay and try to make head or tails of the game play.

There are other factors, such as an aging community, other games/interests that affect Trench Wars population. Solely blaming staff for a decline in population makes it look like you're the one with the scapegoat problem.

We don't lose many because of players in pub, we lose it becuase the fact any new player coming into the game look for staff, that's whom every new player thinks of when trying to learn and or under stand the game at hand. Be it TW to WOW.

Disagreed. When I first played Trench Wars, I looked to the players. Not Staff. I saw players LTIng and Dueling, so that's what I did.

[Heroin Bob]

Trench Wars can do much better than it has done in the past 3 years or so..... we need to give our new players somthing to strive for, being a squad captain i try to keep my squad of the best social and skilled players, giving all a chance to try for somthing better

i am currently incorporating a more public presense with my current roster and working with the newly evolving STONERZ who are going to be an integral part in the new trenchwars, being one of the old squads of recognition. they will along with Paladen play an essential part in the new trenchwars system, we need to give players a reason to leave pub and push their own limits to accquire somting great, and im sorry, having 4985985 people host zombies is not going to do it


my ideas, get top squads to play in pub more often, i wish we could make veterans as a whole nicer to new players, but they will not do that until they see our zone's liveability or what have you, relies on our zones public attendance, get our ZH's and our smods in pubs, in ship please, playing and goofing off, whether it be coordinating attacks or blasting it up in wb / weasle.

we need to show an example to new playrs. pub settings are not the problem, the problem is we do not put forht an effort in TW to keep new players around, we as veterans on the other hand push them away, it is up to us to keep our player base active, and every tim we push some one away it is another nail in the coffin.


therefore as the leader of Paladen i will do my best to encourage all public players to strive for more skill, more "political" power, and overall fun in all arenas my squad mates are in, thsi will be enforced with an iron fist at first until my members understand the role they are playing.

[Oen Izan]

I disagree with that completely. When new players come into the zone, they aren't looking for help from staff, they ask for help from anyone in general. They have questions and they want answers; they don't care if it comes from staff or from regular players. It's like when you go to your first day at a new school and you need help finding your way around. Do you look around specifically for a teacher to help you, or would you just ask someone at random who looks like he might know his way around?

If a new player asks for help and doesn't receive it, he doesn't think "the staff in this zone isn't helpful at all", he thinks "no one here can help me at all".

TK this isn't school, it's an online game, so some of the logic doesn't apply. Yes they will but to give staff better credibility and respectibility, they need to make themself not so transparent. Is where I am going with that. Pubs where we get new blood, we also lose it there when Staff whom is the supreme ruler isn't seen.

[Heroin Bob]

I'm sure in your 8 years of playing you could have spared 20minutes? I also agreed that Staff should be involved with new players, but I think you proved in your post above, that the reason we are losing competition, is also the fact that the 'better' players aren't willing to help.

i am willing to help, obviously from my previous posts, event ideas that are not given a serious thought from staff due to hatred towards myself....


i am in pub daily and will be in pub two, (i love priv freq) the exact moment trench server has m80s set to it, i hope its not for many many years to come. i want to help, i help new playrs, let me in on what i can do, and take me effing seriously after almost 9 years of Trench gaming. it would be cute instead of being dished to the side....


you complain about staff having to much blame put on them, but when "veterans" that oyu want to help players try to work with you we are dished out like liver and onions, honestly make up your mind and work with us or against us, like it or not "staff" means its your job to make stuff work, with or without player help, so stop tossing off the help some of us try to offer like it is hot cakes if your going to say we dont do anything. i take high offense to most of the trash you talk about veterans in this clause.

[Oen Izan]

Zh should be the ones involved more, and it doesn't take a 'better' player to give out the basic information to a new player as they ask it in "blue pub chat" Anyone with basic knowledge can do that as well. I do see it happen.
But pushing that on to every day players and using that as a scape goat is clearly wrong. If you don't want do to your job you agreed to take and not get paid for. Why you here? <- directed not just at you Moot everyone as a whole.

I have had alot of roles in my four years and counting, of staff, and yes, they all involved helping Trench Wars. As I have stated multiple times above, Staff and players should be helping newer players. Staff should not just be on this alone, nor am I trying to make the players a scapegoat. How you figure that out, from what I'm typing is beyond belief.

I am not puttin ya work down as staff, but Staff are the ones that should be doing the most to help, thats why they accepted the free non paid job. I said you're making a scape goat by saying that the public are the ones declining the game by not helping new players. Helping the people of this game is your *staff* one of many purpose's in this game. Not the random pubber. Believe me they do help ,I have and I have seen countless others do it.


We are losing people because there is none to very little staff presence in pubs where 98% of all the new players that enter the game stay and try to make head or tails of the game play.

There are other factors, such as an aging community, other games/interests that affect Trench Wars population. Solely blaming staff for a decline in population makes it look like you're the one with the scapegoat problem.

age yes other games possible, but people play more then one game. I am not soley blaming staff. But staff have the ability to keep new players here by showing respect and helping them. People look up to them. And by then doing there job, You join staff to help the game succeed, you play a game to help yourself succeed and become the best at it. Staff should do that as well.

We don't lose many because of players in pub, we lose it becuase the fact any new player coming into the game look for staff, that's whom every new player thinks of when trying to learn and or under stand the game at hand. Be it TW to WOW.

Disagreed. When I first played Trench Wars, I looked to the players. Not Staff. I saw players LTIng and Dueling, so that's what I did.

on ya last point, why did you look to the players? seen no staff members?

[Oen Izan]

i am willing to help, obviously from my previous posts, event ideas that are not given a serious thought from staff due to hatred towards myself....


i am in pub daily and will be in pub two, (i love priv freq) the exact moment trench server has m80s set to it, i hope its not for many many years to come. i want to help, i help new playrs, let me in on what i can do, and take me effing seriously after almost 9 years of Trench gaming. it would be cute instead of being dished to the side....


you complain about staff having to much blame put on them, but when "veterans" that oyu want to help players try to work with you we are dished out like liver and onions, honestly make up your mind and work with us or against us, like it or not "staff" means its your job to make stuff work, with or without player help, so stop tossing off the help some of us try to offer like it is hot cakes if your going to say we dont do anything. i take high offense to most of the trash you talk about veterans in this clause.

here here *slaps mallet down*, court is adjoined till after I take a nap.

[Money]

You made alot of sense.

Deans dont listen to recommendations anymore as they used to in the past, and they recruit alot of their own friends, which in the end doesnt turn out to be the best choice. That's 1 problem on the hosting situation.

Not gonna say more, but there's alot of things to fix and only few willing.

lol this guy is so far up staffs ass, man, sry it just amazes me

[Shadowmere]

lol this guy is so far up staffs ass, man, sry it just amazes me

And you sure make yourself look like a moron.. Although I'm pretty sure it's not only looking like a moron.

Ward if you got nothing smart to say just leave it. Same to you Money. You two are challenging even me in idiotism.

[Troll King]

TK this isn't school, it's an online game, so some of the logic doesn't apply. Yes they will but to give staff better credibility and respectibility, they need to make themself not so transparent. Is where I am going with that. Pubs where we get new blood, we also lose it there when Staff whom is the supreme ruler isn't seen.

I guess you missed the point of the analogy, as well as the rest of the post. The logic does apply though. We're looking at an audience primarily made up of teenagers. When they want some help, teenagers are more likely to seek it from someone they consider to be a peer, not someone in a position of authority. Given the choice of asking for help from someone in staff or from regular people around them, they will likely go to the latter.

Staff does need to be less transparent, but that doesn't apply at the stage when people are getting a feel for the zone.

[KiAN]

If people want there to be more good squads, why not jsut make squad roster like 25 or something? Therefore the squads with more than that, will have to make another. Might not make ALOT of very good squads, but would surely get twd moving along, and being active.

[Mootland Farmer]

Ok

[Hurricane]

Here is a perfect way to possibly bring the hype back like it has been mentioned in my thread and this one i am guessing it kind of backs up with kthx is saying, the zone is way to automated for the amount of people playing nowadays. we need to kill the tourny bot the javduel bot and the wb duel bot and bring more <ER>'s in to host these things from time to time rather then logging in and typing ?go tourny to go play your tournament. this would bring back the interaction with staff and also would make events more special to be played rather then using it all the time.

[Toasty]

It shouldn't BE unrealistic. So many people are complaining about the state of the zone and want to see something done to improve it. If that's the case then they should do something about it. It shouldn't take a 20 minute effort, and a lot of it can come just from cooperative gameplay, and maybe some team chat.

That last point is a major difference between today's game and that from a few years ago. People don't talk in yellow chat any more. All you see is blue text full of trash talking and other garbage.

It is unrealistic to help every new player who enters Trench Wars. We need to develop a better system to allowing new players to play this game, which I think is more possible then helping every new player. I mean, how many people, who read the forums, are willing to sit in spec/play in a pub and wait for someone to ask for help?

However, I totally agree with your last point. Some people in Trench Wars rarely talk in blue/yellow. This is seriously increasing the gap between good and bad players. In many other zones, you could see that the most good and bad players could converse at some level. But in Trench Wars it is really non existant.

[Troll King]

People are making it out to be some extraordinary effort. I'm not saying we should all en masse sit in spec in pubs to welcome each and every new player that comes in. It doesn't take a 15-20 minute discussion to teach new players how to play. Did anyone here, when they started playing, receive a personal tutorial from some random player like that? No. People get the hang of this game very easily; it's just the finer, less intuitive details that raise the questions from new players.

Just play and answer some questions that appear every now and then. There are enough people who know the answers to the most common questions that new players ask that it's far more realistic to expect someone, anyone in general, to be able to answer them than to expect only staff, and thus by definition a much smaller percent of the people, to take care of it.

I always try to answer questions like "how do you fire those red balls?" or "how does that red ship fire those three bullet thingys?" when I see them on pub chat, and it doesn't take away much from my gameplay.

Much of this particular tangent is stemming from Oen's claim that "any new player coming into the game look for staff, that's whom every new player thinks of when trying to learn and or under stand the game at hand". That's just BS. If you ask people who tries this game and decides not to stick around, a "lack of staff presence" wouldn't be in the top five reasons they leave. To say that this zone is failing because staff can't provide that help is ignoring the fact that they aren't the only ones who can, or should.